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SIESA: AKA, the "Anti-Porn" bill

Postby Ameriganastan » Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:59 pm

So, we're doing this again. The newest Puritan ploy out there under the guise of removing porn but really censoring the internet for corporate interest is named SIESA. As helpfully displayed by this nice lady on Twitter, we're just not talking like real porn and such. If you get your jollies drawing some good lewdness, happen to run an art site that allows NSFW stuff and so on and so forth, they're gunning for you too.

I know these anti-porn bills come along a lot, but I'm always fearful one is gonna finally win. Especially with how prudish the internet is being forced to be, ala what happened on Tumblr.

And yes, some of you are probably laughing at me getting riled up over them going after porn. But it's also just blatant censorship of free expression.

So, I pass it over to y'all. What do you think of all this?
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Postby Drongonia » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:02 pm

I support this. Porn rots the brain and degeneracy such as this isn't true freedom of expression, that's just a load of cringeworthy American liberalism. Expression of what? Smut? Give me a break lmao.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:04 pm

Americans like porn too much. Tell the puritan to migrate back to 1693 and mind her own business.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:04 pm

Drongonia wrote:I support this. Porn rots the brain and degeneracy such as this isn't true freedom of expression, that's just a load of cringeworthy American liberalism. Expression of what? Smut? Give me a break lmao.


Imagine telling people what they can and can't watch in their own private life. I bet the war on porn would be as much of a waste of time as the war on drugs.
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Postby Disgraces » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:06 pm

Preposterous.

Drongonia wrote:I support this. Porn rots the brain and degeneracy such as this isn't true freedom of expression, that's just a load of cringeworthy American liberalism. Expression of what? Smut? Give me a break lmao.

Also preposterous.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:06 pm

Drongonia wrote:I support this. Porn rots the brain

Using technical terms, I see.
and degeneracy such as this isn't true freedom of expression, that's just a load of cringeworthy American liberalism. Expression of what? Smut? Give me a break lmao.

Well, yes. Sexuality. What's so bad about that?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:06 pm

Istrialmatia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Imagine telling people what they can and can't watch in their own private life. I bet the war on porn would be as much of a waste of time as the war on drugs.

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Imagine arguing using memes. Nice try, why don't you actually explain how a war on porn wouldn't be more of a waste of federal funds and time than the war on drugs
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Postby Ameriganastan » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:08 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Drongonia wrote:I support this. Porn rots the brain and degeneracy such as this isn't true freedom of expression, that's just a load of cringeworthy American liberalism. Expression of what? Smut? Give me a break lmao.


Imagine telling people what they can and can't watch in their own private life. I bet the war on porn would be as much of a waste of time as the war on drugs.

Exactly. I mean politicians are some of the most morally bankrupt people in America, and they think that can pass bills trying to enforce standards they themselves don't follow. It's complete hypocrisy.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:10 pm

I think porn is the most beautiful artistic content in the world. Opposition to art means opposing civilization. I wonder if those against porn show the same antagonism in wars
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Postby Nakena » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:10 pm

Drongonia wrote:I support this. Porn rots the brain and degeneracy such as this isn't true freedom of expression, that's just a load of cringeworthy American liberalism. Expression of what? Smut? Give me a break lmao.


The degeneracy is hidden in that closed private browser tab of yours. You can claim all to fight it, in the end it will win.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:14 pm

Istrialmatia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
The degeneracy is hidden in that closed private browser tab of yours. You can claim all to fight it, in the end it will win.

You described how pornography when uncontrolled can ruin the lives of people and psychologically change them. Same shit can apply to an uncontrolled market

what lmao
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Postby Nakena » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:16 pm

Istrialmatia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
The degeneracy is hidden in that closed private browser tab of yours. You can claim all to fight it, in the end it will win.

You described how pornography when uncontrolled can ruin the lives of people and psychologically change them.


Now how many times did you delete your porn stash?
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:18 pm

Istrialmatia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
The degeneracy is hidden in that closed private browser tab of yours. You can claim all to fight it, in the end it will win.

You described how pornography when uncontrolled can ruin the lives of people and psychologically change them. Same shit can apply to an uncontrolled market
There is such a possibility that you could die from water poisoning. Watching excessive porn is all your fault so don't interfere with watching porn
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:18 pm

I've always tended to view porn the same way I view alcohol, and a total prohibition of the former, something existing within the Internet, would probably be less successful than the one tried against the latter.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:18 pm

Drongonia wrote:I support this. Porn rots the brain and degeneracy such as this isn't true freedom of expression, that's just a load of cringeworthy American liberalism. Expression of what? Smut? Give me a break lmao.

See, that's just incorrect. Demonizing sexuality is never okay. I'm online friends with plenty of people who draw NSFW art, and I can tell you they're all very friendly and normal people. The fact politicians want to portray people who enjoy it/draw it/etc as these morally deviant weirdos is completely wrong.
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Postby Fahran » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:20 pm

While regulations, as in any industry, will be difficult to implement and will lead to additional expenses, a lot of these are long overdue and some of the costs can be passed off onto large corporate monopolies such as MindGeek. Given the political bent and occupational concerns of your source, I had to scour the internet for another source that elucidated precisely what SISEA would do and impose, without focusing solely on how it would negatively impact sex workers and the sex industry.

The motivation for authoring the bill wasn't prudishness. Rather, it's intended to protect people from revenge porn, illegal hacking, and the uploading of pornographic content without the explicit consent of those who appear in the videos or images concerned. I cannot discuss the other benefits due to the ill-conceived moratorium that we still have in place, but, when moderation decides that we should treat the issue concerned in the same way we treat transphobia or extreme racism, we can discuss the benefits of why we shouldn't empower sexual predators as well.

In all seriousness, given the lax standards in the pornographic industry, this bill is long overdue, regardless of the costs to large corporate monopolies such as MindGeek. The principal impact on sex workers will be that they have to fill out additional forms. The impact on those who want to access pornography will be that they can't access material that depicts people who haven't or cannot consent or pirated material. Which should be a universal standard anyway.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:21 pm

There's so much unreasonable shit in this, but I think the "can't download anything" is the most bonkers. Like, what the hell.
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Postby Fahran » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:22 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Imagine telling people what they can and can't watch in their own private life. I bet the war on porn would be as much of a waste of time as the war on drugs.

The bill isn't a ban on porn. It's a ban on porn that depicts people who haven't given informed consent to appearing in publicly accessible pornographic content and a set of regulations that puts the onus on a massive corporate monopoly to ensure that it's upheld.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:22 pm

Istrialmatia wrote:I dont download porn.


You stream it?

Istrialmatia wrote: I'm saying what you have mentioned means that when you dont control a market it ruins one's life and can grow to an abnormal size which will consume the lives of the people. You'd surely agree on that, after all, you are a socialist like me or are you perhaps an American neo-lib larp??


The biggest monopolist is Mindgeek (the company behind Pornhub) and they have been hit badly by MasterCard and Visa cancelling them, and which alongside the NYTimes articles, led to them deleting millions of videos and very likely destroying their business model. It was big on the news. I am surprised it didn got a thread or hasnt been mentioned here.

Ironically I was always thinking their end would come by class lawsuit for systematical DMCA violations. Guess they have dodged that bullet to take another.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:22 pm

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Postby Ameriganastan » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:22 pm

Fahran wrote:While regulations, as in any industry, will be difficult to implement and will lead to additional expenses, a lot of these are long overdue and some of the costs can be passed off onto large corporate monopolies such as MindGeek. Given the political bent and occupational concerns of your source, I had to scour the internet for another source that elucidated precisely what SISEA would do and impose, without focusing solely on how it would negatively impact sex workers and the sex industry.

The motivation for authoring the bill wasn't prudishness. Rather, it's intended to protect people from revenge porn, illegal hacking, and the uploading of pornographic content without the explicit consent of those who appear in the videos or images concerned. I cannot discuss the other benefits due to the ill-conceived moratorium that we still have in place, but, when moderation decides that we should treat the issue concerned in the same way we treat transphobia or extreme racism, we can discuss the benefits of why we shouldn't empower sexual predators as well.

In all seriousness, given the lax standards in the pornographic industry, this bill is long overdue, regardless of the costs to large corporate monopolies such as MindGeek. The principal impact on sex workers will be that they have to fill out additional forms. The impact on those who want to access pornography will be that they can't access material that depicts people who haven't or cannot consent or pirated material. Which should be a universal standard anyway.

Yes, but bills are never used for just what the base intention is. And everyone knows it. Would cracking down on revenge porn and the like be good? Yes, very. Is that where they'd stop? Not a chance. You give them an inch, they take a mile with this stuff.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:23 pm

Istrialmatia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Now how many times did you delete your porn stash?

I dont download porn. I'm saying what you have mentioned means that when you dont control a market it ruins one's life and can grow to an abnormal size which will consume the lives of the people. You'd surely agree on that, after all, you are a socialist like me or are you perhaps an American neo-lib larp??
I am watching porn and I am very satisfied with my life. I invite those who are against porn to calm down and watch porn.
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Postby Fahran » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:27 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:Yes, but bills are never used for just what the base intention is. And everyone knows it. Would cracking down on revenge porn and the like be good? Yes, very. Is that where they'd stop? Not a chance. You give them an inch, they take a mile with this stuff.

The bill doesn't ban pornography though. It simply requires some verification of identity and consent, which, given how MindGeek and the sex industry in general operate, is necessary to prevent a lot of the abuses that people who support the sex industry claim to want to prevent. As per my source...

Require any user uploading a video to the platform verify their identity.

Require any user uploading a video to the platform also upload a signed consent form from every individual appearing in the video.

Creates a private right of action against an uploader who uploads a pornographic image without the consent of an individual featured in the image.

Require platforms hosting pornography include a notice or banner on the website instructing how an individual can request removal of a video if an individual has not consented to it being uploaded on the platform.

Prohibit video downloads from these platforms, to be in place within three months of enactment of this legislation.

Require platforms hosting pornography offer a 24-hour hotline staffed by the platform. Individuals who contact the hotline can request removal of a video that has been distributed without their consent.

Require removal of flagged videos as quickly as possible, but not to exceed two hours.

Require platforms to use software to block a video from being reuploaded after its removal.

The platforms must have this software in place within six months of enactment of this legislation.

Directs the Federal Trade Commission to enforce violations of these requirements.

Creates a database of individuals that have indicated they do not consent. The database must be checked against before new content can be uploaded to the platforms.

Instructs the Department of Justice to promulgate rules on where this database should be housed, and determine how to connect these victims with services, to include counseling and casework.

Failure to comply with this requirement will result in a civil penalty to the platform, with proceeds going towards victims services.


Most of this seems more than fair.
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:27 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Istrialmatia wrote:I dont download porn. I'm saying what you have mentioned means that when you dont control a market it ruins one's life and can grow to an abnormal size which will consume the lives of the people. You'd surely agree on that, after all, you are a socialist like me or are you perhaps an American neo-lib larp??
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:27 pm

Fahran wrote:While regulations, as in any industry, will be difficult to implement and will lead to additional expenses, a lot of these are long overdue and some of the costs can be passed off onto large corporate monopolies such as MindGeek. Given the political bent and occupational concerns of your source, I had to scour the internet for another source that elucidated precisely what SISEA would do and impose, without focusing solely on how it would negatively impact sex workers and the sex industry.

So, a source that wouldn't actually talk about what the bill would do and the ramifications of its impositions.
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