NATION

PASSWORD

PR for Beginners(A Dutch Election Thread)

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Who do you support?

VVD
5
6%
PVV
14
18%
CDA
3
4%
D66
7
9%
GL
19
25%
SP
11
14%
PvdA
6
8%
CU
1
1%
PvdD
3
4%
Other(State Whom)
8
10%
 
Total votes : 77

User avatar
Shrillland
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15540
Founded: Apr 12, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

PR for Beginners(A Dutch Election Thread)

Postby Shrillland » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:31 pm

Ah, a perennial favourite at NSG, the Dutch Tweede Kamer election is coming most likely on Wednesday, March 17, and the government may be stretching voting out for three days to keep Covid at bay. It's been an eventful four years for the Netherlands as it has for everyone else. As the current coalition government led by VVD leader Mark Rutte got settled in, Thierry Baudet's Forum for Democracy started siphoning voters towards his new far-right party with a similar appeal to other right populists in the last few years. In 2019, after the Eerste Kamer and provincial elections left FvD the largest party in that chamber and in three provinces(helped no doubt by a surge of anti-Islamic feeling in the wake of a shooting in Utrecht), it looked for a while like FvD could win the election.

VVD itself, meanwhile, seemed to be struggling to stay above water until a series of controversies in early 2020 led to FvD's collapse from grace. Still, VVD was tied with the more famous right populists under Geert Wilders PVV and the old social democratic PvdA(Labour Party). And then came the plague. Like in other parts of the world, Rutte's government's response ended up saving the bacon of all four parties involved including CDA, D66, and CU, but they aren't expected to cross the threshold together in the latest polls. Meanwhile, Wilders now has strengthened the Party for Freedom into a good second place. On top of that, a whole new VVD will appear as 17 of the current 32 MPs are retiring. Rutte's still expected to be Lijsttrekker(party leader) when the final VVD list is published in January, and he's poised to lead a fourth government according to the polls. But with who? Let's find out, shall we?

Now for the basics in what's perhaps the most fun elections to watch outside of the Westminster countries. The Tweede Kamer has 150 members elected in a single national constituency by D'Hondt open list PR with(and this is the fun part) no threshold. If you can get 0.66% nationwide, you get a seat. This means there are a LOT of parties represented.

Now to meet the parties themselves, too many to put into the poll:

People's Party for Freedom and Democracy(VVD) led by Current PM Mark Rutte: Centre-right, Conservative Liberal, Economic Liberal

Party for Freedom(PVV) led by Geert Wilders: Far Right, Eurosceptic, Right Populist, Dutch Nationalist, Anti-immigrant, Welfare Nationalist, Anti-Islamic

Christian Democratic Appeal(CDA) led by Wopke Hoekstra: Centre-right, Christian Democratic, Social Conservative

Democrats 66(D66) led by Sigrid Kaag: Centre, Eurofederalist, Progressive, Social Liberal

GroenLinks(GL) led by Jesse Klaver: Left Wing, Pro-Europe, Green Policy, Social Democracy

Socialist Party(SP) led by Lillian Marijnissen: Left Wing, Dutch Republican, Democratic Socialist, Soft Eurosceptic, Left Populist

Labour Party(PvdA) led by Lilianne Ploumen: Centre-left, Social Democratic, Feminist

Christian Union(CU) led by Gert-Jan Segers: Fiscally Centre to Centre-left, Ethically Centre-right, Calvinist, Christian Democratic, Soft Eurosceptic, Social Conservative

Party for the Animals(PvdD) led by Esther Ouwehand: Left Wing, Animal Rights, Environmentalist, Soft Eurosceptic

Forum for Democracy(FvD) no leader though former leader Thierry Baudet remains as Lijsttrekker: Far Right, Direct Democratic, E-Democracy, National Conservative, Dutch Nationalist, Right Populist

Reformed Political Party(SGP) led by Kees van der Staaij: Right Wing, Dutch Reformist Theocratic(even their website's closed on Sunday), Social Conservative, Soft Eurosceptic

50PLUS(50+) led by Liane den Haan: Centre, Pensioners Interests, Populist, Soft Eurosceptic

Denk led by Farid Azarkan: Centre-left to Left, Turkish Minority Interests(some consider the party an adjunct of Turkey's AKP), Islamic Community Interests, Identity Politics, Social Democratic, Social Conservative, Anti-Zionist

Right Answer '21(JA21) led by Joort Eerdmans: Right Wing, Soft Eurosceptic, Anti-Immigrant, Conservative Liberal

So, NSG, what's your pick? What coalition do you think will lead?

For me, considering this is a country where you truly can vote your conscience, my preference is for GroenLinks. As for my coalition pick, I think given the poll numbers, it will be VVD-CDA-D66-PvdA-CU. The current coalition is six shy of a majority, and after the failed GroenLinks negotiations last time around, Rutte needs to throw the left a bone, so I think he'll go safe with the PvdA

EDIT 1/14/2021: Labour leader Lodewijk Asscher has resigned as the party slumps in the polls and he continues to be blamed for a major scandal concerning childcare allowance fraud that turned out not to be happening. PvdA will choose a new lijstrekker in the coming days, most likely former Foreign Trade Minister Lilianne Ploumen.

EDIT: 1/18: Ploumen has been all but acclaimed by PvdA, the OP is updated accordingly.
Last edited by Shrillland on Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:29 am, edited 4 times in total.
Stand with Content Creators Like Me! Stand With The Union!
Plebiscite Plaza 2021
Here's my Takes on LatAm Votes!
In 1963, Doctor Who taught us all we need to know about politics when a cave woman said, "Old men see no further than tomorrow's meat".

User avatar
Vestjylland
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 12
Founded: Dec 09, 2020
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Vestjylland » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:39 pm

That is a lot of parties.
Kongeriget Vestjylland
Kingdom of Vestjylland

A small, pan-Scandinavian monarchy set in 1750. Although Vestjylland is a constitutional monarchy, the Lily Witches were the real source of power. Until Queen Alicia II changed everything.
Little one, your heart is still filled with fear of uncertainty. When that fear is replaced by confidence, then you are no longer a girl and have become a witch.

Nhyet Vestjylland: Her Majesty the Queen of Vestjylland Alicia II demands serf workweek be shortened to 60 hours per week | Landlords strictly oppose new rent controls, violently riot in Ny Kapital before supressed by army | Navy marks one-year anniversary of "divine wind" that destroyed British invading fleet

User avatar
Forumland
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 126
Founded: Aug 09, 2019
Corporate Bordello

Postby Forumland » Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:58 pm

I knew it was coming but I didn't think you would make the thread 4 months out...

Vestjylland wrote:That is a lot of parties.

Yeah, but the niches are well defined. The only two parties with large amounts of overlap are PVV and FvD, and I guess that depends on whether you like a more conventional right-wing populist party or one led by the Dutch equivalent of Daniel Hannan.

User avatar
Shrillland
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15540
Founded: Apr 12, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Shrillland » Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:00 pm

Forumland wrote:I knew it was coming but I didn't think you would make the thread 4 months out...

Vestjylland wrote:That is a lot of parties.

Yeah, but the niches are well defined. The only two parties with large amounts of overlap are PVV and FvD, and I guess that depends on whether you like a more conventional right-wing populist party or one led by the Dutch equivalent of Daniel Hannan.


Normally, I don't go so far ahead of time, but Dutch votes always tend to be popular here and the last one was about three months out too.
Stand with Content Creators Like Me! Stand With The Union!
Plebiscite Plaza 2021
Here's my Takes on LatAm Votes!
In 1963, Doctor Who taught us all we need to know about politics when a cave woman said, "Old men see no further than tomorrow's meat".

User avatar
The Alma Mater
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21556
Founded: May 23, 2004
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:25 pm

Vestjylland wrote:That is a lot of parties.

It's not even all - many more run but never get a seat. Not even when they call themselves the Pirate Party and have a latex fetish model as their "lijstttrekker".

Though to be fair, the pirate party lost points for me when they failed to register in the Dutch Carribean.
Last edited by The Alma Mater on Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Getting an education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease.
It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on.
- Terry Pratchett, Hogfather

User avatar
Baltenstein
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10815
Founded: Jan 25, 2010
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Baltenstein » Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:53 pm

From a strictly ideological point of view, D66 would be the party that is the closest to my liking.

As a rule of thumb though, the - relative - personal integrity and competence of a candidate are a a more decisive factor for me than his or her political/ideological camp. So I guess, Rutte? He seems to be doing an okay job for his country, all things considered. I don't follow the news on the Netherlands very often though.
Last edited by Baltenstein on Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:54 pm, edited 2 times in total.
O'er the hills and o'er the main.
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain.
King George commands and we obey.
Over the hills and far away.


THE NORTH REMEMBERS

User avatar
The Alma Mater
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21556
Founded: May 23, 2004
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:11 pm

Baltenstein wrote:As a rule of thumb though, the - relative - personal integrity and competence of a candidate are a a more decisive factor for me than his or her political/ideological camp.


Why ? Genuine question.
Many people in the Netherlands vote party first, person second - where "person" often even is 'the first woman on the list or "the one whose name I liked". When asked, many will even not be able to name all the lijsttrekkers mentioned in the OP.

All online tools designed to help people to vote (e.g. by asking 80 or so questions about different topics and then showing how close the answers match the party programmes) also use the party and not the person as a basis.

Exceptions are of course the populist PVV and LPF where most people vote for the person without knowing the party programme. And when a representative of a party does exceptionally bad (like e.g. the Groen Links mayor of Amsterdam, Halsema) that might be reflected in the election.
Last edited by The Alma Mater on Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:54 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Getting an education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease.
It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on.
- Terry Pratchett, Hogfather

User avatar
Nakena
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13876
Founded: May 06, 2017
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Nakena » Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:55 am

I have no idea about any of those parties. Except Wilders and the Pomade Mafia.

What were their stances on Corona?

User avatar
The Alma Mater
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21556
Founded: May 23, 2004
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:24 am

Nakena wrote:I have no idea about any of those parties. Except Wilders and the Pomade Mafia.

What were their stances on Corona?


LPF thinks it is all nonsense, PVV tends to agree.
All other parties are in favour of measures; though quite a few object to the way laws and fines were implemented, how Ruttes pressconferences cause more confusion than clarity and how the cabinet seems to lack long-term vision.
Last edited by The Alma Mater on Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:25 am, edited 1 time in total.
Getting an education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease.
It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on.
- Terry Pratchett, Hogfather

User avatar
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1157
Founded: Sep 24, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:46 am

Can you add DENK to the survey please. I wonder if you can not especially add, I do not understand.

DENK+Labour Party+Democrats 66
Last edited by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum on Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:50 am, edited 1 time in total.
Sosyal Demokrat Kemalist
Zayıf Agnostik

Türk %75,1 ☾☆
Slav % 20,4
Hintli %1,35
Çinli %1

User avatar
Avaerilon
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1566
Founded: Jul 03, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Avaerilon » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:13 am

As a shamelessly pro-EU individual, and a liberal, I support D66- they're not perfect, but seldom is a party or candidate perfect. I'm a resident of NL, and pretty clued-up, so I'm not going in blind.
===I'M A UNIVERSITY TEACHER===
No, my IC tax rate is NOT 100%
On Behalf of His Most Royal Majesty, King Aubrey the Dragonheart
Essel y fend Ēg Regnerarch Mawregddog, Regnyr Awbru yr Amdragalon

User avatar
Baltenstein
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10815
Founded: Jan 25, 2010
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Baltenstein » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:42 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:As a rule of thumb though, the - relative - personal integrity and competence of a candidate are a a more decisive factor for me than his or her political/ideological camp.


Why ? Genuine question.
Many people in the Netherlands vote party first, person second - where "person" often even is 'the first woman on the list or "the one whose name I liked". When asked, many will even not be able to name all the lijsttrekkers mentioned in the OP.

All online tools designed to help people to vote (e.g. by asking 80 or so questions about different topics and then showing how close the answers match the party programmes) also use the party and not the person as a basis.

Exceptions are of course the populist PVV and LPF where most people vote for the person without knowing the party programme. And when a representative of a party does exceptionally bad (like e.g. the Groen Links mayor of Amsterdam, Halsema) that might be reflected in the election.


Because by and large, most parties are wretched hives of scum of villainy, made up of an increasingly society-detached caste of authoritarian zealots (the party youths) and self-serving apparatchiks (the same people, once older and in public office), with the ideological differences being mostly the product of PR campaigns. It's honestly no wonder that political apathy has been steadily rising and party membership falling in Western parliamentary democracies for quite some time now.
Even though I mostly identify as a liberal centrist, I'd much rather vote for a decent and/or competent (ideally both) leftist or conservative rather than a centrist scoundrel.
O'er the hills and o'er the main.
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain.
King George commands and we obey.
Over the hills and far away.


THE NORTH REMEMBERS

User avatar
Crylante
Diplomat
 
Posts: 868
Founded: Dec 06, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Crylante » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:24 am

bring back PPR 2k21
Crylantian Federation
Social democratic confederation of Latin-Danes, Danes and Finns.
IIWiki
Democratic socialist, green and left-wing populist
Economic Left/Right: -8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.59

Co-administrator of Aeia and NS Parliament

User avatar
Shrillland
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15540
Founded: Apr 12, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Shrillland » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:22 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Can you add DENK to the survey please. I wonder if you can not especially add, I do not understand.

DENK+Labour Party+Democrats 66


I have DENK in as other because I could only fit so many onto the poll, so I put up the top nine in the polls and anyone who wanted one of the others could vote other and say which one they wanted.
Stand with Content Creators Like Me! Stand With The Union!
Plebiscite Plaza 2021
Here's my Takes on LatAm Votes!
In 1963, Doctor Who taught us all we need to know about politics when a cave woman said, "Old men see no further than tomorrow's meat".

User avatar
No State Here
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1579
Founded: Jun 10, 2019
Anarchy

Postby No State Here » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:39 am

Didn’t know so many people care about swamp germans :p
Abolish NSG

New York Anarcho-Capitalist Minarchist, not an Ancap anymore
Theme
Anthem

User avatar
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1157
Founded: Sep 24, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:46 am

Shrillland wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Can you add DENK to the survey please. I wonder if you can not especially add, I do not understand.

DENK+Labour Party+Democrats 66


I have DENK in as other because I could only fit so many onto the poll, so I put up the top nine in the polls and anyone who wanted one of the others could vote other and say which one they wanted.
you are right How is the DENK party's attitude towards Marijuana and brothels ? Is it really a social democratic party that defends the rights of Turks ?
Sosyal Demokrat Kemalist
Zayıf Agnostik

Türk %75,1 ☾☆
Slav % 20,4
Hintli %1,35
Çinli %1

User avatar
Anatoliyanskiy
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 473
Founded: Jan 19, 2020
Democratic Socialists

Postby Anatoliyanskiy » Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:55 am

Well, I do think that the VVD will most likely remain in power somehow and I do agree with the OP that the Labour Party will probably be included in a coalition, seeing as they are the least left-wing of the left parties. They did have an astonishing loss of seats last time and they aren't really looking to gain that much. Anyhow my personal support is torn between the GreenLeft and Socialist Party but GreenLeft edges them out so id probably vote for them.
Pro: Environmentalism, Eco-Socialism, Democratic Socialism, Social Democracy,Progressivism, Pro-choice, Pro-LGTBQ+ rights, Immigration, Bernie Sanders,Secularism, Palestine And Israel, Internationalism, Alter-Globalization.
Anti: Conservatism, Traditionalism, Bigotry, TERF movement, Fascism, Stalinism, Totalitarianism, Laissez-faire capitalism, Libertarianism, Bolsonaro, Religious Fundamentalism, Nationalism
We mostly use NS stats. No I don't accept Telegrams.
I'm a Eco-Libertarian Democratic Socialist, or ELDS for short.
Forums that I've posted: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=487988 (dead but useful for info)
Ive been on this site for 1 year. I don't know if this is an accomplishment or just sad.

User avatar
Shrillland
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15540
Founded: Apr 12, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Shrillland » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:16 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
I have DENK in as other because I could only fit so many onto the poll, so I put up the top nine in the polls and anyone who wanted one of the others could vote other and say which one they wanted.
you are right How is the DENK party's attitude towards Marijuana and brothels ? Is it really a social democratic party that defends the rights of Turks ?


On social and moral issues, they're actually quite conservative and look at it from an Islamic perspective, so marijuana and brothels are right out.
Stand with Content Creators Like Me! Stand With The Union!
Plebiscite Plaza 2021
Here's my Takes on LatAm Votes!
In 1963, Doctor Who taught us all we need to know about politics when a cave woman said, "Old men see no further than tomorrow's meat".

User avatar
Anatoliyanskiy
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 473
Founded: Jan 19, 2020
Democratic Socialists

Postby Anatoliyanskiy » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:19 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
I have DENK in as other because I could only fit so many onto the poll, so I put up the top nine in the polls and anyone who wanted one of the others could vote other and say which one they wanted.
you are right How is the DENK party's attitude towards Marijuana and brothels ? Is it really a social democratic party that defends the rights of Turks ?


to be fair, they are actually very socially conservative and can be seen as being socially right-wing. They do defend Turkish, Moroccan and general arabic minority rights, and fiscally they are social democratic. So like 2 out of 3 things you agree with. They tend to get 2-3 seats.
Pro: Environmentalism, Eco-Socialism, Democratic Socialism, Social Democracy,Progressivism, Pro-choice, Pro-LGTBQ+ rights, Immigration, Bernie Sanders,Secularism, Palestine And Israel, Internationalism, Alter-Globalization.
Anti: Conservatism, Traditionalism, Bigotry, TERF movement, Fascism, Stalinism, Totalitarianism, Laissez-faire capitalism, Libertarianism, Bolsonaro, Religious Fundamentalism, Nationalism
We mostly use NS stats. No I don't accept Telegrams.
I'm a Eco-Libertarian Democratic Socialist, or ELDS for short.
Forums that I've posted: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=487988 (dead but useful for info)
Ive been on this site for 1 year. I don't know if this is an accomplishment or just sad.

User avatar
Shrillland
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15540
Founded: Apr 12, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Shrillland » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:21 pm

Anatoliyanskiy wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:you are right How is the DENK party's attitude towards Marijuana and brothels ? Is it really a social democratic party that defends the rights of Turks ?


to be fair, they are actually very socially conservative and can be seen as being socially right-wing. They do defend Turkish, Moroccan and general arabic minority rights, and fiscally they are social democratic. So like 2 out of 3 things you agree with. They tend to get 2-3 seats.


And they do have a somewhat unhealthy relationship with the AKP in Turkey to the point where they're more or less a puppet.
Last edited by Shrillland on Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Stand with Content Creators Like Me! Stand With The Union!
Plebiscite Plaza 2021
Here's my Takes on LatAm Votes!
In 1963, Doctor Who taught us all we need to know about politics when a cave woman said, "Old men see no further than tomorrow's meat".

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Post Czar
 
Posts: 49206
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:22 pm

I guess GL would be the party for me if i were a humble dutchman.
Irish Nationalist from Belfast / SDLP-Alliance Party / Leftwinger / Atheist
Miniature Painting, Cheese, Curry, Tanks and English Gals are my Kryptonite


I never thought in terms of being a leader. I thought very simply in terms of helping people’ - John Hume


User avatar
Anatoliyanskiy
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 473
Founded: Jan 19, 2020
Democratic Socialists

Postby Anatoliyanskiy » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:24 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Anatoliyanskiy wrote:
to be fair, they are actually very socially conservative and can be seen as being socially right-wing. They do defend Turkish, Moroccan and general arabic minority rights, and fiscally they are social democratic. So like 2 out of 3 things you agree with. They tend to get 2-3 seats.


And they do have a somewhat unhealthy relationship with the AKP in Turkey to the point where they're more or less a puppet.


yeah they also have ties with the Grey Wolves so not too favourable. However equally unfavourable is Geert Wilders who's kinda gotten a cult of personality similar to Trumps, he's basically the Dutch Trump if you will. And the FVD luckily had a huge drop in support so phew, no more climate change denialists!
Pro: Environmentalism, Eco-Socialism, Democratic Socialism, Social Democracy,Progressivism, Pro-choice, Pro-LGTBQ+ rights, Immigration, Bernie Sanders,Secularism, Palestine And Israel, Internationalism, Alter-Globalization.
Anti: Conservatism, Traditionalism, Bigotry, TERF movement, Fascism, Stalinism, Totalitarianism, Laissez-faire capitalism, Libertarianism, Bolsonaro, Religious Fundamentalism, Nationalism
We mostly use NS stats. No I don't accept Telegrams.
I'm a Eco-Libertarian Democratic Socialist, or ELDS for short.
Forums that I've posted: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=487988 (dead but useful for info)
Ive been on this site for 1 year. I don't know if this is an accomplishment or just sad.

User avatar
The Alma Mater
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21556
Founded: May 23, 2004
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:32 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
I have DENK in as other because I could only fit so many onto the poll, so I put up the top nine in the polls and anyone who wanted one of the others could vote other and say which one they wanted.
you are right How is the DENK party's attitude towards Marijuana and brothels ? Is it really a social democratic party that defends the rights of Turks ?


As long as you believe Erdogan is the true Prophet - yes.
If you believe Mohammed is or that Ataturk was wise or are a Gulenist... run.
Getting an education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease.
It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on.
- Terry Pratchett, Hogfather

User avatar
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1157
Founded: Sep 24, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:41 pm

I don't understand. Does it support marijuana and prostitution ? What attitude does DENK party have towards LGBT ?
Sosyal Demokrat Kemalist
Zayıf Agnostik

Türk %75,1 ☾☆
Slav % 20,4
Hintli %1,35
Çinli %1

User avatar
Shrillland
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15540
Founded: Apr 12, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Shrillland » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:48 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I don't understand. Does it support marijuana and prostitution ? What attitude does DENK party have towards LGBT ?


As I said, they don't support marijuana or prostitution. They're also more aligned with parties like CU and SGP when it comes to LGBT folks, i.e., they're not big fans.
Stand with Content Creators Like Me! Stand With The Union!
Plebiscite Plaza 2021
Here's my Takes on LatAm Votes!
In 1963, Doctor Who taught us all we need to know about politics when a cave woman said, "Old men see no further than tomorrow's meat".

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ancapimania, Austria-Bohemia-Hungary, Comerciante, Corporoat, Dumb Ideologies, Ethel mermania, Gnark, Google [Bot], Great Pacific Switzerland, Greater Cosmicium, Heloin, Ifreann, Infected Mushroom, Loeje, Luna Amore, Matroyska, Nakena, National Capitalist United States, Picairn, Segmentia, Silvedania, The Blaatschapen, The Grand Duchy of Muscovy, The Huskar Social Union, The Reformed American Republic, Trollzyn the Infinite

Advertisement

Remove ads