Should the United States Federal government be dissolved?

[Territories of Illinois]

Over the times the united states exist, an almost mutual distrust has arisen against the federal government over issues like slavery, taxes, intervention, COVID-19 , and underrepresented states and peoples. Things like the Confederacy, Texas, Hawaii, California, and I believe New Hampshire has tried to secede over numerous issues. Taking into consideration that some states and territories of the United States have previously existed as autonomous countries before, here are some questions to consider when discussing this topic: Is secession legal, and does the 10th amendment protect that right? Would states be better off without the intervention of the federal government? If we did decide to dissolve the federal government, should we replace it with something modeled off a mutual friendship/league like the Articles of Confederation, or an economic union such as the EU?
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-22/column-coronavirus-split-country
https://www.veteranstodaynetwork.com/2020/11/15/should-the-united-states-of-america-break-up-into-two-countries/
https://www.debate.org/opinions/should-the-usa-be-split-into-multiple-different-countries
https://thefederalist.com/2018/04/10/time-united-states-divorce-things-get-dangerous/
https://bonniebluepublishing.com/The%20Right%20of%20Secession.htm#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20evidence%20that%20secession%20was%20illegal,that%20secession%20was%20a%20legal%2C%20constitutionally%20sanctioned%20act.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-secession-legal/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

[-Ra-]

No.

[Kowani]

Not Legal, not protected.
Anyway, if any state tried to secede, I propose we use the Somalia model. It’s the only thing that would happen.

[Thermodolia]

Hell to the fucking no

[Sundiata]

I would prefer state governments to be dissolved over the federal.

[The Holy Therns]

Gee, I wonder what brought this question on.

[The Federal Government of Iowa]

lmao no
You want worldwise disruption and chaos? Dissolve the US government.
Terrible idea smh

Go back to something like the Articles of Confederation? Bruh, did you take a US History class? There's a reason they failed and why the founders opted to have a stronger federal government. And it's a d### good reason too.

[Thermodolia]

Not Legal, not protected.
Anyway, if any state tried to secede, I propose we use the Somalia model. It’s the only thing that would happen.

I prefer direct rule from DC

[Federal Asia]

Yes

[The Federal Government of Iowa]

I would prefer state governments to be dissolved over the federal.

Heck to the no. Federalism is one of the gems of the American system, or any system for that matter.
Giving the Feds near-infinite power is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.
If you want to live in an autocratic state run by bureaucrats, get rid of Federalism in the US. Your life will become hell.

[Sanghyeok]

I would prefer state governments to be dissolved over the federal.

Agreed.

[Arisyan]

Nope nope nope

[Sparanoda]

OP mentioned the Articles of Confederation as an alternative...there is a reason that didn't last very long the first time they tried it.

So no. The U.S. should not be broken up. I'd rather abolish state governments, but that would also be a bad idea.

[Territories of Illinois]

To be honest with my opinion, I would dissolve the federal government because I feel that my state represents me more than the Federal government ever will. The United Sates represents over 360,000,000 people and That is too many to be accurately represented. Also, I don't support the federal government sending troops all over the world for private interest and being the policeman all over the world intervening in conflicts that do not concern us. Now I do think that we should replace it with a voluntary economic union that would standardize currency and free trade through the states and no more. I do the problem with trying to divide the federal resources among the states like money, debt and so on. That would be the trickier part.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Gee, I wonder what brought this question on.

Yep. The SCOTUS rejecting Trump's BS cases.

[Thermodolia]

To be honest with my opinion, I would dissolve the federal government because I feel that my state represents me more than the Federal government ever will. The United Sates represents over 360,000,000 people and That is too many to be accurately represented. Also, I don't support the federal government sending troops all over the world for private interest and being the policeman all over the world intervening in conflicts that do not concern us. Now I do think that we should replace it with a voluntary economic union that would standardize currency and free trade through the states and no more. I do the problem with trying to divide the federal resources among the states like money, debt and so on. That would be the trickier part.

That didn’t work the first time they tried it so why would it work now? Also the EU is voluntary but your types hate that thing

[Stellar Colonies]

no

But it could definitely stand some improvement.

Also, Calexit is a joke that we have never taken seriously.

[Greed and Death]

The last four years has taught me the federal government is incompetent as such I deliver the death penalty and now the state governments shall rule as national governments.

[Territories of Illinois]

Gee, I wonder what brought this question on.

Yep. The SCOTUS rejecting Trump's BS cases.

Actually, I didn't even know that happened. I voted for Jorganson this time around as I am a libertarian. I do think that both cheated but that is a topic I guess on another thread

[Thermodolia]

The last four years has taught me the federal government is incompetent as such I deliver the death penalty and now the state governments shall rule as national governments.

The federal government isn’t incompetent just the people leading it are. I’m sure if we all led the feds it would be an efficient Machine. Well either that or absolute hell

[The Federal Government of Iowa]

To be honest with my opinion, I would dissolve the federal government because I feel that my state represents me more than the Federal government ever will. The United Sates represents over 360,000,000 people and That is too many to be accurately represented. Also, I don't support the federal government sending troops all over the world for private interest and being the policeman all over the world intervening in conflicts that do not concern us. Now I do think that we should replace it with a voluntary economic union that would standardize currency and free trade through the states and no more. I do the problem with trying to divide the federal resources among the states like money, debt and so on. That would be the trickier part.

If you want better representation at the Federal level, there are easier ways than dissolving the entire gov. You could, for example, just expand the number of seats in the House. Maybe change the number of senators from two to four. But dissolving the Feds? Nah.
Not many people do support sending troops everywhere. While I agree we need to back off, if we stop being the world's policeman, who takes our place? If the answer is China, I will refuse. Yeah, a voluntary economic union was already tried and... it didn't work.

[Territories of Illinois]

To be honest with my opinion, I would dissolve the federal government because I feel that my state represents me more than the Federal government ever will. The United Sates represents over 360,000,000 people and That is too many to be accurately represented. Also, I don't support the federal government sending troops all over the world for private interest and being the policeman all over the world intervening in conflicts that do not concern us. Now I do think that we should replace it with a voluntary economic union that would standardize currency and free trade through the states and no more. I do the problem with trying to divide the federal resources among the states like money, debt and so on. That would be the trickier part.

That didn’t work the first time they tried it so why would it work now? Also the EU is voluntary but your types hate that thing

I wouldn't personally enjoy it, it would be a compromise as I'm trying to be realistic about what would actually replace it. Also I don't want an exact model of the EU but rather a voluntary association that would only have economic powers.

[Thermodolia]

That didn’t work the first time they tried it so why would it work now? Also the EU is voluntary but your types hate that thing

I wouldn't personally enjoy it, it would be a compromise as I'm trying to be realistic about what would actually replace it. Also I don't want an exact model of the EU but rather a voluntary association that would only have economic powers.

So the articles of confederation then. You are aware that it didn’t work and almost led to the US becoming nonexistent

[Territories of Illinois]

To be honest with my opinion, I would dissolve the federal government because I feel that my state represents me more than the Federal government ever will. The United Sates represents over 360,000,000 people and That is too many to be accurately represented. Also, I don't support the federal government sending troops all over the world for private interest and being the policeman all over the world intervening in conflicts that do not concern us. Now I do think that we should replace it with a voluntary economic union that would standardize currency and free trade through the states and no more. I do the problem with trying to divide the federal resources among the states like money, debt and so on. That would be the trickier part.

If you want better representation at the Federal level, there are easier ways than dissolving the entire gov. You could, for example, just expand the number of seats in the House. Maybe change the number of senators from two to four. But dissolving the Feds? Nah.
Not many people do support sending troops everywhere. While I agree we need to back off, if we stop being the world's policeman, who takes our place? If the answer is China, I will refuse. Yeah, a voluntary economic union was already tried and... it didn't work.

If China and russia decide to replace us thats other peoples problems, not ours. Our military should only be used to protect the homeland, nothing else.

[The Reformed American Republic]

At best, maybe reduced in power and increased power transferred to lower levels of government, so various groups whom don't want to live amongst each other can do. so. Ie. Liberals having their own areas and Conservatives having their own as well. Either that, or more centralized rule from DC to keep the fundies in line and enforce unity.