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Would you re-hire Jack?

Yes
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No
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:35 pm

Please consider the following hypothetical:

You and your family move to a US state in the Midwest where connections matter. You invest most of your money into a casino which becomes hugely successful.

The locals don’t like this, since you don’t really have “roots in the community” and you’re seen as something opposed to their traditional religious values.

Every year, there is a hearing that is held to renew your gaming license to run the casinos. Since you’re on the whole legit, this is usually a mere formality and you regularly get cleared.




Over the summer, a new employee was in charge of the slot machines. He allowed two young gamblers to walk out of the place with their winnings after getting two complete perfect slot runs.

You conclude that the employee was either in on it with the gamblers or else grossly incompetent. After a heated argument, you fire him and kick him out.

On the way out he tells you: “You can’t treat me like this! This isn’t how you treat people!”

Later on, you are told by your advisors that the employee has underworld connections and he wasn’t a nobody. Turns out that he’s distantly related to a powerful young Mafia Queen.

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Despite appearances, the Mafia Queen runs a very powerful criminal syndicate that has its tentacles in everything, legal and illegal. The Queen travels across a large network of mansions scattered across the States and exerts a huge amount of influence over many levels of US government.

A few days later, during afternoon tea time, the Mafia Queen herself comes to see you personally in your office. The Queen is polite and friendly, but has clearly come with a purpose.

“Maybe you didn’t know it,” she said cheerfully while sipping some tea. “But old Jack here is a distant relative of mine. Maybe it was all a mistake right?” You tell her that you fired Jack because he was either corrupt (involved in rigging slot machines) or else grossly incompetent.

The Mafia Queen tells you that she “understands” your situation. However, she says she would consider it a Great Personal Favor if you were to rehire him. This personal favor would be repaid in the future.

She agrees with you that “old Jack” was bit of a “silly goose.” She offers you a creative solution; you can re-hire him but have him not do much. He’d be “fine and dandy” so long as the position sounded good on paper, and he got a decent pay for an intern.

You are not impressed and you tell her that as a responsible manager you shouldn’t do that sort of thing.

The Mafia Queen then suggests to you that if you don’t help old Jack in some way, there’s no telling “what could happen” in your next gaming license renewal hearing.

And on that note, she leaves your office and disappears.




You consult your advisors. They tell you it’s not clear if the Mafia Queen has people in the gaming boards or not but it’s a strong possibility; without the license renewed, the casino would have to shut down and you’d be in a black hole financially.

The police are widely considered to be on Team Mafia.

You don’t really have any underworld connections or “muscle” to help you if things further escalate.

However, you believe that you fired the employee on fair principles.

What do you do?

Do you re-hire Jack? Or do you stand by your principles and take a risk? Please justify your decision.


I would rehire Jack and not give him much real work. This is to protect the casino and my investments. I would not want to offend the Queen.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:41 pm

this woman is like John Kerry, she just keeps comin' back
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Postby Auphelia » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:42 pm

Once again, you went a few sentences too far and answered for us. Let the scenario end in the meeting with the Mafia Queen, or allow her to leave without waiting for a clear response. When you make more decisions for us than necessary to set up the situation, it removes us from the decision. I wouldn’t have said no in the first place. “Principles” are in no way worth the livelihoods of the rest of my employees or my own financial stability.

Honestly, it would be entirely selfish to keep the little fool fired. We’ll just allow him to faff about in the office and continue to run the business.
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Postby Alcona and Hubris » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:52 pm

Well, just as I would have advised De Neiro in Casino...which this is pretty much a copy paste of...

I would have noted to our 'local' boss that the aforementioned family member was, and is, not smart enough for being on the Casino floor. But we'd look at hiring him in a new position that he was better suited for...like being in charge of hotel shuttles out to Nye county or do tours out to the alien inn...or the Mt. Charleston ski slope... something similarly semi-useful....but far, far away from the action...

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Postby The Holy Therns » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:01 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong here but didn't you do this one before?
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Postby Adamede » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:02 pm

Business is business. Hire the guy back but put him somewhere where he isn’t responsible for large sums of money.

Of course beyond this I’d try to keep dealings with the mafia as limited as possible.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:05 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong here but didn't you do this one before?


This is a reboot, the last iteration was launched on June 2019 :)

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:06 pm

Auphelia wrote:Once again, you went a few sentences too far and answered for us. Let the scenario end in the meeting with the Mafia Queen, or allow her to leave without waiting for a clear response. When you make more decisions for us than necessary to set up the situation, it removes us from the decision. I wouldn’t have said no in the first place. “Principles” are in no way worth the livelihoods of the rest of my employees or my own financial stability.

Honestly, it would be entirely selfish to keep the little fool fired. We’ll just allow him to faff about in the office and continue to run the business.


I may have gone a bit far with the player control, but I tried not to make it too clear the player is decidedly on the No. :(

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Postby Punished UMN » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:14 pm

Aha! By entering my office, she has triggered my trap card! It's, uh, less of a card and more of a door. Anyway, she falls in the pit and is eaten by my pet gators.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:16 pm

The mafia wanna play with me? Well (considering this is a movie-type scenario), two can play that game. I don't have muscle yet, but imma immediately hire some private military people and have some of my buddies hire some gangsters to join us. Then I'll increase security on all my interests and put a price on Jack and the Mafia Queen. Me and my money don't go anywhere without protection.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:25 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong here but didn't you do this one before?


This is a reboot, the last iteration was launched on June 2019 :)


You've got no end of scenarios, hun, you don't need reboots.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:25 pm

You lost me at the premise that this joint isn't already mobbed up...
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:28 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:You lost me at the premise that this joint isn't already mobbed up...


Are they all supposed to be?

What about the ones on Macau?

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:29 pm

Rehire the employee. This part is easy, it won't cost much but pride.

Reconsider whether the casino business is really for you. After all, you just accidentally started a casino in a Mafia town.

I don't suppose the Mafia Queen is in want of a husband? No? Well then I have no good way of joining the Mafia. Laundering their money with my casino will make me a friend, but not one of the family, and it would take years ... all the time worried about the cops.

I'm going to sell the casino. To the Mafia Queen.

Whatever I get, I'll move to another town, change my name, and take up an honest line of work like selling recreational drugs.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:32 pm

Did I shove Jack down a toilet last time? I'll do that again.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:36 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Rehire the employee. This part is easy, it won't cost much but pride.

Reconsider whether the casino business is really for you. After all, you just accidentally started a casino in a Mafia town.

I don't suppose the Mafia Queen is in want of a husband? No? Well then I have no good way of joining the Mafia. Laundering their money with my casino will make me a friend, but not one of the family, and it would take years ... all the time worried about the cops.

I'm going to sell the casino. To the Mafia Queen.

Whatever I get, I'll move to another town, change my name, and take up an honest line of work like selling recreational drugs.


The Mafia Queen, Aurora Von Staffen, is usually written as single but disillusioned with romance

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:37 pm

Heloin wrote:Did I shove Jack down a toilet last time? I'll do that again.


I remember you said you’d have him clean toilets, but I don’t remember the shoving down part

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:38 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:You lost me at the premise that this joint isn't already mobbed up...


Are they all supposed to be?

What about the ones on Macau?

This state sounds like the sort of place where you wouldn't even get a gaming license without greasing some palms first.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:39 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Are they all supposed to be?

What about the ones on Macau?

This state sounds like the sort of place where you wouldn't even get a gaming license without greasing some palms first.


American Midwest, where more than a couple of people sport cowboy hats :)

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:44 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
This is a reboot, the last iteration was launched on June 2019 :)


You've got no end of scenarios, hun, you don't need reboots.


There’s a couple of new designs in testing right now :)

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Postby Shofercia » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:44 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following hypothetical:

You and your family move to a US state in the Midwest where connections matter. You invest most of your money into a casino which becomes hugely successful.

The locals don’t like this, since you don’t really have “roots in the community” and you’re seen as something opposed to their traditional religious values.

Every year, there is a hearing that is held to renew your gaming license to run the casinos. Since you’re on the whole legit, this is usually a mere formality and you regularly get cleared.




Over the summer, a new employee was in charge of the slot machines. He allowed two young gamblers to walk out of the place with their winnings after getting two complete perfect slot runs.

You conclude that the employee was either in on it with the gamblers or else grossly incompetent. After a heated argument, you fire him and kick him out.

On the way out he tells you: “You can’t treat me like this! This isn’t how you treat people!”

Later on, you are told by your advisors that the employee has underworld connections and he wasn’t a nobody. Turns out that he’s distantly related to a powerful young Mafia Queen.



Despite appearances, the Mafia Queen runs a very powerful criminal syndicate that has its tentacles in everything, legal and illegal. The Queen travels across a large network of mansions scattered across the States and exerts a huge amount of influence over many levels of US government.

A few days later, during afternoon tea time, the Mafia Queen herself comes to see you personally in your office. The Queen is polite and friendly, but has clearly come with a purpose.

“Maybe you didn’t know it,” she said cheerfully while sipping some tea. “But old Jack here is a distant relative of mine. Maybe it was all a mistake right?” You tell her that you fired Jack because he was either corrupt (involved in rigging slot machines) or else grossly incompetent.

The Mafia Queen tells you that she “understands” your situation. However, she says she would consider it a Great Personal Favor if you were to rehire him. This personal favor would be repaid in the future.

She agrees with you that “old Jack” was bit of a “silly goose.” She offers you a creative solution; you can re-hire him but have him not do much. He’d be “fine and dandy” so long as the position sounded good on paper, and he got a decent pay for an intern.

You are not impressed and you tell her that as a responsible manager you shouldn’t do that sort of thing.

The Mafia Queen then suggests to you that if you don’t help old Jack in some way, there’s no telling “what could happen” in your next gaming license renewal hearing.

And on that note, she leaves your office and disappears.




You consult your advisors. They tell you it’s not clear if the Mafia Queen has people in the gaming boards or not but it’s a strong possibility; without the license renewed, the casino would have to shut down and you’d be in a black hole financially.

The police are widely considered to be on Team Mafia.

You don’t really have any underworld connections or “muscle” to help you if things further escalate.

However, you believe that you fired the employee on fair principles.

What do you do?

Do you re-hire Jack? Or do you stand by your principles and take a risk? Please justify your decision.


I would rehire Jack and not give him much real work. This is to protect the casino and my investments. I would not want to offend the Queen.


I'd rehire Jack, since an intern's wage ain't worth offending the Mafia Queen.


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And you promptly get destroyed by the mafia, because you murdered their queen.


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The Two Jerseys wrote:You lost me at the premise that this joint isn't already mobbed up...


Are they all supposed to be?

What about the ones on Macau?


Uhhh... yeah, they are.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:44 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Rehire the employee. This part is easy, it won't cost much but pride.

Reconsider whether the casino business is really for you. After all, you just accidentally started a casino in a Mafia town.

I don't suppose the Mafia Queen is in want of a husband? No? Well then I have no good way of joining the Mafia. Laundering their money with my casino will make me a friend, but not one of the family, and it would take years ... all the time worried about the cops.

I'm going to sell the casino. To the Mafia Queen.

Whatever I get, I'll move to another town, change my name, and take up an honest line of work like selling recreational drugs.


The Mafia Queen, Aurora Von Staffen, is usually written as single but disillusioned with romance


I guess if you're raised with the thrill of killing people, having sex with them instead seems a bit boring.
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Postby Punished UMN » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:46 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following hypothetical:

You and your family move to a US state in the Midwest where connections matter. You invest most of your money into a casino which becomes hugely successful.

The locals don’t like this, since you don’t really have “roots in the community” and you’re seen as something opposed to their traditional religious values.

Every year, there is a hearing that is held to renew your gaming license to run the casinos. Since you’re on the whole legit, this is usually a mere formality and you regularly get cleared.




Over the summer, a new employee was in charge of the slot machines. He allowed two young gamblers to walk out of the place with their winnings after getting two complete perfect slot runs.

You conclude that the employee was either in on it with the gamblers or else grossly incompetent. After a heated argument, you fire him and kick him out.

On the way out he tells you: “You can’t treat me like this! This isn’t how you treat people!”

Later on, you are told by your advisors that the employee has underworld connections and he wasn’t a nobody. Turns out that he’s distantly related to a powerful young Mafia Queen.



Despite appearances, the Mafia Queen runs a very powerful criminal syndicate that has its tentacles in everything, legal and illegal. The Queen travels across a large network of mansions scattered across the States and exerts a huge amount of influence over many levels of US government.

A few days later, during afternoon tea time, the Mafia Queen herself comes to see you personally in your office. The Queen is polite and friendly, but has clearly come with a purpose.

“Maybe you didn’t know it,” she said cheerfully while sipping some tea. “But old Jack here is a distant relative of mine. Maybe it was all a mistake right?” You tell her that you fired Jack because he was either corrupt (involved in rigging slot machines) or else grossly incompetent.

The Mafia Queen tells you that she “understands” your situation. However, she says she would consider it a Great Personal Favor if you were to rehire him. This personal favor would be repaid in the future.

She agrees with you that “old Jack” was bit of a “silly goose.” She offers you a creative solution; you can re-hire him but have him not do much. He’d be “fine and dandy” so long as the position sounded good on paper, and he got a decent pay for an intern.

You are not impressed and you tell her that as a responsible manager you shouldn’t do that sort of thing.

The Mafia Queen then suggests to you that if you don’t help old Jack in some way, there’s no telling “what could happen” in your next gaming license renewal hearing.

And on that note, she leaves your office and disappears.




You consult your advisors. They tell you it’s not clear if the Mafia Queen has people in the gaming boards or not but it’s a strong possibility; without the license renewed, the casino would have to shut down and you’d be in a black hole financially.

The police are widely considered to be on Team Mafia.

You don’t really have any underworld connections or “muscle” to help you if things further escalate.

However, you believe that you fired the employee on fair principles.

What do you do?

Do you re-hire Jack? Or do you stand by your principles and take a risk? Please justify your decision.


I would rehire Jack and not give him much real work. This is to protect the casino and my investments. I would not want to offend the Queen.


I'd rehire Jack, since an intern's wage ain't worth offending the Mafia Queen.


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And you promptly get destroyed by the mafia, because you murdered their queen.

Ah, but they too have made the mistake of entering my office. The gators' hunger knows no bounds!
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:48 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Mafia Queen, Aurora Von Staffen, is usually written as single but disillusioned with romance


I guess if you're raised with the thrill of killing people, having sex with them instead seems a bit boring.


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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:52 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Mafia Queen, Aurora Von Staffen, is usually written as single but disillusioned with romance


I guess if you're raised with the thrill of killing people, having sex with them instead seems a bit boring.

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