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Pryporska
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Pryporska’s government dilemma

Postby Pryporska » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:45 pm

After months of fighting Wishan troops, Pryporska has finally won their independence and recognition by Wishan. Now there is quite a talk across Pryporska about what should happen next. Some say Pryporska must have a strict, iron fisted government, striking down opposition that will make Pryporska not independent, as the majority of Pryporskai want to be part of Wishan again. Others say democracy should be the government in order to make it fair. So Fredrich has asked the international community what should be done and also offers foreign companies to enter the nation. Offer your help and advice here nations of NS to Pryporska!
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Pryporska
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Postby Pryporska » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:07 pm

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Ideal Britain
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Postby Ideal Britain » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:10 pm

Sir Alexander Khan arrives "I'm here to argue the case of a system of checks and balances with democracy as the main elements.", "I also see a place for elements of monarchy and aristocracy to stop the majority from being tyrannical to the minority or the victims of deception by demagogues."
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Pryporska
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Postby Pryporska » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:13 pm

Ideal Britain wrote:Sir Alexander Khan arrives "I'm here to argue the case of a system of checks and balances with democracy as the main elements.", "I also see a place for elements of monarchy and aristocracy to stop the majority from being tyrannical to the minority or the victims of deception by demagogues."



"Monarchy?! But we fought years to escape a monarchs rule! Sir I see your good intentions but I am confused on how that would make any sense at all," screamed Fredrich

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Zarnicovia nova
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Postby Zarnicovia nova » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:31 pm

I think you should keep as a semi-dictatorship until democracy can be installed.
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Trenaka
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Postby Trenaka » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:44 pm

“I am against Zarnicovia Nova’s proposal. I propose a democracy, with elected lawmakers, executives, and judges, and a balance of power between the three. I also suggest taking a look at our Constitution for inspiration.”
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Zarnicovia nova
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Postby Zarnicovia nova » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:45 pm

Trenaka wrote:“I am against Zarnicovia Nova’s proposal. I propose a democracy, with elected lawmakers, executives, and judges, and a balance of power between the three. I also suggest taking a look at our Constitution for inspiration.”

"there's the minor issue that 52% or something around there percent of the country would vote for a president who would just rejoin the old country"
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Voxija
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Postby Voxija » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:58 pm

I have some advice.

(A) Adopt a system of democracy, with checks and balances in it. I recommend the American or Voxijan systems

(B) Change your flag. You look like a me clone. For flag creators, I recommend Flag Maker Jr.
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Graccia
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Postby Graccia » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:09 pm

Adopt the democratic system of the government and open up free and fair elections!
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Badjuristan
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Postby Badjuristan » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:11 pm

Voxija wrote:I have some advice.

(A) Adopt a system of democracy, with checks and balances in it. I recommend the American or Voxijan systems

(B) Change your flag. You look like a me clone. For flag creators, I recommend Flag Maker Jr.

You look like a basque country clone
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Voxija
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Postby Voxija » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:14 pm

Badjuristan wrote:
Voxija wrote:I have some advice.

(A) Adopt a system of democracy, with checks and balances in it. I recommend the American or Voxijan systems

(B) Change your flag. You look like a me clone. For flag creators, I recommend Flag Maker Jr.

You look like a basque country clone


My nation is culturally Basque, so yes.
The Republic of Voxija (pronounced: Voshiya)
I'm female.
Some weird Jew. Trying to learn French and failing. An American who wishes the US would switch to the metric system. Part of a giant conspiracy. Secret pyromaniac? I will never make an OOC factbook!

my politics are confused and muddled
Most of my grammar errors are on purpose. Sppeling errors, tho...
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Pryporska
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Postby Pryporska » Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:06 pm

Voxija wrote:
Badjuristan wrote:You look like a basque country clone


My nation is culturally Basque, so yes.


Ok we fixed the flag... we will add more once we decide the government, Nationalistic Dictatorship or democracy?

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Saralonia
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Postby Saralonia » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:00 pm

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Hello comrades, the Socialist Federation of Saralonia suggests that some democratic institutions are established and for a temporal partial oligarchy to be established instead of total control by one person while it is necessary.
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Pryporska
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Postby Pryporska » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:02 pm

Saralonia wrote:
The Ministry of Foreign Relations


Hello comrades, the Socialist Federation of Saralonia suggests that some democratic institutions are established and for a temporal partial oligarchy to be established instead of total control by one person while it is necessary.



Dear Saralonia, we held a vote to decide what government the people preferred, and they opted for a dictatorship that is influenced by a self appointed cabinet, essentially a autocratic oligarchy.

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Postby Saralonia » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:09 pm

Pryporska wrote:
Saralonia wrote:
The Ministry of Foreign Relations


Hello comrades, the Socialist Federation of Saralonia suggests that some democratic institutions are established and for a temporal partial oligarchy to be established instead of total control by one person while it is necessary.



Dear Saralonia, we held a vote to decide what government the people preferred, and they opted for a dictatorship that is influenced by a self appointed cabinet, essentially a autocratic oligarchy.


That sounds good then, good luck comrades.
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Postby Crysuko » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:50 pm

National company SteelTech would like to set up facilities in your nation, producing refined metal products and electronics, if you want to get your nation's metal and technology industries off the ground, you'll invest today!. Furthermore, the foreign department wishes to set up an embassy to facilitate regulations, this includes a guarentee of independence should your former enemy come knocking.
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The Disorder
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Postby The Disorder » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:33 pm

We suggest neither. Both dictatorships and democracies have a number of fatal flaws. A dictatorship is the thing that Pryporskans just revolted against. A democracy is capable of endorsing mass delusions as law. Both are equally unacceptable.

There are three fractions of your population at the moment, each with different requirements:

- Pryporskan revolutionaries demand freedom - and freedom is chaos. To embrace this chaos is to embrace the future. Control as little as possible, rule only as a last resort, and let the quantum fires of chaos burn brightly. Freedom may be a little bit dangerous - but if your people want a danger-free existence, they need to move to a different universe. Your revolutionaries do not fear the mild hazards of existing, and neither should the Pryporskan government.

- Wishan sympathizers desire nothing of your newfound freedom, and seek to return to the chains that previously bound them. These backward savages inherently crave subjugation - and in a twisted turn of irony, they will revolt against your freedom to attain slavery. You can either deport them to Wishan, or you can try subjugating them yourself.

- The uncertain - those who neither support Wishan nor actively fought on behalf of the Pryporskan revolution - may not immediately decide if they want to live a safe and ordered existence in servitude, or a free and chaotic existence in defiance of authority. Assume the latter for these souls, and they will quickly sort themselves into whichever system they prefer.

This compromise between order and chaos is a dreadful one. In an ideal universe, perfect chaos and perfect anarchy would hold the solutions to all problems. If technology becomes good enough, perhaps we can eventually achieve an anarchic singularity, and pierce through that seemingly insurmountable barrier into a perfect utopia. But until then, we must take the universe as it is. We must recognize that the compromise between order and chaos is a threat to all things that may ever exist. We must manage that threat, and we must mitigate the risks.

So far, the dual-system of anarchy for those that crave chaos & iron subjugation for those that crave order has worked...reasonably well. Carving out a comfortable existence is no easy task - but the Order of Disorder has managed well enough.

For the good of all chaos.
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ITmans
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Postby ITmans » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:07 am

Ministry of the foreign affairs of USS of ITmans
Our solution to your crisis is to to boost your defenses. You should not allow subversive Wishan elements to undermine your freedom, for which blood is spilled and destabilize the state, which will make it easy target for a future Wishan invasion. Any radical Wishan supporters should be returned to Wishan. Everyone, who wants to return to Wishan will have his opportunity to do so,.
Otherwise you will have to deal with riots, plotted by the Wishan, via it's numerous agents, that seem to be infiltrating your country.
If you ally with the RedBloc, we could provide you with some advanced technology, defense capabilities. Because your government can't guarantee the stability of the state at the moment and usage of such tech, we would need to be provided with the opportunity for an oversight of the activities conducted with the tech till the moment your government is capable to deal to the full extend of the situation.
We can also provide with 10 brigades to deter any malevolent opposition against the rightfully selected government of your state. Our secret police and advanced polygraphs can detect with ease the subversive elements, which then will be brought to you to deal with them accordingly.
Socialism is the system that you should choose, for which you will be provided substantiation military and economic assistance.
In time, you may choose to join the RedBloc pact.
We would also want to introduce you to the rare opportunity of opening diplomatic relationship and embassy in your state
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Republica Federal de Catalunya
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Postby Republica Federal de Catalunya » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:42 pm

We agree on the Goal of Pryporska is to aim to get into a fully democratic country in the midterm. Democracy, with elected lawmakers, executives, and judges, and a balance of power between the three.
In the first years with something than goes it that direction will be enough. That makes Pryporskan proud of their own country and something that is worth defending, provides basis for political stability and economic growth, allows people to express and participate freely in the country political life, without fear, gives more transparency.

The First step would be a have a stable and credible Government that can give Pryporskan people and foreign countries and investors to trust in Pryporskan capabilities of selfgovernment.

Pryporska ought to build first a wide provisional Government, that works, on provide a basic services and security both for people and bussiness. Replacing services provided by Wishan administration by a Pryporskan one.
Like; A tax administration and a Central bank, a health system, social protection system, a law judicial system and police force, public medias, etc.
By Vote a provisional representatives house in goal of approving a Constitution and then make general legislative elections.
Pryposkan provisional Government ought to make also a provisional electoral law.

Saying that Wishan legislation will be valid until replaced by Pryporskan one except that legislation that was oppresive, unfair corrupt and arbitrary against Pryposkan people and abolishi wishan institutions more hated or deemed more corrupt by Pryposkan people like the secret police. And, ban any activity than could alienate foreign countries wishing to support Pryporska. Like suspending death penalties until a new Pryposkan legislation decides on the matter. --ok making acts that can make foreign countries more symphatetic like: An amnesty law freeing dissidents, political prisioners or conscience ones, allow freedom of association.

Also Pryporska provisional government ought to work with it own Wishan minority with the goal of calming their fears about being under Pryporskan rule. And, try to get foreign investors. And, the same time offering Pryposkans that maybe they didn't support independence in the first place an option better than they had under Wishan rule.

While removing from the administration those that have been collaborating with Wishan tyranical rule. or, like secret police informants or members of paramilitary Whishan organizations.
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Abitub
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Postby Abitub » Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:30 pm

To: Pryporska's Interim Government
From: Confederal Commonwealth Government


It is our opinion that perhaps the best form of government for your nation is a mixture of systems. It is clear that your people want a strong man to defy other strong men who would attack or conquer your nation, however, this can end in your people suffering as much or more before.

Perhaps a mixture of both systems can be put into place with a strong executive, a Constitutional Dictatorship perhaps?

The head of state can remain very powerful but let his advisory cabinet be elected by the people that way at least the dictator get's an ear of his subjects before making any decisions and leaving small local areas to their own rule. We heavily agree with LESS centralization of power to the state.
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