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Postby Witiland » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:32 am

So I was in this one thread encouraging people to see what they have alike with the other side (so what someone likes about the right and the left) and I thought to myself even though I have a lot in common with the left, I have some traits of the right. I've also been interested by different ideologies and political parties,. After talking to a fascist and talking to people on NS I've reached a whole new perspective on politics and government. So what is my book about? Well (I have not worked on the actual draft just some ideas I have) I want it to first discuss about different governments and political systems, introducing the reader to the large variety of systems and introducing the reader to the political compass to better understand the book. I will discuss the weaknesses, strengths, and times that system was successful and failed. Then I will discuss my idea of a good government (one that changes based on the current consequences and certain times) that is constantly changing. So what do you think? I've never written a book and I don't know how to go about it. Any ideas for my book maybe help me brainstorm or tell me if it sounds interesting?
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Postby Silvedania » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:34 am

ok
do you have any experience writing a book?
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Postby Witiland » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:35 am

Silvedania wrote:ok
do you have any experience writing a book?



No, never written one, let alone a political one
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Postby Arisyan » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:37 am

Witiland wrote:So I was in this one thread encouraging people to see what they have alike with the other side (so what someone likes about the right and the left) and I thought to myself even though I have a lot in common with the left, I have some traits of the right. I've also been interested by different ideologies and political parties,. After talking to a fascist and talking to people on NS I've reached a whole new perspective on politics and government. So what is my book about? Well (I have not worked on the actual draft just some ideas I have) I want it to first discuss about different governments and political systems, introducing the reader to the large variety of systems and introducing the reader to the political compass to better understand the book. I will discuss the weaknesses, strengths, and times that system was successful and failed. Then I will discuss my idea of a good government (one that changes based on the current consequences and certain times) that is constantly changing. So what do you think? I've never written a book and I don't know how to go about it. Any ideas for my book maybe help me brainstorm or tell me if it sounds interesting?


It sounds like a good premise, but maybe you should consult another website and organizations before writing it? It has the premise to be a mildly new and interesting topic, but with someone who has no prior experience writing a book, it could be difficult. I wish you good luck though. I admit it sounds interesting, so it would be nice to see it followed through with.

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Postby Atheris » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:38 am

Writing is fucking hard, man. Trust me, I've been doing it for nearly 2 years and still suck at it.

Don't expect your writing to get glowing reviews. Low expectations are how I run my fics, and I get pleasantly surprised by positive reviews that I don't expect.

Get editors and beta readers. These are your two most important assets. Without editors and beta readers, putting a work out is basically equivalent to putting out a Youtube video without even opening OBS or whatever recording software is used.

Brainstorm, brainstorm, brainstorm. Do it often, do it good.
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Postby Witiland » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:39 am

Arisyan wrote:
Witiland wrote:So I was in this one thread encouraging people to see what they have alike with the other side (so what someone likes about the right and the left) and I thought to myself even though I have a lot in common with the left, I have some traits of the right. I've also been interested by different ideologies and political parties,. After talking to a fascist and talking to people on NS I've reached a whole new perspective on politics and government. So what is my book about? Well (I have not worked on the actual draft just some ideas I have) I want it to first discuss about different governments and political systems, introducing the reader to the large variety of systems and introducing the reader to the political compass to better understand the book. I will discuss the weaknesses, strengths, and times that system was successful and failed. Then I will discuss my idea of a good government (one that changes based on the current consequences and certain times) that is constantly changing. So what do you think? I've never written a book and I don't know how to go about it. Any ideas for my book maybe help me brainstorm or tell me if it sounds interesting?


It sounds like a good premise, but maybe you should consult another website and organizations before writing it? It has the premise to be a mildly new and interesting topic, but with someone who has no prior experience writing a book, it could be difficult. I wish you good luck though. I admit it sounds interesting, so it would be nice to see it followed through with.



Thank you, I'm might look up some YouTube videos and do some research, I'm trying to write a book not too different from Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto, but with my own ideas and beliefs.
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Postby Tsaivao » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:40 am

It would also be extremely helpful to consult experts in the field. If there's a local university or you happen to know any professors in political science or history or whatever, speaking to them some about your premise will greatly benefit.

If you're already an academic, you can also try to work on some pol sci courses or whatever else you may need.
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Postby Silvedania » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:40 am

Witiland wrote:
Silvedania wrote:ok
do you have any experience writing a book?



No, never written one, let alone a political one

ok
neither have I, but I read a lot of books and I can tell you that a book like this can be either really good or really bad.
Make sure to do your research.
From what I know from writing essays in school, a first step would be figuring out the basic principles of what you want to say. Then organize them into chapters.
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Postby Witiland » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:42 am

Silvedania wrote:
Witiland wrote:

No, never written one, let alone a political one

ok
neither have I, but I read a lot of books and I can tell you that a book like this can be either really good or really bad.
Make sure to do your research.
From what I know from writing essays in school, a first step would be figuring out the basic principles of what you want to say. Then organize them into chapters.



I'm might start working on it tomorrow, got lots of work to do, but I'm so excited :)
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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:44 am

Witiland wrote:So I was in this one thread encouraging people to see what they have alike with the other side (so what someone likes about the right and the left) and I thought to myself even though I have a lot in common with the left, I have some traits of the right. I've also been interested by different ideologies and political parties,. After talking to a fascist and talking to people on NS I've reached a whole new perspective on politics and government. So what is my book about? Well (I have not worked on the actual draft just some ideas I have) I want it to first discuss about different governments and political systems, introducing the reader to the large variety of systems and introducing the reader to the political compass to better understand the book. I will discuss the weaknesses, strengths, and times that system was successful and failed. Then I will discuss my idea of a good government (one that changes based on the current consequences and certain times) that is constantly changing. So what do you think? I've never written a book and I don't know how to go about it. Any ideas for my book maybe help me brainstorm or tell me if it sounds interesting?

As a nerd for politics I love the concept, and just give me the name of the book when you publish it. But I don’t think it’s gonna be easy. How many pages do you intend the book to be?

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Postby Tranzoria » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:47 am

Witiland wrote:
Silvedania wrote:ok
neither have I, but I read a lot of books and I can tell you that a book like this can be either really good or really bad.
Make sure to do your research.
From what I know from writing essays in school, a first step would be figuring out the basic principles of what you want to say. Then organize them into chapters.



I'm might start working on it tomorrow, got lots of work to do, but I'm so excited :)

Think about it before, don't rush. You need to plan it, if you write it along you could end up with no ties to the story later in, well, the story.
Also, YouTube vids for writing sukcs. Masterclass is better.
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Postby Witiland » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:51 am

Tranzoria wrote:
Witiland wrote:

I'm might start working on it tomorrow, got lots of work to do, but I'm so excited :)

Think about it before, don't rush. You need to plan it, if you write it along you could end up with no ties to the story later in, well, the story.
Also, YouTube vids for writing sukcs. Masterclass is better.


I think I have masterclass, I have to check it out
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Postby Witiland » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:53 am

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Witiland wrote:So I was in this one thread encouraging people to see what they have alike with the other side (so what someone likes about the right and the left) and I thought to myself even though I have a lot in common with the left, I have some traits of the right. I've also been interested by different ideologies and political parties,. After talking to a fascist and talking to people on NS I've reached a whole new perspective on politics and government. So what is my book about? Well (I have not worked on the actual draft just some ideas I have) I want it to first discuss about different governments and political systems, introducing the reader to the large variety of systems and introducing the reader to the political compass to better understand the book. I will discuss the weaknesses, strengths, and times that system was successful and failed. Then I will discuss my idea of a good government (one that changes based on the current consequences and certain times) that is constantly changing. So what do you think? I've never written a book and I don't know how to go about it. Any ideas for my book maybe help me brainstorm or tell me if it sounds interesting?

As a nerd for politics I love the concept, and just give me the name of the book when you publish it. But I don’t think it’s gonna be easy. How many pages do you intend the book to be?


IDK although at least 100 pages most likely, depends on how i decide to write it...
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Postby Silvedania » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:53 am

Tranzoria wrote:
Witiland wrote:

I'm might start working on it tomorrow, got lots of work to do, but I'm so excited :)

Think about it before, don't rush. You need to plan it, if you write it along you could end up with no ties to the story later in, well, the story.
Also, YouTube vids for writing sukcs. Masterclass is better.

Masterclass isn't free. From the research I just did, the writing tools online look like a good start. Don't pay for anything though. You might change your mind later.

You definitely should plan though.
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Postby Witiland » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:55 am

Silvedania wrote:
Tranzoria wrote:Think about it before, don't rush. You need to plan it, if you write it along you could end up with no ties to the story later in, well, the story.
Also, YouTube vids for writing sukcs. Masterclass is better.

Masterclass isn't free. From the research I just did, the writing tools online look like a good start. Don't pay for anything though. You might change your mind later.

You definitely should plan though.



I will take all this advice into consideration!
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:02 am

If you do take on writing this book, I recommend you look at the early years of the Spanish Falangist rule, and more importantly Antonio de Oliviera Salazar’s corporatist model, which treats the state as an organ, and forms much of the basis of fascist economic theory along with class collaboration. Make sure, however, that everything in your research is factual and when possible, use primary sources. Politics is a topic that is very sensitive, so misinformation can invite lots of public backlash.

Also, I recommend looking at one particular example, Rwanda under Kagame now, which is set to become the most developed country in Africa and is being nicknamed "The African Lion" (much like the Asian Tigers of the 20th century, Singapore, South Korea, and Taiwan). Kagame is a dictator, and even he acknowledges that, but not having to worry about re election and with nothing more to really gain for himself, he has set out to improve his country which suffered from a genocide just 12 years ago
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Postby Witiland » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:04 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:If you do take on writing this book, I recommend you look at the early years of the Spanish Falangist rule, and more importantly Antonio de Oliviera Salazar’s corporatist model, which treats the state as an organ, and forms much of the basis of fascist economic theory along with class collaboration. Make sure, however, that everything in your research is factual and when possible, use primary sources. Politics is a topic that is very sensitive, so misinformation can invite lots of public backlash.

Also, I recommend looking at one particular example, Rwanda under Kagame now, which is set to become the most developed country in Africa and is being nicknamed "The African Lion" (much like the Asian Tigers of the 20th century, Singapore, South Korea, and Taiwan). Kagame is a dictator, and even he acknowledges that, but not having to worry about re election and with nothing more to really gain for himself, he has set out to improve his country which suffered from a genocide just 12 years ago



Any other topics i should definitely cover in my book?
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Postby Nuroblav » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:23 am

Heh. I started doing a book like that once, but it turned out to be one of these projects I get quickly bored of and abandon. Not that I don't recommend it - that sort of thing happens with me all the time :lol:

For someone who hasn't written a book before, this does sound like a tricky project but if it interests you (and it sounds like it does), then by all means go for it. As for other advice, don't expect it to go far, especially for a first project. Also make sure that the research is done quite thoroughly - talking to experts in that area or people who themselves follow the ideology (that last one should be easy here).

And plan. Plan well with what you're actually doing to make sure the book goes well.

That aside, good luck! :)
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:32 am

Witiland wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:If you do take on writing this book, I recommend you look at the early years of the Spanish Falangist rule, and more importantly Antonio de Oliviera Salazar’s corporatist model, which treats the state as an organ, and forms much of the basis of fascist economic theory along with class collaboration. Make sure, however, that everything in your research is factual and when possible, use primary sources. Politics is a topic that is very sensitive, so misinformation can invite lots of public backlash.

Also, I recommend looking at one particular example, Rwanda under Kagame now, which is set to become the most developed country in Africa and is being nicknamed "The African Lion" (much like the Asian Tigers of the 20th century, Singapore, South Korea, and Taiwan). Kagame is a dictator, and even he acknowledges that, but not having to worry about re election and with nothing more to really gain for himself, he has set out to improve his country which suffered from a genocide just 12 years ago



Any other topics i should definitely cover in my book?

Those are the ones I can think off the top of my head, at least from a third positionist fascistic point of view, you may want to get input from liberals, moderate conservatives, centrists, and leftists to get balanced nuanced perspectives
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Postby Witiland » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:36 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Witiland wrote:

Any other topics i should definitely cover in my book?

Those are the ones I can think off the top of my head, at least from a third positionist fascistic point of view, you may want to get input from liberals, moderate conservatives, centrists, and leftists to get balanced nuanced perspectives


Yes getting some conservative POVs will be easy for me since I live in a conservative household, although some more liberal ones will be harder...

I could get some opinions here on NS since its people from all around the world.
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Postby Chan Island » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:10 am

Books are a giant endeavour friend. I've spent years on one and even that is barely in the redrafting stage.

A good place to start would actually be to look up how to write a book in general, not just a political one. Lots of useful cross-genre tips and tricks are really easy to pick up, and they just help bolster you to be a more serious writer.

Then there is the writer's rule 1; READ. Read as much as you can, especially if you're intent on specialising in a non-fiction field of knowledge. Not only is it a great way to research, but in doing so you learn a bit about how to write, by following the formulas and tricks that others have trail-blazed before.

Finally, for a project like this, you need experts. Your book will be so much better if it's quoting Professor X, PHD, of the Politics Department from a university then if you're just talking to your friends, family and randos on the internet.

Good luck! I really hope you try your hand at this and make something good. I'll be sure to get a copy when it's done. :)
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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:11 am

Witiland wrote:
Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:As a nerd for politics I love the concept, and just give me the name of the book when you publish it. But I don’t think it’s gonna be easy. How many pages do you intend the book to be?


IDK although at least 100 pages most likely, depends on how i decide to write it...

Well, good luck. It’s gonna take some time tho.

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Firstly, the absolute best of luck to ya mate!
Secondly, I think a lot of people in the thread have nailed what you need to do:
Atheris wrote:Brainstorm, brainstorm, brainstorm. Do it often, do it good.

Tsaivao wrote:It would also be extremely helpful to consult experts in the field. If there's a local university or you happen to know any professors in political science or history or whatever, speaking to them some about your premise will greatly benefit.

Chan Island wrote:Read as much as you can, especially if you're intent on specialising in a non-fiction field of knowledge. Not only is it a great way to research, but in doing so you learn a bit about how to write, by following the formulas and tricks that others have trail-blazed before.

Thirdly, make sure you draft, draft, and draft some more. Expect to spend the vast majority of your time editing the book, and have others look over every draft to get good input. Be sure to keep in mind that books such as yours will likely not spread outside of small polsci circles, if that. The days of intellectuals are nearly completely over, and the next generation is unlikely to read anything most of us on NS would write. Don't expect to sell out stocks. Hopefully, we can be pleasantly surprised by how well it will do! Please keep me updated on the progress, and if you ever need people to look over it, don't hesitate to telegram me!
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:17 am

For political books, there are likely two routes for success; but timing is sort of crucial for both. Your book can either be like the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx which was revolutionary and new and influential at the time it was published. Books which are objectively speaking, a good read or persuasive in terms of ideas will find some if not big success.

In Communism's case, I'd contend that more people agreed that the excesses of Capitalism during the Industrial Revolution as it effected the working class, was bullshit that was perhaps worth revolting against. For obvious reasons, many people found appeal in Communist movements as a result of what went on back then with tons of poverty/wage inequality combined with rediculous working hours.

The other route to success for a political book is the Mein Kampf route where the book isn't necessarily written well enough to be a good read, but nonetheless lays out an ideology and becomes relevant or popular because of a later event making it so.

Adolf Hitler's literary work was virtually unknown until after he managed to seize absolute power over Germany in early 1933. Because of those circumstances, everyone overnight suddenly wanted a copy of his book to figure out what his movement even was and where he was coming from if they weren't already aware.
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