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What if America joined the EU?

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I think the U.S should join the EU, I'll explain why.
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I don't think the U.S should join the EU, I'll explain why.
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What if America joined the EU?

Postby Sundiata » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:30 am

Yes, I know what you're thinking. Two different hemispheres.

However, if we put the namesake of the EU aside for a moment, I think that would be a positive development, not just for Europe, or the United States, but the world. EU member countries tend to top the charts of human development and it would be nice to see the American variants as part of an interhemispheric supernational structure. There are a variety of opinions here, some pro-EU, some quite euro-skeptic. There are some who believe the U.S to be a force for good in the world, some who disagree. It's also been posed to me that the entry of the United States into the union would establish a trend of American dominance as well. I personally disagree.

All of that noted, I'd like to hear your opinion.
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Postby Baltoslavija » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:33 am

While it doesn't make sense for the US to be a part of the EU, it would be cool to merge NATO and the EU and have a sort of Atlantic Economic Union. It could be called the NAU
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Postby Xmara » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:34 am

Well then the EU would have to change their name because the US isn't in Europe
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:36 am

Xmara wrote:Well then the EU would have to change their name because the US isn't in Europe


My thoughts exactly.
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:36 am

Xmara wrote:Well then the EU would have to change their name because the US isn't in Europe

Sanctifying.
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Postby Baltoslavija » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:37 am

It may be better for there to be something similar to the EU in North America as well.

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Postby Imperium Latine » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:37 am

Please don't, EU is already a mess, we don't need to add the US to the pot.
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:39 am

Baltoslavija wrote:It may be better for there to be something similar to the EU in North America as well.

This should occur immediately, to be quite frank. It would likely soothe the ethnic and religious tensions that already exist in the western hemisphere.
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Postby Tranzoria » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:40 am

Enough about Unions and Names, there would be SEVERE economic change, and depending on how the Europeans react, rise or fall.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:41 am

Xmara wrote:Well then the EU would have to change their name because the US isn't in Europe

Welp, that point has been made. There's no need for me anymore...
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Postby Karakars » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:44 am

I believe CETA was proposed as a first step to make this happen.

If that hot mess of corporate power-grabbing and obligatory lowering of product manufacturing standards is the result of US and EU joining forces, then it is NOT beneficial to any ordinary people.

NO, therefore.

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Postby Tarturous » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:44 am

If we joined the EU we would be completely enslaved by communists, socialists, Islamists, and countless other such heresies and degeneracies that are allowed to run amok in the despoiled home of world enlightenment

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Postby Sundiata » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:48 am

Tarturous wrote:If we joined the EU we would be completely enslaved by communists, socialists, Islamists, and countless other such heresies and degeneracies that are allowed to run amok in the despoiled home of world enlightenment

Nope, the Catholic Church is older than the United States, older than Communism, older than Socialism, older than Islam. We will not be defeated.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:48 am

Tarturous wrote:If we joined the EU we would be completely enslaved by communists, socialists, Islamists, and countless other such heresies and degeneracies that are allowed to run amok in the despoiled home of world enlightenment

The EU isn't communist. A bit too socially progressive, yes, but not anything that bad. I don't think the U.S. should join, but we wouldn't become a dystopia if we did.
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Postby Baltoslavija » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:50 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Tarturous wrote:If we joined the EU we would be completely enslaved by communists, socialists, Islamists, and countless other such heresies and degeneracies that are allowed to run amok in the despoiled home of world enlightenment

The EU isn't communist. A bit too socially progressive, yes, but not anything that bad. I don't think the U.S. should join, but we wouldn't become a dystopia if we did.

We should make a North American Union with Canada and after a while maybe let Mexico join if they stabilize.

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Postby Sundiata » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:52 am

Baltoslavija wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:The EU isn't communist. A bit too socially progressive, yes, but not anything that bad. I don't think the U.S. should join, but we wouldn't become a dystopia if we did.

We should make a North American Union with Canada and after a while maybe let Mexico join if they stabilize.

I'd like to see every country in South and Central America join such a union, if possible. It would be a great means of addressing the ethnic and religious tension in our hemisphere.
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Postby Baltoslavija » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:53 am

Sundiata wrote:
Baltoslavija wrote:We should make a North American Union with Canada and after a while maybe let Mexico join if they stabilize.

I'd like to every country in South and Central America join such a union, if possible. It would be a great means of addressing the ethnic and religious tension in our hemisphere.

I agree, but their stability is a major issue.

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Postby Brutain » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:56 am

Baltoslavija wrote:We should make a North American Union with Canada and after a while maybe let Mexico join if they stabilize.


That's what NAFTA was for, right? How did that work out for the average man and woman?

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Postby Sundiata » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:56 am

Baltoslavija wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I'd like to every country in South and Central America join such a union, if possible. It would be a great means of addressing the ethnic and religious tension in our hemisphere.

I agree, but their stability is a major issue.

I think that can be maintained with an American military presence and evidence-based policy changes.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:56 am

Baltoslavija wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:The EU isn't communist. A bit too socially progressive, yes, but not anything that bad. I don't think the U.S. should join, but we wouldn't become a dystopia if we did.

We should make a North American Union with Canada and after a while maybe let Mexico join if they stabilize.

We should abandon neoliberalism and fight for better healthcare. I don't know how an American Union would play out though.
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:58 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Baltoslavija wrote:We should make a North American Union with Canada and after a while maybe let Mexico join if they stabilize.

We should abandon neoliberalism and fight for better healthcare. I don't know how an American Union would play out though.

Universal healthcare and free market policies can exist at the same time.
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Postby Theberstan » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:59 am

What’s the point of doing so?
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Postby Nakena » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:59 am

It would just create an ever bigger clusterfuck for everyone involved.

So no. Also the TTIP would have brought things close to that. Thankfully it never happened.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:00 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Baltoslavija wrote:We should make a North American Union with Canada and after a while maybe let Mexico join if they stabilize.

I'd like to see every country in South and Central America join such a union, if possible. It would be a great means of addressing the ethnic and religious tension in our hemisphere.


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Postby Sundiata » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:01 pm

Brutain wrote:
Baltoslavija wrote:We should make a North American Union with Canada and after a while maybe let Mexico join if they stabilize.


That's what NAFTA was for, right? How did that work out for the average man and woman?

In my opinion, fantastic. But NAFTA doesn't go far enough. There needs to be open borders, and free movement of goods and people. Americans should be allowed free movement between Canada and Mexico.
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