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Hungary to Constitutionally Mandate Christian Gender Roles

Postby Shrillland » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:23 pm

More specifically, a draft amendment to the constitution by Victor Orban's Justice Minister Judit Varga would effectively outlaw transgendered people and further enshrine heterosexual marriage as the only acceptable form: https://www.yahoo.com/news/hungary-government-proposes-constitutional-amendment-201119894.html

BUDAPEST (Reuters) - Hungary's government proposed a constitutional amendment on Tuesday requiring children to be raised with a Christian interpretation of gender roles, as Prime Minister Viktor Orban's ruling nationalists turn to anti-LGBT rhetoric to shore up support.

The draft amendment submitted to parliament by Justice Minister Judit Varga declares that children must be guaranteed an "upbringing based on values stemming from Hungary's ... Christian culture."

"The basis for family relations is marriage," it says. "The mother is a woman, the father is a man."

It also says Hungary "protects children's right to the gender identity they were born with," using language consistent with a government campaign to outlaw transgender identities.

Orban's nationalist Fidesz party and his political allies, the small Christian democratic party KDNP, face elections in early 2022 with their grip on power potentially weakened by the COVID-19 pandemic and its economic impact.

In past years, Orban's government has mostly focused on condemnation of immigration in Europe. But it has increasingly turned to anti-LGBT rhetoric as the pandemic hit the economy, following the example of the ruling nationalist PiS party in nearby Poland which made homophobia the centrepiece of its campaign in an election this year.

In May, Hungary banned gender changes in personal documents. It has also taken issue with children's books that portray diversity positively.

In part of Tuesday's bill explaining the justification for the new constitutional amendment, the government said it was needed to protect children "from new, modern ideological trends in the Western world ... that pose a threat to children's right for healthy development".

Deputy Prime Minister Zsolt Semjen said last week that Hungary should enshrine in its constitution a ban on "gender propaganda" to protect children. He also said gays should not be allowed to adopt children and start families.

The Hungarian LGBT community fears now that it could become the target of concerted political attacks ahead of the 2022 election.


And it does indeed say in the amendment that a woman is a woman and a man is a man. So, NSG, what's your view on this?

Horrific but expected is my take. Just like Poland, Hungary can no longer demonise immigrants, so they have to turn to some kind of internal enemy instead.
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:41 pm

The EU needs to sack up and give Poland and Hungary the boot. Let them deal with the Russians on their own if they're so passionately committed to tearing down the European ideals of liberal democracy.
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Postby Chan Island » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:48 pm

Senkaku wrote:The EU needs to sack up and give Poland and Hungary the boot. Let them deal with the Russians on their own if they're so passionately committed to tearing down the European ideals of liberal democracy.


Yeah, this to be honest. How many more times can Hungary be allowed to go so flagrantly against the spirit of being an EU member before the EU decides that membership should actually mean something? How is it acceptable to have a country that outlaws trans people in the club?
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Postby Railroad Crossing » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:49 pm

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Postby Esalia » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:51 pm

This is disgusting.

Honestly the EU should kick out Hungary if they want to continue down this path.
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Postby Kathol Rift » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:53 pm

Joke’s on them, with the Pope approving gay marriage, Christian gender roles isn’t what they think it is

This is just disappointing in the modern world though, honestly.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:53 pm

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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:03 pm

It's not just "Christian gender roles". The amendment also clearly says that it bans children from engaging in mutlitating "transitions" and puberty blocking, BECAUSE PUBERTY IS NOT A DISEASE. These gender roles are clearly defined in all three Abrahamic faiths, in all of Western society before the sexual anarchy and moral collapse, and moreso, in most (but not all) cultures around the world.

"Transitioning" is an activity to be performed by consenting adults and anything- anything -of that vein done to minors is the very definition of child abuse. Likewise, both acting on and promoting homosexuality is an activity between consenting adults and the promotion of the same should only be given to people mature enough to understand it.

The biggest and most positive development of this is the prohibition of the government forcing homosexual propaganda on children. I crave such a prohibition in this country, which would also require a constitutional amendment. The LGB lobby sometimes strugles with persuading adults (which is why almost two-thirds of the states defiend marriage against them), so they brainwash captive audiences and impressionable youth through, respectively, forcing acceptance in schools and sneaking glorification of such behavior in mass media, such as cartoons.

If they had some absolute moral truth in LGB politics, they would not have to go around parents and force children into their view that their behaviors are right and holy. Speaking as a man who thinks the Blaine Amendment is the best concept in America's religious relations, I am ecstatic by the fact that the Church does not have that power to compel religion. The LGB lobby does, and that must be removed from them.

Embracing and promoting homosexuality is a sign of moral decay and the collapse of both societal and government mores. Almost every (but not all) empires that have collapsed had sexual anarchy at their forefront when they died for a reason.

The American Church is complacent. THey have never known hardship, never faced any persecution, and have not fought for any social cause in over fifty years. We let no-fault divorce take over without a peep, and no-fault divorce is far worse than homosexuality.

Personally, I'd be fine with Civil Unions in my country. They are economic contracts.
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Postby Esalia » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:09 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Likewise, homosexuality is an activity between consenting adults and the promotion of the same should only be given to people mature enough to understand it.


It's kinda weird to call an attraction an "activity", unless hunger is now also an activity.

The biggest and most positive development of this is the prohibition of the government forcing homosexual propaganda on children. I crave such a prohibition in this country, which would also require a constitutional amendment. The LGB lobby often strugles with persuading adults (which is why almost two-thirds of the states defiend marriage against them), so they brainwash captive audiences and inpressionable youth through, respectively, forcing acceptance in schools and sneaking glorification degenerate behavior in mass media, such as cartoons.


lol.

If they had some absolute moral truth in LGB politics, they would not have to go around parents and force children into their view that their behaviors are right and holy.


Unsurprisingly, when you indoctrinate people that homosexuality is a sin and is evil, it's kinda hard to convince them otherwise.

This says little about the correctness of homosexuality. It would be hard for you to convince a society that believes that heterosexuality is a sin and evil and the only way one should reproduce is through IVF that heterosexuality is not sinful and evil.

Embracing and promoting homosexuality is a sign of moral decay and the collapse of both societal and government mores. Almost every (but not all) empires that have collapsed had sexual degeneracy at their forefront when they died for a reason.


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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:10 pm

Kathol Rift wrote:Joke’s on them, with the Pope approving gay marriage.


Bull. Crap.

Pope Francis- who is a weak and cowardly ruler in his own right -has never wished for the Church to endorse homosexuality, sodomy, or any form of sexual deviancy. He stated that he supported the secular governments of the world allowing for Civil Unions.

I would be okay with Civil Unions.

Civil Unions are economic contracts, legal associations, and shared housing agreements. While they enable and normalize evil behavior through creating a legal framework for sodomy and cohabitation, they do not encroach on marriage or the definition therein.

That is what the Pope was okay with.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:13 pm

Kathol Rift wrote:Joke’s on them, with the Pope approving gay marriage, Christian gender roles isn’t what they think it is

This is just disappointing in the modern world though, honestly.


Not quite, no. The Pope said civil unions are fine for gays, not the sacrament of marriage.
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TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Embracing and promoting homosexuality is a sign of moral decay and the collapse of both societal and government mores. Almost every (but not all) empires that have collapsed had sexual anarchy at their forefront when they died for a reason.

Alright, name 7 empires that have collapsed as a direct result of promoting homosexuality.
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Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Who cares about Hungary?


Hungarians.
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:16 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:-snip-

That's all well and good. If the Hungarian and Polish governments agree, that's their business. But the European Union and most of its member states have made it clear that they don't agree with your line of thinking and indeed consider it antithetical to their principles. Why should they allow Hungary and Poland to continue to openly flout what all the other EU powers recognize as European ideals-- and indeed, if they're truly committed to the beliefs you outline, why would Hungary and Poland want to maintain close ties with countries that are apparently raging dens on sin and iniquity?
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Postby New haven america » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:16 pm

Why don't we just take Poland and Hungary and push them somewhere else?
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Esalia wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Who cares about Hungary?


Hungarians.

Okay, I guess them. But their nation has done nothing of importance since at least October 15th, 1944 and at most since November 1st, 1918.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:16 pm

This is your country on fundamentalism.

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Albrenia wrote:This is your country on fundamentalism.

I hope Hungary is able to crawl out from under the fat ass of these sorts of beliefs one day soon.


With their current president, I doubt it.
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What's a Hungarian priest who molests young boys then?
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Postauthoritarian America wrote:What's a Hungarian priest who molests young boys then?

Not every priest molests young boys. If they do that, their membership in the Church doesn't matter to me. They're disgusting.
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TURTLESHROOM II wrote:"Transitioning" is an activity to be performed by consenting adults and anything- anything -of that vein done to minors is the very definition of child abuse. Likewise, both acting on and promoting homosexuality is an activity between consenting adults and the promotion of the same should only be given to people mature enough to understand it.


Why is it always that promoting homosexual relationships or relations always "child abuse" or "shouldn't be shown to minors until they can 'understand' it", but it's perfectly okay for kids to watch any number of heterosexual romantic comedies? What's that? Because the real reason is that people are shortsighted and are literally capable of feeling true anger or hatred towards others for the sex of the person they sleep with? No, that can't possibly be it.

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Embracing and promoting homosexuality is a sign of moral decay and the collapse of both societal and government mores. Almost every (but not all) empires that have collapsed had sexual anarchy at their forefront when they died for a reason.


I'm just dying for a source on this.

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Hungarians.


I mean... are we sure about this?
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:22 pm

Senkaku wrote:
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:-snip-

That's all well and good. If the Hungarian and Polish governments agree, that's their business. But the European Union and most of its member states have made it clear that they don't agree with your line of thinking and indeed consider it antithetical to their principles. Why should they allow Hungary and Poland to continue to openly flout what all the other EU powers recognize as European ideals-- and indeed, if they're truly committed to the beliefs you outline, why would Hungary and Poland want to maintain close ties with countries that are apparently raging dens on sin and iniquity?


European ideals? Europe doesn't have collective ideals. It's a patchwork of dying empires who haven't caught on to the onset of their irrelevance.
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:22 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Hungarians.

Okay, I guess them. But their nation has done nothing of importance since at least October 15th, 1944 and at most since November 1st, 1918.

The '56 Revolution doesn't even get an honorable mention? I mean, I'm used to my fellow Americans being incredibly ignorant of history and world affairs, but I thought that one was at least sort of common knowledge. Fucking come on, dude.
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Senkaku wrote:That's all well and good. If the Hungarian and Polish governments agree, that's their business. But the European Union and most of its member states have made it clear that they don't agree with your line of thinking and indeed consider it antithetical to their principles. Why should they allow Hungary and Poland to continue to openly flout what all the other EU powers recognize as European ideals-- and indeed, if they're truly committed to the beliefs you outline, why would Hungary and Poland want to maintain close ties with countries that are apparently raging dens on sin and iniquity?


European ideals? Europe doesn't have collective ideals.

The European Union certainly does, as do its component countries. They're written down, in fact. If you want to speak of a nebulously-defined idealization of "Europe," then sure, whatever, but that's not what we're discussing.
It's a patchwork of dying empires who haven't caught on to the onset of their irrelevance.

And? How is this relevant to what I said?
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