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Why do environmentalists hate nuclear energy?

Postby No State Here » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:08 am

Nuclear energy has shown time and time again to be the fastest and most efficient way to switch from fossil fuels to clean energy, nuclear energy is clean and contrary to what you may have heard, is also the safest form of energy. Nuclear power provides extremely efficient generation for its relatively low cost, and the nuclear waste generated is very small volumes which can be safely buried in steel canisters underground. Adding to the already long list of benefits, nuclear plants require a large amount of people to operate, creating many new jobs. Nuclear plants, as compared to other clean energy sources, generate massive amounts of energy for a fraction of the cost, and take up less space when compared to sprawling solar plants and wind farms.

What are the downsides to nuclear? It’s not renewable, and occasionally disasters occur that gets mass media attention. Contrary to popular belief, however, nuclear disasters are extremely rare and, when they do happen, very few people die, and despite former fears, the environment in the surrounding area has been shown to recover after a while. Three Mile Island and Chernobyl released less radiation than modern nuclear power plants produce, and Fukushima’s accident was caused by a tsunami, all of the "disaster deaths" there weren’t due to anything related to the plant itself. When tallying up "death counts" from all forms of energy, nuclear is actually the safest, accidents at coal and fossil fuels generating plants happen all the time but receive little to no media attention

With everything being said, one would reasonably expect environmentalists and activists to enthusiastically support nuclear energy, but strangely, they don’t. Some of the world’s most famous environmental activists, such as Former Vice President Al Gore and Swedish activist Greta Thunberg have spoken out against nuclear, citing the above mentioned isolated incidents as evidence that every nuclear power plant is bad or something. The world’s leading environmental activist group, Greenpeace, has states they oppose nuclear power. Why is that the case?
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Postby Langenia » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:09 am

Chernobyl?
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Postby Atheris » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:10 am

Because of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island.

You know, those isolated events that really only happened because of poor management and the use of uranium.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:11 am

Because they don't understand probability.
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Postby No State Here » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:11 am

Langenia wrote:Chernobyl?

I addressed that in the OP

Nuclear is, by statistics, the safest form of energy, even safer than wind
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:12 am

I don't know. I guess because they want to profit of windfarms, which will need to be build in way larger quantities than nuclear plants to make the same amount of energy.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:12 am

Not all of them do. James Lovelock for example is a supporter of Environmentalist for Nuclear Energy.

Personally I think it is just the history of the protestors from the fifties through to the eighties, the issue of nuclear weapons and nuclear power were seen as the same issue.
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Postby Langenia » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:13 am

No State Here wrote:
Langenia wrote:Chernobyl?

I addressed that in the OP

Nuclear is, by statistics, the safest form of energy, even safer than wind


I see. Other then that, I don't see why.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:13 am

Atheris wrote:Because of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island.

You know, those isolated events that really only happened because of poor management and the use of uranium.


Three Mile Island had minimal negative health effects if any. And most certainly less negative health effects than if a coal power plant had been there.
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Postby Atheris » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:16 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Atheris wrote:Because of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island.

You know, those isolated events that really only happened because of poor management and the use of uranium.


Three Mile Island had minimal negative health effects if any. And most certainly less negative health effects than if a coal power plant had been there.

Yes, I'm aware. I'm quite the advocate for nuclear energy.
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Postby Porotia » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:18 am

Environmentalists who hate nuclear energy do not do enough research on the nuclear power as a clean form of energy. They do not understand the power of the mighty atom, and thus they fear it. They see it only as a thing of unfathomable danger and destruction, resulting from public views on nuclear power and nuclear weapons from science fiction movies and video games.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:19 am

No State Here wrote:Three Mile Island and Chernobyl released less radiation than modern nuclear power plants produce

This sentence is a bit disingenuous, as the crucial difference is that in the latter cases it is contained.
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Postby Atheris » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:20 am

Porotia wrote:They do not understand the power of the mighty atom, and thus they fear it.

"The members of the Church of the Children of Atom worship Megaton's atomic bomb."
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:20 am

No State Here wrote:
Langenia wrote:Chernobyl?

I addressed that in the OP

Nuclear is, by statistics, the safest form of energy, even safer than wind


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As for why environmentalist don't care ? Well the people who die in wind and solar are typically maintenance workers who are predominately brown and black. Environmentalist are largely suburb white people who only measure deaths they see in the suburb white community.
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Postby Anatoliyanskiy » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:21 am

Possibly because of the radiation caused by it, and where we store it. If we can find a safe way to dispose of nuclear waste, then I'm all for it. But for now, I'm a little skeptical. Just a tad.
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Atheris wrote:
Porotia wrote:They do not understand the power of the mighty atom, and thus they fear it.

"The members of the Church of the Children of Atom worship Megaton's atomic bomb."


Haha, I wasn't intentionally referencing the Children of Atom, but you gave me a chuckle. Thanks.
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Greed and Death wrote:
Atheris wrote:Because of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island.

You know, those isolated events that really only happened because of poor management and the use of uranium.


Three Mile Island had minimal negative health effects if any. And most certainly less negative health effects than if a coal power plant had been there.

Tell that to President Carter.

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Postby No State Here » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:22 am

Anatoliyanskiy wrote:Possibly because of the radiation caused by it, and where we store it. If we can find a safe way to dispose of nuclear waste, then I'm all for it. But for now, I'm a little skeptical. Just a tad.

We have a way, burying it underground in steel canisters. It has less of an effect on the environment than wind turbines, which have been known to cause declines in bird populations
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No State Here wrote:
Anatoliyanskiy wrote:Possibly because of the radiation caused by it, and where we store it. If we can find a safe way to dispose of nuclear waste, then I'm all for it. But for now, I'm a little skeptical. Just a tad.

We have a way, burying it underground in steel canisters. It has less of an effect on the environment than wind turbines, which have been known to cause declines in bird populations


Alright, I guess we could bury it underground in like a desert. That could work. Hm. I'm warming up to this.
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Postby Porotia » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:24 am

Anatoliyanskiy wrote:Possibly because of the radiation caused by it, and where we store it. If we can find a safe way to dispose of nuclear waste, then I'm all for it. But for now, I'm a little skeptical. Just a tad.


Yeah, I see your point about nuclear waste. It needs high maintenance, and storing it is very tricky. Just look at the Rocky Flats Plant.
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No State Here wrote:
Anatoliyanskiy wrote:Possibly because of the radiation caused by it, and where we store it. If we can find a safe way to dispose of nuclear waste, then I'm all for it. But for now, I'm a little skeptical. Just a tad.

We have a way, burying it underground in steel canisters. It has less of an effect on the environment than wind turbines, which have been known to cause declines in bird populations

The latter is being fixed, painting one blade black significantly reduces bird strikes.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:24 am

Coal kills far more than nuclear annually. On a cost/benefit analysis compared to coal, I would certainly include nuclear as one of the viable types of clean energy to fight against climate change.

The problem here, however, is that nuclear power is expensive, with delays and cost overruns. Mainly because of strict regulations that came after Chernobyl and Fukushima. With the urgency of the fight against climate change, needless to say I'm not very on board with using nuclear energy. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... SKBN1W909J

Meanwhile, solar power is getting cheaper, more efficient (especially with the advent of storing batteries), and it's also easier to build and maintain. At this rate it is on track to become the leading type of energy in the fight against climate change. https://www.thesolarnerd.com/blog/will- ... o%20expire.
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because of the nuclear meltdown risk factor, and the storing of radioactive waste

also, it's unnatural
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Anatoliyanskiy wrote:
No State Here wrote:We have a way, burying it underground in steel canisters. It has less of an effect on the environment than wind turbines, which have been known to cause declines in bird populations


Alright, I guess we could bury it underground in like a desert. That could work. Hm. I'm warming up to this.

When putting it in a reinforced steel canister, it’s almost impossible for it to actually be breached by natural causes, and by burying it deep underground, we are mitigating the impact of any potential breach. All of the nuclear waste produced so far is much smaller than you think as well.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:28 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:because of the nuclear meltdown risk factor, and the storing of radioactive waste

also, it's unnatural

Wrong. Nuclear fission and fusion happens in nature.
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