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What's Your Opinion on The Election's Outcome

Mostly Good
94
21%
Good
84
19%
A Little of Both Good and Bad
125
28%
Meh
51
11%
Bad
46
10%
Very Bad
44
10%
 
Total votes : 444

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Postby The Holy Therns » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:22 pm

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The Holy Therns wrote:Do they actually think they can turn this around or are they just being willfully troublesome?

Most reporting seems to show that the main circle of advisors know that it's over. A few diehards (read: idiots) actually think it might happen, like apparently Giuliani.

My theory is that they want to keep the base loyal to Trump for a future media Empire (Trump TV) and a possible run in 2024. They cant do that if he looks like a big fat loser, which he evidently is. If they can make it seem like he was cheated out of it, convince enough people that Trump should still be the President, then he can keep getting the attention he so desperately craves.


Okay, this makes the most sense.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:23 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:Do they actually think they can turn this around or are they just being willfully troublesome?

Most reporting seems to show that the main circle of advisors know that it's over. A few diehards (read: idiots) actually think it might happen, like apparently Giuliani.

My theory is that they want to keep the base loyal to Trump for a future media Empire (Trump TV) and a possible run in 2024. They cant do that if he looks like a big fat loser, which he evidently is. If they can make it seem like he was cheated out of it, convince enough people that Trump should still be the President, then he can keep getting the attention he so desperately craves.


Makes sense that Murdoch media is now turning on Trump then, if he's gonna be competition. Fox News would have never had the balls to cut away from their favoured son's rants before.

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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:23 pm

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Saiwania wrote:All of the states aren't 100% in yet, but it looks to me that Donald Trump would've won this year if the Libertarian candidate wasn't on the ballot and most of that vote went to Trump. He would've won PA, GA, WI, and AZ. Enough for 289. Biden would've won NV and MI regardless, however.

In a way, the election was stolen from Trump, just not by Biden or illegitimately.


237,000 old people votes would probably have helped him too.


If you are implying the current covid-19 death toll of the US (which today is 237,000) are old people, then that is misinformation. :eyebrow:

And I seriously doubt all of them would have voted for Trump.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:24 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Most reporting seems to show that the main circle of advisors know that it's over. A few diehards (read: idiots) actually think it might happen, like apparently Giuliani.

My theory is that they want to keep the base loyal to Trump for a future media Empire (Trump TV) and a possible run in 2024. They cant do that if he looks like a big fat loser, which he evidently is. If they can make it seem like he was cheated out of it, convince enough people that Trump should still be the President, then he can keep getting the attention he so desperately craves.


Makes sense that Murdoch media is now turning on Trump then, if he's gonna be competition. Fox News would have never had the balls to cut away from their favoured son's rants before.

Its saying something when even Fox News won't acknowledge his ridiculous claims.

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Postby Andsed » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:25 pm

Albrenia wrote:I'll give the folks over at TheDonald one thing, they're eternal optimists. They're all smiles and joy at the master plan they've hatched with Trump to put all Democrats and 'RINO's in jail forever (or hanged, as they seem to want) for 'treason'.

You gotta applaud the creativity at least.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:26 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Most reporting seems to show that the main circle of advisors know that it's over. A few diehards (read: idiots) actually think it might happen, like apparently Giuliani.

My theory is that they want to keep the base loyal to Trump for a future media Empire (Trump TV) and a possible run in 2024. They cant do that if he looks like a big fat loser, which he evidently is. If they can make it seem like he was cheated out of it, convince enough people that Trump should still be the President, then he can keep getting the attention he so desperately craves.


Makes sense that Murdoch media is now turning on Trump then, if he's gonna be competition. Fox News would have never had the balls to cut away from their favoured son's rants before.


Perhaps the one person in the world Trump shouldn't want to piss off is Murdoch, that man has a fuckton of resources to destroy your life. He's as psychotic as Trump in his single minded focus to destroy all opposition.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Makes sense that Murdoch media is now turning on Trump then, if he's gonna be competition. Fox News would have never had the balls to cut away from their favoured son's rants before.

Its saying something when even Fox News won't acknowledge his ridiculous claims.


I know supposedly Kushner and Melania told him to concede but the next day they were falling in line with his delusions. Has anyone else of his close inner circle (not the sons Eric and Don, those two are coping with coke so we don’t need to listen to them) advised him to put his big boy pants on and concede?
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Postby Jedi Council » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:27 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Makes sense that Murdoch media is now turning on Trump then, if he's gonna be competition. Fox News would have never had the balls to cut away from their favoured son's rants before.


Perhaps the one person in the world Trump shouldn't want to piss off is Murdoch, that man has a fuckton of resources to destroy your life. He's as psychotic as Trump in his single minded focus to destroy all opposition.


Trump v Murdoch for the next four years would be a dream
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:27 pm

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You don't see any irony within this post?

I see the irony within this post, what Biden says and what AOC says. GMS.


Do you though?

KK: When Biden speaks, he speaks for the Democrats (all of them). Therefore he speaks to the Republicans (all of them)

(That's dubious, but for the sake of argument ...)

KK: Biden is asking all Republicans to compromise with people like (and including) AOC

(Yes, this does seem like an outrageous request, obviously never going to happen, etc)
(But, the irony, or double standard, is that KK does not mention compromises required of Democrats)

Me: If Biden is seriously asking all Democrats to compromise with Donald Trump then he can find his own donkey to ride.

"Compromise" the way KK portrays it -- one side has to sacrifice its principles but the other does not -- is not in any sense compromise.

Therefore KK's 'ironic' characterization of compromise is wrong.
When Biden says "compromise", KK has absolutely no clue what Biden is talking about, and should probably reserve his opinion.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:29 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Its saying something when even Fox News won't acknowledge his ridiculous claims.


I know supposedly Kushner and Melania told him to concede but the next day they were falling in line with his delusions. Has anyone else of his close inner circle (not the sons Eric and Don, those two are coping with coke so we don’t need to listen to them) advised him to put his big boy pants on and concede?


I doubt any of them will and neither will Republicans in Congress. They are too afraid of him and their base even after losing an election fairly and squarely.

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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:29 pm

Well, good thing this election will be over soon. At least the Biden thread won't be a huge circlejerk of "oRaNgE mAn BaD"
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:30 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I know supposedly Kushner and Melania told him to concede but the next day they were falling in line with his delusions. Has anyone else of his close inner circle (not the sons Eric and Don, those two are coping with coke so we don’t need to listen to them) advised him to put his big boy pants on and concede?


I think Kushner and Melaniabare probably still saying concede in private but being more careful about who they let hear it.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I know supposedly Kushner and Melania told him to concede but the next day they were falling in line with his delusions. Has anyone else of his close inner circle (not the sons Eric and Don, those two are coping with coke so we don’t need to listen to them) advised him to put his big boy pants on and concede?


I doubt any of them will and neither will Republicans in Congress. They are too afraid of him and their base even after losing an election fairly and squarely.


How sad. Or rather self-fulfilling. He’s been deluded and cut off from reality his entire presidency. It’s fitting and deserved he goes down in history as a sorry, deluded president. In fact, it’s not sad. It’s actually spicy and I like it.
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Postby Jedi Council » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:31 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Well, good thing this election will be over soon. At least the Biden thread won't be a huge circlejerk of "oRaNgE mAn BaD"

I mean, he was arguably the shittiest President within living memory, so doing think him losing is going to make the criticism of him disappear too
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:31 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I doubt any of them will and neither will Republicans in Congress. They are too afraid of him and their base even after losing an election fairly and squarely.


How sad. Or rather self-fulfilling. He’s been deluded and cut off from reality his entire presidency. It’s fitting and deserved he goes down in history as a sorry, deluded president. In fact, it’s not sad. It’s actually spicy and I like it.


Yeah but that harms Democracy when it seems a large portion of the country believe his lies.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:32 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I know supposedly Kushner and Melania told him to concede but the next day they were falling in line with his delusions. Has anyone else of his close inner circle (not the sons Eric and Don, those two are coping with coke so we don’t need to listen to them) advised him to put his big boy pants on and concede?


I think Kushner and Melaniabare probably still saying concede in private but being more careful about who they let hear it.


Hopefully he’ll listen to them but being the way he is, he may not. *shrug*
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:33 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Well, good thing this election will be over soon. At least the Biden thread won't be a huge circlejerk of "oRaNgE mAn BaD"

I mean, he was arguably the shittiest President within living memory, so doing think him losing is going to make the criticism of him disappear too

Maybe it won't, but at least Biden supporters will start fighting each other because half of them don't support Biden. Kannap is green party, Rojava is a communist, Cordel is too, Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italia is a fascist, Cultural Posadism is an anarcho posadist, and I assume Orostan supports him, and Orostan is a tankie. Saiwana might support him to in order to accelerate the nation to fascism.
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:33 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Well, good thing this election will be over soon. At least the Biden thread won't be a huge circlejerk of "oRaNgE mAn BaD"

We gotta keep a separate Trump thread to bash on all the dumb shit he does as a private citizen.

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Postby Rusozak » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:33 pm

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Well, good thing this election will be over soon. At least the Biden thread won't be a huge circlejerk of "oRaNgE mAn BaD"

We gotta keep a separate Trump thread to bash on all the dumb shit he does as a private citizen.


Please no. I hope he fades into obscurity and we never see or hear from him again.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:34 pm

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Well, good thing this election will be over soon. At least the Biden thread won't be a huge circlejerk of "oRaNgE mAn BaD"

We gotta keep a separate Trump thread to bash on all the dumb shit he does as a private citizen.

No. Id rather he fade away and not have to hear about him anymore.

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Postby Jedi Council » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:34 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:I mean, he was arguably the shittiest President within living memory, so doing think him losing is going to make the criticism of him disappear too

Maybe it won't, but at least Biden supporters will start fighting each other because half of them don't support Biden. Kannap is green party, Rojava is a communist, Cordel is too, Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italia is a fascist, Cultural Posadism is an anarcho posadist, and I assume Orostan supports him, and Orostan is a tankie. Saiwana might support him to in order to accelerate the nation to fascism.

Pretty sure all of those people would have been happy to criticize Biden before now.

Yes the left will fight within itself, but dont think the right is some unified happy family right now. If anything, their primary in 2024 is going to be a massive bloodbath.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:34 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:I mean, he was arguably the shittiest President within living memory, so doing think him losing is going to make the criticism of him disappear too

Maybe it won't, but at least Biden supporters will start fighting each other because half of them don't support Biden. Kannap is green party, Rojava is a communist, Cordel is too, Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italia is a fascist, Cultural Posadism is an anarcho posadist, and I assume Orostan supports him, and Orostan is a tankie. Saiwana might support him to in order to accelerate the nation to fascism.


Just as FYI: Cultural Posadism isn’t American nor lives in the US.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:35 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Maybe it won't, but at least Biden supporters will start fighting each other because half of them don't support Biden. Kannap is green party, Rojava is a communist, Cordel is too, Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italia is a fascist, Cultural Posadism is an anarcho posadist, and I assume Orostan supports him, and Orostan is a tankie. Saiwana might support him to in order to accelerate the nation to fascism.


Just as FYI: Cultural Pisadism isn’t American nor lives in the US.

I mean, I know he'll show up on the Budenthread, and he'll hate him. Also, I know Rojava is already planning to.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:35 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Maybe it won't, but at least Biden supporters will start fighting each other because half of them don't support Biden. Kannap is green party, Rojava is a communist, Cordel is too, Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italia is a fascist, Cultural Posadism is an anarcho posadist, and I assume Orostan supports him, and Orostan is a tankie. Saiwana might support him to in order to accelerate the nation to fascism.

Pretty sure all of those people would have been happy to criticize Biden before now.

Yes the left will fight within itself, but dont think the right is some unified happy family right now. If anything, their primary in 2024 is going to be a massive bloodbath.


That's putting it mildly. Its going to be clown car that will make 2016 and 2020 look like nothing.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:35 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:I mean, he was arguably the shittiest President within living memory, so doing think him losing is going to make the criticism of him disappear too

Maybe it won't, but at least Biden supporters will start fighting each other because half of them don't support Biden. Kannap is green party, Rojava is a communist, Cordel is too, Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italia is a fascist, Cultural Posadism is an anarcho posadist, and I assume Orostan supports him, and Orostan is a tankie. Saiwana might support him to in order to accelerate the nation to fascism.


Ey oh, hold the hell up. I'm not a communist. My signature ironically says I'm a tankie but I identify as a liberterian socialist. I'm not a Marxist-Leninist.
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