Should the republic of Texas exist

[Sycar]

Yes because I don't want to be part of the same country as Utah and Florida, we already have enough of them here.

[The republic ofTexas and northern Mexico]

The lack of spacing between "of" and "Texas" in OP's name worries me.

If you are referring to my name, it wasn’t available at the time to have it spaced normally

Texas native here. I think it should remain a part of the USA. Also, as someone that was born in Texas and has spent most of his 35 years of life here, I can tell you the overwhelming majority of Texans do NOT want to secede. You may find that attitude in a few scattered trailer parks, but not in most of Texas.

That is why I said that it may be the majority

[New haven america]

Texas as a political entity should not exist.

[Jabberwocky]

Think of the legal hassles. Years of litigation.

[Albrenia]

I think this would upset Hank Hill.

[The Two Jerseys]

I think this would upset Hank Hill.

But Dale Gribble would probably be on board.

[Nejii]

Look into the NFAC. They’re an armed black extremist group who’s focal agenda is black segregation/sovereignty. The “Grandmaster” in fact has proposed either annexing Texas or petitioning Washington to hand it over and establish it as a pro-black sovereign state. So I see it as relevant in the whimsicalness that Mexico will have “competition” in seizing the state of Texas.

I wouldn’t expect you to know much of them (the NFAC) however as they’re a radical non-white racial supremacy faction and from what I see in the 2020 election thread your too busy harping on white supremacy and other far right extremes. Friendly advice; don’t double standard and expand your views.

Now back to the topic at hand.

So I should know more about NFAC ... OK, they protest, might have damaged a statue one time, but have never killed anyone, I'm now briefed ... because if I don't acknowledge the existence of black supremacy groups then I'm a hypocrite for criticizing white supremacy groups.

And having made that deranged "point" you'd like to return to the topic ...

OK, I said Texas should be given back to Mexico. That's obviously pretty damn unlikely, but you chose to take it seriously. You then presented the comprehensive counter-argument "no it shouldn't". I have nothing to add. How about you?

The NFAC is a hair trigger away.

And there’s nothing deranged about it. I’ve frequently seen you on tirades about “white supremacy this, Neo-Nazi that” in other threads. And yes I did take your point about how it (Texas) should be returned to Mexico seriously. After all, with the amount insanities I see and hear these days (not point blank from you) it honestly isn’t implausible for someone to have such a concept clad with sincerity.

If your not serious then my mistake.

And to loop back to the first sentence of the previous paragraph, again, I just felt it necessary to inform you to look into them. Far left groups are becoming a danger as much as far right ring groups are, and the difference is they don’t get the bad press far right groups do, which allows them more flexibility to grow and become a threat.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

So I should know more about NFAC ... OK, they protest, might have damaged a statue one time, but have never killed anyone, I'm now briefed ... because if I don't acknowledge the existence of black supremacy groups then I'm a hypocrite for criticizing white supremacy groups.

And having made that deranged "point" you'd like to return to the topic ...

OK, I said Texas should be given back to Mexico. That's obviously pretty damn unlikely, but you chose to take it seriously. You then presented the comprehensive counter-argument "no it shouldn't". I have nothing to add. How about you?

The NFAC is a hair trigger away.

And there’s nothing deranged about it. I’ve frequently seen you on tirades about “white supremacy this, Neo-Nazi that” in other threads. And yes I did take your point about how it (Texas) should be returned to Mexico seriously. After all, with the amount insanities I see and hear these days (not point blank from you) it honestly isn’t implausible for someone to have such a concept clad with sincerity.

Apart from a joke about penguins, I've only used the word "supremacy" once:

» Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:43 pm

Valrifell wrote:

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Terry Crews is getting a shitton of backlash for that tweet

It's not wrong, it just fails to read the room. The last thing anyone wants to hear when talking about raising black voices is "hey guys we also need white people too."

"Defeating White supremacy without White people creates segregation" would be more accurate.

The movement for change does actually need support from a lot of white people. Specifically white democrats. There is only one way to change the police, it's with a greater power. And the only greater power is the state itself.

Which is me taking issue with a black person's tweet!

And I don't use the phrase "neo-Nazi" much either. Distinct lack of tirades.

Either you're mistaking me for some other poster, or you don't actually read my longer posts and are imagining something in them that isn't there.

And to loop back to the first sentence of the previous paragraph, again, I just felt it necessary to inform you to look into them. Far left groups are becoming a danger as much as far right ring groups are, and the difference is they don’t get the bad press far right groups do, which allows them more flexibility to grow and become a threat.

No thanks. Particularly not when it's off-topic.

[-Astoria-]

Yeah, no.

[Rio Cana]

Texas needs to be independent just as much as California needs to be - that is to say, not at all.

The current borders and political status of Texas should remain, more or less.

El Paso should be given to New Mexico since, historically, it had a connection to New Mexico not Texas.

[Rio Cana]

I am fine with Texas going back to Mexico if they also take California with them before California totally ruins the USA.

No, I'd rather not have my home be reannexed by Mexico.

But the Federal Capital would be much closer. It would go from this - https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=lkd ... =200&w=618

to this -
https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=f3r ... =200&w=618

[Stellar Colonies]

No, I'd rather not have my home be reannexed by Mexico.

But the Federal Capital would be much closer. It would go from this - https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=lkd ... =200&w=618

to this -
https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=f3r ... =200&w=618

Closer is certainly not better in this case.

[Rio Cana]

Puerto Rico is in the US, it’s just not a state

The reason for Puerto Rican hesitance for statehood is that there are many who want full independence, which is much easier to do as a US territory (See: Phillipines) than a US state (in which case, it counts as secession and begins a civil war)

Puerto Rico would have to be pretty stupid to declare independence. If they did that, they would become another weak island nation with a lot of crime and poverty like Jamaica or The Dominican Republic.

Some think PR. would be dumb not to break away. The economy of the Dominican Republic has been booming (5.1% growth rate in 2019) while PR. remained stagnant. Its generally been stagnant for over 10 years. And that under the US flag.

[Rio Cana]

But the Federal Capital would be much closer. It would go from this - https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=lkd ... =200&w=618

to this -
https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=f3r ... =200&w=618

Closer is certainly not better in this case.

This could change your mind - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ftQRkNw4tg

[Novus America]

Closer is certainly not better in this case.

This could change your mind - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ftQRkNw4tg

Hardly changes the fact that overall Mexico is a mess, with catastrophic murder rates. much higher poverty and corruption than the US, and is a borderline failed state. Some parts being nice does not change that.

[Novus America]

Puerto Rico would have to be pretty stupid to declare independence. If they did that, they would become another weak island nation with a lot of crime and poverty like Jamaica or The Dominican Republic.

Some think PR. would be dumb not to break away. The economy of the Dominican Republic has been booming (5.1% growth rate in 2019) while PR. remained stagnant. Its generally been stagnant for over 10 years. And that under the US flag.

Puerto Rico still has a much higher HDI and GDP than comparable places including the DR.
Which although growing is far less wealthy. Breaking away from the US would not solve most of PR’s problems but would create many more.

[Arlenton]

No, the US would suck without it.

Unless the other Southern + plains and mountain states joined it. That'd be nice.

[Farnhamia]

No, the US would suck without it.

Unless the other Southern + plains and mountain states joined it. That'd be nice.

We discussed that back in the 1860s.

[Arlenton]

No, the US would suck without it.

Unless the other Southern + plains and mountain states joined it. That'd be nice.

We discussed that back in the 1860s.

What I think would be nice, and what actually is, are very different things.

[Farnhamia]

We discussed that back in the 1860s.

What I think would be nice, and what actually is, are very different things.

Oh, certainly, certainly. My parents used to point that out to me fairly often when I was ... younger.

[Federative States of America]

(As someone who grew up in East Texas) no it should not exist. Texas wasn’t meant to be an independent country after 1845

[The Giant Space Wyrm]

"Don't worry guys, I took a class in necromancy, we'll get General Shermans Ghost out here and no one better be carrying any trumpets or tubas, and if I hear anyone even mentions Georgia I'mma punch em in the schnoz. These ideas of states trying to break away to make their own damn governments for no good reason are really grating."

-OOC

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Puerto Rico would have to be pretty stupid to declare independence. If they did that, they would become another weak island nation with a lot of crime and poverty like Jamaica or The Dominican Republic.

Some think PR. would be dumb not to break away.

Like, 6% or something of Puerto Rican referendum voters. Probably only half that if PR's living in the States voted too.

The economy of the Dominican Republic has been booming (5.1% growth rate in 2019) while PR. remained stagnant. Its generally been stagnant for over 10 years. And that under the US flag.

Yeah, that is good growth. As Novus points out though, it's off a low base. It's developing-economy growth.

[Lord Dominator]

Texas, Annexed by the United States in 1845

No, Texas joined the Union of their own free will - they wanted to, and would have joined sooner had Congress not wanted to admit another slave state at the time.

To the topic of the thread: There is no good reason for Texas to be an independent country, and separation would leave the US and independent Texas worse off in all likelihood.

The economy of the Dominican Republic has been booming (5.1% growth rate in 2019) while PR. remained stagnant. Its generally been stagnant for over 10 years. And that under the US flag.

Yeah, that is good growth. As Novus points out though, it's off a low base. It's developing-economy growth.

I would personally also observe that the DR is presumably a country with a national government that fundamentally cares about the country while the US Federal government really doesn't care that much about PR (particularly recently).

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

No.