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All Hail President Pence in 2021!

Postby Shofercia » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:44 pm

There could be a scenario where Trump and Biden are tied at 269 votes apiece, if Trump wins Pennsylvania and Biden wins Arizona. In that case, we go to special elections: https://www.270towin.com/content/electo ... lege-ties/

More than likely, the tie election would remain undecided after the Electors voted. The Congress meets in joint session on January 6, 2021^ to count the electoral votes (this count happens whether the election is close or not). If no candidate has reached 270 Electoral Votes, then the House and Senate take over and elect the President and Vice-President, respectively. Note that the newly elected 117th Congress will be sworn in on January 3rd, 2021. It is that new Congress that would take on this responsibility.


The Republicans are likely to hold the Senate, and all that the Democrats have to do, is to flip two states to win the Houses' Electoral Votes. The Democrats can flip Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and North Carolina. This would lead to the Democratic House electing Biden, and the Republican Senate election Pence. But what if the Democrats only flip two of those states? There's an answer for that:

Note that if a majority is not reached in the House vote (e.g., 25-25), that chamber needs to keep at it until the tie is broken. If the deadlock is still in place when the new term starts (noon, ET on Jan. 20), the vice president becomes acting president until such time as the House elects a president.


All Hail President Pence! Granted, this scenario has a low chance of happening, but it is possible. So, NSG, what would you do if Mike Pence became the president, after voting for himself, not once, but twice, first as a voter, and then to break the Senate tie?

I, for one, think it would hilarious. First, Pence was the only one competent in the presidential and vice presidential debates. Second, he has the experience as Indiana's Governor and Trump's VP. Third, it keeps the Republican Populist-Religious Coalition together, without Trump. What's not to like?

What say ye, NSG?
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Postby Nakena » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:46 pm

An intrigueing scenario. I would not rule out that Trump takes Pennsylvania given Bidens oil gaffe at the 3rd debate.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:46 pm

Alternate - imagine if the senate is ALSO deadlocked 50-50. So they can't elect a vice president either.

You know what happens then?

Acting president Nancy Pelosi.
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:47 pm

While he'd likely be an awful President, he'd be way less annoying than Trump is.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:47 pm

>Pence
>experience as indiana's governor

We're supposed to be listing good things?
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Postby The Marlborough » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:48 pm

Tbh I doubt any of the close election scenarios will occur. As much of a disaster that Biden can be at times, he's still performing really well across the board and could even flip nominally red states like North Carolina.
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Postby Nubila » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:48 pm

President Harris, rather...

After all, the new senate is likely to be majority Democratic (51 to 47-49, with a few seats pending)...

Other than that: likelier than Biden would like to believe.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:48 pm

I just threw up in my mouth after reading this. But due to some people getting easily offended, I can’t call Pence what I’d love to call him.

Just know reading this made me feel the cooties (no reflection on you, OP).
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Postby Romextly » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:48 pm

Galloism wrote:Alternate - imagine if the senate is ALSO deadlocked 50-50 (one senator absent). So they can't elect a vice president either.

You know what happens then?

Acting president Nancy Pelosi.

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Postby Nakena » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:49 pm

Kowani wrote:>Pence
>experience as indiana's governor

We're supposed to be listing good things?


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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:49 pm



You mean it hasn’t gone to shit already?
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:49 pm

Galloism wrote:Alternate - imagine if the senate is ALSO deadlocked 50-50 (one senator absent). So they can't elect a vice president either.

You know what happens then?

Acting president Nancy Pelosi.


I don't see Manchin voting for Pelosi, although your scenario has a very Halloween-ish vibe.
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:49 pm

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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:50 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Galloism wrote:Alternate - imagine if the senate is ALSO deadlocked 50-50 (one senator absent). So they can't elect a vice president either.

You know what happens then?

Acting president Nancy Pelosi.


I don't see Manchin voting for Pelosi, although your scenario has a very Halloween-ish vibe.

You're welcome.

There's also a possibility of the senators fleeing the senate - the 12th amendment requires 2/3 of the chamber be present for such a vote to take place.
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Postby Arroyo-Abeille » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:50 pm

The Republicans are likely to hold the Senate,


I don't know what polls you're reading but that doesn't appear anywhere near "likely"
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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:53 pm

Galloism wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
I don't see Manchin voting for Pelosi, although your scenario has a very Halloween-ish vibe.

You're welcome.

There's also a possibility of the senators fleeing the senate - the 12th amendment requires 2/3 of the chamber be present for such a vote to take place.

You know, I just thought about this some more - if they fled the senate until after January 21st, the vice president loses his tie breaking vote when they come back too.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:55 pm

Nakena wrote:
Kowani wrote:>Pence
>experience as indiana's governor

We're supposed to be listing good things?


We might be supposed to ride the lightning and have a gay time.

That's a bit too Zeus for Pence.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:55 pm

Galloism wrote:
Galloism wrote:You're welcome.

There's also a possibility of the senators fleeing the senate - the 12th amendment requires 2/3 of the chamber be present for such a vote to take place.

You know, I just thought about this some more - if they fled the senate until after January 21st, the vice president loses his tie breaking vote when they come back too.


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Postby Shofercia » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:57 pm

Galloism wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
I don't see Manchin voting for Pelosi, although your scenario has a very Halloween-ish vibe.

You're welcome.

There's also a possibility of the senators fleeing the senate - the 12th amendment requires 2/3 of the chamber be present for such a vote to take place.


Trump rounding up Senators and bringing them back to Senate for the purpose of having a quorum, didn't the Democrats try something like that in one of the states?
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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:59 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Galloism wrote:You're welcome.

There's also a possibility of the senators fleeing the senate - the 12th amendment requires 2/3 of the chamber be present for such a vote to take place.


Trump rounding up Senators and bringing them back to Senate for the purpose of having a quorum, didn't the Democrats try something like that in one of the states?

Both republicans and democrats have done this at varying time and places. I think the most recent case was last year in the state senate in oregon the republicans pulled that and they couldn't reach quorum.

I'm not sure what the rules are on rounding them up. I know the sergeant at arms for the senate can round them up and force them back if they're inside DC, but I'm not sure what the rules are if they actually make it out of the district.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:59 pm

Galloism wrote:Alternate - imagine if the senate is ALSO deadlocked 50-50. So they can't elect a vice president either.

You know what happens then?

Acting president Nancy Pelosi.


Would she be acting president or president president? It's a distinction with meat, or so I'm told.
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