Salvation for a price: A hypothetical

[Resilient Acceleration]

I would first need to be convinced that He's really a God and not a hallucinogenic delusion or symptoms of schizophrenia, which is far more likely to happen and to order you to do something like that. If that's settled, however, kill him.

Usually it goes along the way of "God knows better", but even if God is just a megalomaniacal dictator (which is something I genuinely believed for sometime before abandoning my faith altogether), I'll still do it without a second thought. It's like paying taxes: you do it, even if you hate it, else you go to prison.

[Infected Mushroom]

It’s a very difficult question.

The law says murder is illegal so on its face I shouldn’t do it. But then does the law of the god trump the laws of the nation state? I’m not sure. There’s not been a ruling by an authoritative body on this.

I think it’s better to stay on the lawful side if things are uncertain and not kill the person.

The law of the state puts you in jail for life. God's law puts you in the lake of fire forever.

I see...

In that case I think Hong Kong/PRC law should still take precedence.

So I wouldn’t kill because murder isn’t allowed by the state.

This is because God hasn’t invaded and occupied this territory yet so he can’t declare the supremacy of his law, his competing claim for jurisdiction isn’t established yet through right of conquest. In my view the lawful authority (unless God sends an army, wins a war and establishes a new order with sufficient international recognition) still lies with the government here. And the government here holds steadfast against murder.

I will not be involved in law breaking behavior. If God decides to send me to a burning lake in the aftermath, I must insist that this would be illegal. It may not stop the burning action but it would rightfully be deemed illegal nonetheless

[Resilient Acceleration]

The law of the state puts you in jail for life. God's law puts you in the lake of fire forever.

I see...

In that case I think Hong Kong/PRC law should still take precedence.

So I wouldn’t kill because murder isn’t allowed by the state.

This is because God hasn’t invaded and occupied this territory yet so he can’t declare the supremacy of his law, his competing claim for jurisdiction isn’t established yet through right of conquest. In my view the lawful authority (unless God sends an army, wins a war and establishes a new order with sufficient international recognition) still lies with the government here. And the government here holds steadfast against murder.

I will not be involved in law breaking behavior. If God decides to send me to a burning lake in the aftermath, I must insist that this would be illegal. It may not stop the burning action but it would rightfully be deemed illegal nonetheless

In that case, you're better off relying on the Americans.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

I will not be involved in law breaking behavior. If God decides to send me to a burning lake in the aftermath, I must insist that this would be illegal. It may not stop the burning action but it would rightfully be deemed illegal nonetheless

Is this black humor?

[Turelisa-]

This is a stupid and unrealistic dilemma. I wonder if this thead really is a ingenuous question meant to stimulate ethical debate or is it a disingenuous one aimed at stirring controversy and provoking outrage.
God would never reveal himself directly by manifesting in a physical form to a person, nor would he offer to spare them eternal damnation if His command to murder was obeyed. He made it unequivocally clear on the Mount to Moses that murder was against His law.
The only time when God mainfested in a physical, human form to reveal his will directly was in the figure of Jesus, to redeem fallen mankind, and Jesus never preached murder - he said his purpose was to fulfil the law, not to destroy it.

[Albrenia]

I will not be involved in law breaking behavior. If God decides to send me to a burning lake in the aftermath, I must insist that this would be illegal. It may not stop the burning action but it would rightfully be deemed illegal nonetheless

Is this black humor?

IM is dedicated to the rule of law, in general. So probably not a joke.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The law of the state puts you in jail for life. God's law puts you in the lake of fire forever.

I see...

In that case I think Hong Kong/PRC law should still take precedence.

So I wouldn’t kill because murder isn’t allowed by the state.

This is because God hasn’t invaded and occupied this territory yet so he can’t declare the supremacy of his law, his competing claim for jurisdiction isn’t established yet through right of conquest. In my view the lawful authority (unless God sends an army, wins a war and establishes a new order with sufficient international recognition) still lies with the government here. And the government here holds steadfast against murder.

I will not be involved in law breaking behavior. If God decides to send me to a burning lake in the aftermath, I must insist that this would be illegal. It may not stop the burning action but it would rightfully be deemed illegal nonetheless

Bruh you are going to burn for eternity if you don't do it. Does that not concern you?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

This is a stupid and unrealistic dilemma.
God would never reveal himself directly by manifesting in a physical form to a person, nor would he offer to spare them eternal damnation if His command to murder was obeyed. He made it unequivocally clear on the Mount to Moses that murder was against His law.
The only time when God mainfested in a physical, human form to reveal his will directly was in the figure of Jesus, to redeem fallen mankind, and Jesus never preached murder - he said his purpose was to fulfil the law, not to destroy it.

Murder is against God's law...except when he sent Moses to kill the Midianites or when he struck down every first born Egyptian personally.

[The Blaatschapen]

I'll go to hell.

All my friends are there.

[Glen Ellyn]

As already pointed out God would never do this. But this brings up a question: why propose this thought experiment?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

As already pointed out God would never do this. But this brings up a question: why propose this thought experiment?

Because I wanna see if there is someone who would not commit an immoral act no matter what the cost of failing to perform said act was.

[Dakran]

What if I instead take the gun and kill God, completing the prophecy that Fox News harps on about every other week?

[Infected Mushroom]

I will not be involved in law breaking behavior. If God decides to send me to a burning lake in the aftermath, I must insist that this would be illegal. It may not stop the burning action but it would rightfully be deemed illegal nonetheless

Is this black humor?

Hmmm... it does read like black humor on a re-read 0_0

[Infected Mushroom]

I see...

In that case I think Hong Kong/PRC law should still take precedence.

So I wouldn’t kill because murder isn’t allowed by the state.

This is because God hasn’t invaded and occupied this territory yet so he can’t declare the supremacy of his law, his competing claim for jurisdiction isn’t established yet through right of conquest. In my view the lawful authority (unless God sends an army, wins a war and establishes a new order with sufficient international recognition) still lies with the government here. And the government here holds steadfast against murder.

I will not be involved in law breaking behavior. If God decides to send me to a burning lake in the aftermath, I must insist that this would be illegal. It may not stop the burning action but it would rightfully be deemed illegal nonetheless

Bruh you are going to burn for eternity if you don't do it. Does that not concern you?

I don’t want to be burned for eternity.

I truly hope I will find the courage and do the right thing (obey the law).

[New Steuben]

If it is INDEED/TRULY the creator/s of the UNIVERSE

I would think nobody here would truly take damnation, it's easy to say that behind a keyboard but if you knew 100% for a fact you were about to be tortured for an eternity, you would probably go through with it.

as long as he goes to "paradise"

if he dosn't go to paradise, then it get's more dicey.

[Infected Mushroom]

I’m imagining this is how it goes down:

God convinces IM to do the killing with the threat of the eternal damnation.

IM goes in with a gun, but due to hesitation John tries to escape and fight back, pulling up a massive fight.

IM gets the upper hand and points the gun at John again.

God appears and tells IM to finish John.

The 1-2 min suspense...

“No. (Throws gun down). I must obey the law. It’s illegal in Hong Kong to commit murder. I shall not go there. I’m a good citizen.”

“Now now now IM... let’s not be hasty. This is a divine command... and I’ve shown you the cost of disobedience.”

“Then take it up with the National People’s Congress.”

God sighs. Walks over and snaps his fingers. John starts twitching, suffering and dying as he’s engulfed in a blue light and searing sound echoes across the whole room.

IM: “What! What are you doing?!!! STOP!”

John is dying. IM picks up the gun and starts shooting at God but the bullets just never seem to reach the target at all.

There’s a flash of overwhelming green light.

...

Cut to IM and billions+ others being burned alive in a lake of fire.

Sad piano music plays.

God walks around the edges morosely. “If only you all had faith in me... if only... I tried to save you all my children, I tried.”

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I’m imagining this is how it goes down:

God convinces IM to do the killing with the threat of the eternal damnation.

IM goes in with a gun, but due to hesitation John tries to escape and fight back, pulling up a massive fight.

IM gets the upper hand and points the gun at John again.

God appears and tells IM to finish John.

The 1-2 min suspense...

“No. (Throws gun down). I must obey the law. It’s illegal in Hong Kong to commit murder. I shall not go there. I’m a good citizen.”

“Now now now IM... let’s not be hasty. This is a divine command... and I’ve shown you the cost of disobedience.”

“Then take it up with the National People’s Congress.”

God sighs. Walks over and snaps his fingers. John starts twitching, suffering and dying as he’s engulfed in a blue light and searing sound echoes across the whole room.

IM: “What! What are you doing?!!! STOP!”

John is dying. IM picks up the gun and starts shouting at God but the bullets just never seem to reach the target at all.

There’s a flash of overwhelming green light.

...

Cut to IM and billions+ others being burned alive in a lake of fire.

Sad piano music plays.

God walks around the edges morosely. “If only you all had faith in me... if only... I tried to save you all my children, I tried.”

Damn, dark

[The Marlborough]

The Binding of Isaac: The Remake (4k)

[Neanderthaland]

It's time to kill a God, I guess.

[UniversalCommons]

Every religion asks a price

[Antarcticanie]

It's like paying taxes: you do it, even if you hate it, else you go to prison.

Wait, you pay taxes? Haha, nerd.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It's like paying taxes: you do it, even if you hate it, else you go to prison.

Wait, you pay taxes? Haha, nerd.

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