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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:18 pm

https://dailygalaxy.com/2019/12/the-ult ... t-popular/

This may explain how reincarnation is possible if true.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:46 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://dailygalaxy.com/2019/12/the-ultimate-mystery-consciousness-may-exist-in-the-absence-of-matter-2019-most-popular/

This may explain how reincarnation is possible if true.

That's some Deepak Chopra level shit right there.

Oh, he's cited in the article. Even better.
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Postby The Hindustani State » Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:51 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Swiss Cheeser wrote:eh. islamic version of the afterlife is abundant dreams and doing anything. i never died,nor am i close to dying,nor do i want to die.

but i really think its not pointless.


The Muslim afterlife sounds pretty cool tbh. I've read about it and it sounds alot more fun than the Jewish or Christian one.

But even that would get boring after a while, right?

I think in a way, our Hindu cycle of reincarnation and living different lives is kind of the more "fun" thing
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Postby Kasa Tkoth Sphere » Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:55 pm

If we're talking about an all-powerful being in charge of such an afterlife, it could do what we would call impossible — like keeping everyone entertained forever without changing who they are, or reuniting parents with their child while also keeping that child away from the parents they find abusive. Complain all you want about contradictions, but an omnipotent being can resolve them, against all notions of classical logic, by its nature.

Do I think this actually happens to dead people? Not particularly. It's fun to write about sometimes, though.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:58 pm

In my ideal afterlife, everyone becomes a deity-like consciousness in their own micro world. They can then create and insert themselves into their own matrix with altered memories.

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Postby Vallermoore » Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:26 pm

It depends what the afterlife is like. If it's horrible, like being stuck in one's own dead body or in a lake of fire, yes, but it could also be quite fun. I could be the dictator of my own afterlife, with everything I could possibly want.

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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:40 am

Swiss Cheeser wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Muslim afterlife sounds pretty cool tbh. I've read about it and it sounds alot more fun than the Jewish or Christian one.

But even that would get boring after a while, right?


it probably wont,since i never experienced since i didnt die at all. but it probably wont end beacuse you can communicate with others too.

you also have anything you could need. basically a abundant heaven. oh wait it is a heaven.

Oh,maybe you had died,but you don't know.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:16 am

I just would love if I could prove the existence of Valhalla.
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Postby Matroyska » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:20 am

there’s a video by the amazing Non Stamp Collector on the topic: ten hours alternating between a depiction of heaven and hell. by 2 minutes in it’s boring (and harrowing). an infinity of that? no thanks.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:25 am

If there was an afterlife, I feel like it’d get mind numbingly boring at a certain point, either bored of paradise or bored of endless torture.
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Postby Rea » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:55 am

We can’t comprehend eternity, because we live in the passage of real time. Time and eternity cannot coexist.

With the passage of time, things break down. Material possessions and physical organisms including our own bodies deteriorate. That’s entropy for you. The earth and climate changes, etc.

No such things can exist in the utter absence of the passage of time (eternity), a concept incomprehensible to those of us who have lived with time for our entire existence. Personally I find most anxiety and stress is related to the passage of time in some way. The gradual development of long term health problems, the pressure to pay off accumulating debt and keep up with changing financial pressures, the pressure related to gradually changing human relationships. The idea of eternity is attractive by comparison, but only if I can spend that eternity pursuing the defining aspect of my spirit - my spiritual relationship with Jesus Christ. An eternity of afterlife spent pursuing anything else is pointless and boring, to the point I might actually prefer the pressure and anxiety of the moment. At least something is always going on.

As a Christian, only an afterlife spent in the presence of Christ appeals to me. I’ve been a Christian long enough to know I never get bored with my faith; something new is always evolving, changing, about my perspective on the world and how I interact with the situations in my life. That’s a trend I feel will continue in the Christian afterlife, irrespective of the absence of time. It won’t be boring at all, but rather a constant renewing of my faith as I walk with my Maker forever and ever.

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Postby Rea » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:58 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://dailygalaxy.com/2019/12/the-ultimate-mystery-consciousness-may-exist-in-the-absence-of-matter-2019-most-popular/

This may explain how reincarnation is possible if true.


As a believer in the metaphysical, I think this would go a long way towards explaining how the metaphysical can exist in the absence of the physical.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:17 am

Rea wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://dailygalaxy.com/2019/12/the-ultimate-mystery-consciousness-may-exist-in-the-absence-of-matter-2019-most-popular/

This may explain how reincarnation is possible if true.


As a believer in the metaphysical, I think this would go a long way towards explaining how the metaphysical can exist in the absence of the physical.


Maybe consciousness is a force independent of matter. That would be interesting.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:37 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Rea wrote:
As a believer in the metaphysical, I think this would go a long way towards explaining how the metaphysical can exist in the absence of the physical.


Maybe consciousness is a force independent of matter. That would be interesting.

It would be a bit nonsensical if so.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:37 pm

Kowani wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Maybe consciousness is a force independent of matter. That would be interesting.

It would be a bit nonsensical if so.


Would it
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Postby Kowani » Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:45 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Kowani wrote:It would be a bit nonsensical if so.


Would it

…Yes?
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:31 pm

The chance given was the life they lived before, the punishment or reward (if it exists) is that.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:40 pm

Saiwania wrote:The chance given was the life they lived before, the punishment or reward (if it exists) is that.


So what are you saying?
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Postby Uiiop » Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:43 pm

The knowledge gap itself kind of lends a feeling of pointlessness to the idea, yes. Living in a material world with more spiritual stuff rendered as guesses and paranoia makes me more focused on the here and now than the might be beyonds.

Still I don't want to knock anyone else's thing of cessation and hope for a place where they don't have to be even capable of wanting that.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:58 pm

Saiwania wrote:The chance given was the life they lived before, the punishment or reward (if it exists) is that.

Quoting Al?
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:16 pm

I think that when a lot of people imagine an afterlife that they think it will be the same as the life that we've lived before, which probably makes sense given that most religions depict an afterlife in heavily material terms (streets of gold and all that) which some of the less theological minded take as literal. But things such as time and consciousness will be so completely different that it's impossible to fully comprehend what it would be like, much less claim that it would be boring.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:25 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:I think that when a lot of people imagine an afterlife that they think it will be the same as the life that we've lived before, which probably makes sense given that most religions depict an afterlife in heavily material terms (streets of gold and all that) which some of the less theological minded take as literal. But things such as time and consciousness will be so completely different that it's impossible to fully comprehend what it would be like, much less claim that it would be boring.


Idk I just pictured a neon colored dreamscape of eternal nothingness and light filled with the souls of the dead.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:50 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:So what are you saying?


An afterlife is around as a concept, primarily to try to give a sense of consequence for what someone does whilst they're alive. So in that sense, it isn't pointless.
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Postby West Phoenicia » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:54 pm

The Afterlife is not pointless. It's relevant, and shows there is more than just this out there.

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