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Should the State of Jefferson Exist?

Postby Bala Mantre » Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:11 am

This is such a controversy as Oregon and California have a movement called the State of Jefferson that looks to unify Northern California and CEntrel+Southern+Eastern Oregon into one Conservative State.

I personally think its a horrid idea.

"The State of Jefferson is a proposed U.S. state that would span the contiguous, mostly rural area of southern Oregon and northern California, where several attempts to separate from Oregon and California, respectively, have taken place." Wikipedia

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:46 am

They don't deserve it, just by merit of how lazy their flag is:

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I mean come on, the seal in the middle is just a gold disc with "The Great Seal of State of Jefferson" scrawled on it. Lazy. And yes I get that it dates back to the 1940s but that's no excuse. :roll:
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Postby Cerinda » Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:48 am

I'm not American but personally I can understand as to why more conservative rural areas might want to succeed from Cali, especially it's high gas taxes and strict gun control.
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Postby Bala Mantre » Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:49 am

The New California Republic wrote:They don't deserve it, just by merit of how lazy their flag is:

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I mean come on, the seal in the middle is just a gold disc with "The Great Seal of State of Jefferson" scrawled on it. Lazy. And yes I get that it dates back to the 1940s but that's no excuse. :roll:

To think of it, they would be a mainly agrarian society with hardly any politicians (Important ones) to help.
A rather bad recipe to begin eh?
And as my sister once put it, "State of Jefferson is nothing more than old white southerners from the Jim Crow Era."
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Postby Atheara » Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:52 am

That would make 51 States if it was Officially declared as an Official state. :blink:

IDK. i aint a politician :unsure:

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Postby Outer Solar System » Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:54 am

Sure. Any fate is better than being subject to west coast liberal autocrats who hate you and everything you believe. Honestly though it would make more sense for those areas to join with the rural areas of Washington and Eastern California, Idaho, and Utah, to make a sort of "greater Rockies" State.
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Postby Bala Mantre » Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:57 am

Outer Solar System wrote:Sure. Any fate is better than being subject to west coast liberal autocrats who hate you and everything you believe. Honestly though it would make more sense for those areas to join with the rural areas of Washington and Eastern California, Idaho, and Utah, to make a sort of "greater Rockies" State.

And make one underfunded agrarian state?
It would probably be like the Greece of the EU
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:59 am

No.

Also, it shouldn't be allowed to join Oregon either, people here don't want it.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:00 am

Bala Mantre wrote:This is such a controversy as Oregon and California have a movement called the State of Jefferson that looks to unify Northern California and CEntrel+Southern+Eastern Oregon into one Conservative State.
I personally think its a horrid idea.


I think a map of said monstrosity in the Original Post would improve it a lot.

You should also put more text and maybe a link in the OP. History of the idea, political outcome, that sort of thing. The Mods don't like such scanty OP's!
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:00 am

Outer Solar System wrote:Sure. Any fate is better than being subject to west coast liberal autocrats who hate you and everything you believe. Honestly though it would make more sense for those areas to join with the rural areas of Washington and Eastern California, Idaho, and Utah, to make a sort of "greater Rockies" State.

This is actually a great idea because it removes a bunch of conservative states from the EC and Senate, thus giving more control to the Dems.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:01 am

Outer Solar System wrote:Sure. Any fate is better than being subject to west coast liberal autocrats who hate you and everything you believe. Honestly though it would make more sense for those areas to join with the rural areas of Washington and Eastern California, Idaho, and Utah, to make a sort of "greater Rockies" State.


As with any states that are adjacent and have low population, being Bigger would be better. EXCEPT that merging states gives up Senators.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:06 am

Bala Mantre, can you please expand your OP a bit? Two sentences isn't much to go on.

Remember that not all of the posters in NationStates are Americans; perhaps add a link or two to sites that discuss this, or add a quote from a story advocating for Jefferson.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:10 am

The Archregimancy wrote:Bala Mantre, can you please expand your OP a bit? Two sentences isn't much to go on.

Remember that not all of the posters in NationStates are Americans; perhaps add a link or two to sites that discuss this, or add a quote from a story advocating for Jefferson.

TL;DR: Jefferson is a state idea in the general geographic region of Northern California and East Oregon/Washington give or take that isn't happy that the West Coast is mostly Liberal/Progressive instead of the Racist and Conservative stronghold (Mostly Oregon and Washington) that it used to be.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:11 am

Outer Solar System wrote:Sure. Any fate is better than being subject to west coast liberal autocrats who hate you and everything you believe. Honestly though it would make more sense for those areas to join with the rural areas of Washington and Eastern California, Idaho, and Utah, to make a sort of "greater Rockies" State.


Polarising US politics even more with new ideological states, seems a very bad idea to me.
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Postby Bala Mantre » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:16 am

The Archregimancy wrote:Bala Mantre, can you please expand your OP a bit? Two sentences isn't much to go on.

Remember that not all of the posters in NationStates are Americans; perhaps add a link or two to sites that discuss this, or add a quote from a story advocating for Jefferson.

My bad, Im doing this on my chrome but I did my best and added two links (I hope they work) and a quote
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:16 am

New haven america wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Bala Mantre, can you please expand your OP a bit? Two sentences isn't much to go on.

Remember that not all of the posters in NationStates are Americans; perhaps add a link or two to sites that discuss this, or add a quote from a story advocating for Jefferson.

TL;DR: Jefferson is a state idea in the general geographic region of Northern California and East Oregon/Washington give or take that isn't happy that the West Coast is mostly Liberal/Progressive instead of the Racist and Conservative stronghold (Mostly Oregon and Washington) that it used to be.


Yes, I'm aware of this (though I would have used less loaded language); but we need this sort of detail posted in the OP to make this thread viable. Otherwise I'm likely going to have to shut it down - though encouraging someone else to have another go in the process.

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:17 am

Do we have any stats on what the economy of such a thing would be like? All that I can really see from some quick searching is that the overwhelming majority of the economy would be agrarian, sparsely populated etc.
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Postby Bala Mantre » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:17 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
New haven america wrote:TL;DR: Jefferson is a state idea in the general geographic region of Northern California and East Oregon/Washington give or take that isn't happy that the West Coast is mostly Liberal/Progressive instead of the Racist and Conservative stronghold (Mostly Oregon and Washington) that it used to be.


Yes, I'm aware of this (though I would have used less loaded language); but we need this sort of detail posted in the OP to make this thread viable. Otherwise I'm likely going to have to shut it down - though encouraging someone else to have another go in the process.

I improved on it.
My bad that I forgot the links
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:18 am

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Outer Solar System wrote:Sure. Any fate is better than being subject to west coast liberal autocrats who hate you and everything you believe. Honestly though it would make more sense for those areas to join with the rural areas of Washington and Eastern California, Idaho, and Utah, to make a sort of "greater Rockies" State.


Polarising US politics even more with new ideological states, seems a very bad idea to me.


Polarizing U.S. politics even more by forcing people to live under the jurisdiction of a government that wants to hurt them sounds even worse.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:18 am

Bala Mantre wrote:This is such a controversy as Oregon and California have a movement called the State of Jefferson that looks to unify Northern California and CEntrel+Southern+Eastern Oregon into one Conservative State.
I personally think its a horrid idea.
"The State of Jefferson is a proposed U.S. state that would span the contiguous, mostly rural area of southern Oregon and northern California, where several attempts to separate from Oregon and California, respectively, have taken place." Wikipedia
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:19 am

Bala Mantre wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Bala Mantre, can you please expand your OP a bit? Two sentences isn't much to go on.

Remember that not all of the posters in NationStates are Americans; perhaps add a link or two to sites that discuss this, or add a quote from a story advocating for Jefferson.

My bad, Im doing this on my chrome but I did my best and added two links (I hope they work) and a quote


Better! It's still not a lot, but is likely enough to let me keep the thread going.

But your links don't work! Please try and edit in links we can all use.

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Postby Bala Mantre » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:20 am

New haven america wrote:
Bala Mantre wrote:This is such a controversy as Oregon and California have a movement called the State of Jefferson that looks to unify Northern California and CEntrel+Southern+Eastern Oregon into one Conservative State.
I personally think its a horrid idea.
"The State of Jefferson is a proposed U.S. state that would span the contiguous, mostly rural area of southern Oregon and northern California, where several attempts to separate from Oregon and California, respectively, have taken place." Wikipedia
http://lsrelay-config-production.s3.ama ... 261f4f6246
http://lsrelay-config-production.s3.ama ... a0b1d71930
Sorry about the lack of info

Most of NS doesn't live in Prineville nor are they in grade school there, so you might need some more accessible sources.

Im not in grade school Im in college
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:23 am

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Outer Solar System wrote:Sure. Any fate is better than being subject to west coast liberal autocrats who hate you and everything you believe. Honestly though it would make more sense for those areas to join with the rural areas of Washington and Eastern California, Idaho, and Utah, to make a sort of "greater Rockies" State.


Polarising US politics even more with new ideological states, seems a very bad idea to me.


Or go the whole donkey and elephant:

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