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Even if you disagree, will you discuss politics with your family? 「Yes or No」

Yes, regardless of how many differences we have
72
53%
Maybe, if we do not have too many differences in core values overall
34
25%
Maybe, if we do not have too many differences in core values on economics
3
2%
Maybe, if we do not have too many differences in core values on social/culture
11
8%
No, never, since our risk is too great
16
12%
 
Total votes : 136

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Disagreeing with family on politics

Postby Sanghyeok » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:03 pm

Families often have disagreements for their opinions on issues, which can include politics. Obviously, this can be a major issue, since disagreements with one's family members during political discussion can show differences in core values. Such disagreements can result in breaking down of harmonious relations inside the family. So, should we not discuss politics with family is our gap is too great and there cannot be productive conversation? Or should we try to risk discussion anyways, and try to maintain civil conversation at the risk of breaking of bonds? How much should we risk, and when should we discuss with a family members that disagrees with us, if at all? Let's discuss below.

In my opinion, it is important to discuss politics with one's family even if there is a difference, as long as you believe you are right. We have a duty to preserve bonds with our immediate family, but we also owe it to greater society to advance our core values.



https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=37823272#p37823272

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:15 pm

Different members of my family have very different views in politics (for example, different members are strongly pro-Trump or pro-Biden, view Breitbart/Drudge Report or CNN as being neutral enough to be vaguely useful sources of information, etc.). When discussing politics with them, I tend to be evasive and vague about my own views, and usually just listen to what they say.

So I don’t really state my own views or give my opinion regarding theirs, meaning that I wouldn’t be surprised if different people in my family simultaneously hold different opinions as to my political views.
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Postby Cordel One » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:16 pm

My immediate family is all liberal, and the rest is mostly far right. They argue with each other and I argue with them all, though we still get along fairly well.
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Postby Aeritai » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:17 pm

Me and my family barely talk about politics and I think that's for the best. I rather not let this current political climate ruin my family relations.
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Postby Myskatonia » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:19 pm

Never discuss religion and politics with your family unless you're ready to start a big argument.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:19 pm

There are quite a number of political issues that I vehemently disagree with my bf on, such as Brexit and others.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:20 pm

Cordel One wrote:My immediate family is all liberal, and the rest is mostly far right. They argue with each other and I argue with them all, though we still get along fairly well.


Do you get along equally well with your liberal and far-right, or do you see one side as your better relationship?
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:21 pm

My parents have fully bought into the Trump personality cult and everything that goes with it, so yeah I don't like to talk with them at all since they will inevitably try to turn any discussion political, and from there an infantile shouting match.
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:22 pm

There was a point at which my folks drank the Kool Aid and were glued to FOX all day -- I simply said, "I am not going to get drawn into this discussion with you. I love you too much to fight over this."

After 4 yrs of the current clown, my mom's changed her views and choice of newschannel -- all without me ever arguing with her.

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Postby Sanghyeok » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:23 pm

Myskatonia wrote:Never discuss religion and politics with your family unless you're ready to start a big argument.


Most of my political interaction with my family is some of them sending me far-right propaganda and me refuting them, so I wouldn't say we argue.
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And fresh poured Darjeeling
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These are a few of my favourite things
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Postby Sanghyeok » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:25 pm

The New California Republic wrote:There are quite a number of political issues that I vehemently disagree with my bf on, such as Brexit and others.


A few years ago my family was quite hostile to seeing I had literature by Keynes in my room and I was told I should stop being socialist. I don't know how they would react to knowing I've actually become a leftist, so I pretend to be a social democrat supporter.
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These are a few of my favourite things
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:25 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:Families often have disagreements for their opinions on issues, which can include politics. Obviously, this can be a major issue, since disagreements with one's family members during political discussion can show differences in core values. Such disagreements can result in breaking down of harmonious relations inside the family. So, should we not discuss politics with family is our gap is too great and there cannot be productive conversation? Or should we try to risk discussion anyways, and try to maintain civil conversation at the risk of breaking of bonds? How much should we risk, and when should we discuss with a family members that disagrees with us, if at all? Let's discuss below.

In my opinion, it is important to discuss politics with one's family even if there is a difference, as long as you believe you are right. We have a duty to preserve bonds with our immediate family, but we also owe it to greater society to advance our core values.



https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=37823272#p37823272

viewtopic.php?p=37823192#p37823192

My advice to all of you is, never tell your family and friends who think differently than you on politics, directly or indirectly I am right and you are wrong based on Facts.

Decided by you who strongly disagrees with them, and they strongly disagree with you.

Just state your political views and leave it there, like I do.

In my family, we all happen to be Proud Cuban American, Hispanic, Latino, Republican Trump supporters. Many of our friends are too.

We respect without political insults those who think differently than we do on Trump and the Republicans.

This respect is given it is not earned.

It is called Democracy in the USA and other such nations.

Like on Republican President Trump or any political issues.

I Rest My Case.

GMS.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:26 pm

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:26 pm

The New California Republic wrote:There are quite a number of political issues that I vehemently disagree with my bf on, such as Brexit and others.


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Postby Cordel One » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:28 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Cordel One wrote:My immediate family is all liberal, and the rest is mostly far right. They argue with each other and I argue with them all, though we still get along fairly well.


Do you get along equally well with your liberal and far-right, or do you see one side as your better relationship?

It depends on the individual more than the ideology, though the liberal side is less crazy. Besides family, though, most of my friends are leftists.
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Eh, pretty much everyone in my fam shares my views.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:31 pm

Resilient Acceleration wrote:Respect their opinion, their upbringing, and focus on finding common value, and never debate. When talking about religion, I always frame it as "I find part X in Islam questionable because of Y, why do you think it's the case?" And then we try to find info on the internet together, and discuss rather than a debate. I never frame it as "Islam is wrong because of Y".

I strongly agree with you.

Posted by Resilient Acceleration:
Respect their opinion, and never debate.

Discuss rather than a debate. I never frame it as "Islam is wrong because of Y"

Here is the link to all my views in details on the issue of this thread:
viewtopic.php?p=37823399#p37823399

Thank you for a great post and comments.

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Postby Sanghyeok » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:31 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
Do you get along equally well with your liberal and far-right, or do you see one side as your better relationship?

It depends on the individual more than the ideology, though the liberal side is less crazy. Besides family, though, most of my friends are leftists.


It's very odd in my family. There are democratic socialists and social democrats two generations above mine, but the generation above mine is extremely socially conservative. I was taught that LGBT people are not natural, for example, and even today I don't discuss with them on this issue.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:37 pm

The rule is talk about American politics. Firstly because while we all disagree with each other we all agree American politics are stupid and no one likes Trump. Secondly because Gran (dad's side) is very pro Apartheid still and last family reunion her and other Gran were probably going to kill each other about the topic if they hadn't been separated.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:38 pm

Heloin wrote:The rule is talk about American politics. Firstly because while we all disagree with each other we all agree American politics are stupid and no one likes Trump. Secondly because Gran (dad's side) is very pro Apartheid still and last family reunion her and other Gran were probably going to kill each other about the topic if they hadn't been separated.


Are you from SA?
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Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favourite things
Chairwoman Oomiya in tea party with Azur Deutschland Rose Twins | Chairwoman Oomiya with delegation from various realms in celebration of 861st Birthday Gala
Borrow the Chairwoman's look with the new Oomiya Fall Collection

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Postby Heloin » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:40 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Heloin wrote:The rule is talk about American politics. Firstly because while we all disagree with each other we all agree American politics are stupid and no one likes Trump. Secondly because Gran (dad's side) is very pro Apartheid still and last family reunion her and other Gran were probably going to kill each other about the topic if they hadn't been separated.


Are you from SA?

Close.
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I will refer to the current clown as such, as he has worked very hard to earn my disrespect.

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Postby Sanghyeok » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:43 pm

Heloin wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
Are you from SA?

Close.


I saw your signature, but I thought you were from SA given apartheid.
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Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Oomiya sister

Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favourite things
Chairwoman Oomiya in tea party with Azur Deutschland Rose Twins | Chairwoman Oomiya with delegation from various realms in celebration of 861st Birthday Gala
Borrow the Chairwoman's look with the new Oomiya Fall Collection

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