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Sudan to normalize relations with Israel

Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:58 am

Trump announces Israel-Sudan peace deal, has call with Netanyahu, Sudan leaders

Breakthrough is 3rd Israeli accord with Arab states in weeks; Netanyahu hails ‘a new world’; Palestinians denounce another ‘stab in the back’
By Jacob Magid and Agencies 23 October 2020, 7:03 pm 4

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US President Donald Trump announces that Sudan will normalize relations with Israel at the White House in Washington, DC, on October 23, 2020. (Photo by Alex Edelman / AFP)
US President Donald Trump announces that Sudan will normalize relations with Israel at the White House in Washington, DC, on October 23, 2020. (Photo by Alex Edelman / AFP)

US President Donald Trump announced Friday that Sudan has agreed to make peace with Israel, making it the third Arab state to normalize ties as part of US-brokered deals since August.

During a call with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Sudan Sovereign Council president General Abdel Fattah al-Burhan and Sudanese Prime Minister Abdalla Hamdok, Trump brought reporters into the Oval Office and announced: “The State of Israel and the Republic of Sudan have agreed to make peace.”

A senior Trump aide, Judd Deere, specified that Sudan and Israel “have agreed to the normalization of relations.”

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“This is one of the great days in the history of Sudan,” Trump said, adding: “For decades, Sudan has been at a state of war with Israel. They have… boycotted Israeli goods. There was no relationship whatsoever. Today’s peace agreement will enhance Israel’s security and end Sudan’s long isolation from the world.”

“For much of recent history, the people of Sudan were ruled over by brutal Islamic dictatorships,” Trump noted. “It was the home of Osama bin Laden, a place of terror, genocide, and many other tragedies.” Today, “new democracy is taking root” and “the Sudanese transitional government has demonstrated its commitment to combating terrorism.”

“It is a new world,” Netanyahu said over the phone as Trump took questions from the White House press corps in the Oval Office. “We are cooperating with everyone. Building a better future for all of us.”

“We are expanding the circle of peace so rapidly with your leadership,” Netanyahu could be heard telling Trump, who responded by saying. “There are many, many more coming.”

“We very much look forward… to establis[hing] strong political and economic relations between our nations and the rest of the world,” said Hamdok.

“Thank you Mr. President Trump, Thank you Mr. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Mike, [Secretary of State of State Pompeo], thank you because you have stood with us from the beginning,” said al-Burhan.

Sudan also confirmed the deal. “Sudan and Israel agreed to normalize their relations, to end the state of aggression between them,” state TV said, reading a joint statement between Sudan, Israel and the United States. It was not specified when or even whether Israel and Sudan would open embassies in each other’s countries.

Netanyahu appeared to remain on the phone longer than the Sudanese leaders and took several questions from reporters.

Providing his analysis of the latest development, Netanyahu said, “I do see an enthusiasm from most countries in the world, from most people in the world across the political divide. Yeah, Iran is unhappy, Hezbollah is unhappy, Hamas is unhappy, but most everybody else is very happy.”

Trump was asked whether Israeli and Sudanese leaders would be invited to Washington for a signing ceremony akin to the one held last month with Netanyahu along with the foreign ministers of the UAE and Bahrain after those respective countries agreed to normalize ties with the Jewish state.

“We will have them along with some other countries that you’ll be hearing about coming, probably simultaneously,” Trump responded. “Then ultimately we’re going to have a big reunion at the end where everybody’s here and everybody’s gonna be signed. We expect Saudi Arabi is going to be one of those countries.”
In this September 15, 2020 file photo, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, left, US President Donald Trump, Bahrain Foreign Minister Abdullatif al-Zayani and United Arab Emirates Foreign Minister Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahyan pose for a photo on the Blue Room Balcony after signing the Abraham Accords during a ceremony on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon, File)

Trump also took a dig at Joe Biden, his opponent in the November election saying: “Do you think Sleepy Joe could have made this deal, Bibi?”

“Uh… one thing I can tell you is we appreciate the help for peace from anyone in America,” Netanyahu replied.

Netanyahu remained on the line as reporters continued asking questions. One of them pressed the prime minister for his thoughts on Trump’s prediction that Iran would be included in a broader regional peace deal stemming from the recent normalization agreements.

Netanyahu paused for a moment before responding. “Well… I spoke in the American Congress, I didn’t say I was opposed to any deal, I said I was opposed to that deal,” he said, referencing his 2015 address to a joint session of Congress during which he harangued the Obama-negotiated Iran nuclear deal.

“I think that if a new deal is offered…it would be welcome. I think that will only happen if Iran faces strong opposition to its aggression of the kind [pushed] by you Mr. President. If you’re soft with Iran, you’re not going to get peace with Iran. If you’re strong against Iran and prevent it from achieving nuclear weapons then I think they might come around to a better deal,” he added.

As the call was ongoing, PLO official Wasel Abu Youssef released a statement calling the agreement “a new stab in the back for the Palestinians,” while Hamas called it a “step in the wrong direction.”

The deal with Sudan will include aid and investment from Israel, particularly in technology and agriculture, along with further debt relief. It comes as Sudan and its transitional government teeter on the edge. Thousands have protested in the country’s capital Khartoum and other regions in recent days over dire economic conditions.
A demonstrator gives the victory sign at a protest, in Khartoum, Sudan, Wednesday, Oct. 21, 2020. Protesters have taken to the streets in the capital and across the country over dire living conditions and a deadly crackdown on demonstrators in the east earlier this month. Sudan is currently ruled by a joint civilian-military government, following the popular uprising that toppled longtime autocrat Omar al-Bashir last year. (AP Photo/Marwan Ali)

In a video statement released shortly after the announcement, Netanyahu said Israeli and Sudanese teams would soon meet for talks on “wide-ranging cooperation, including agriculture, trade and other sectors important to our citizens.”

Netanyahu also said that Sundanese airspace was now open for Israeli flights, which would shorten journeys from Israel to Africa and South America.

Sudan’s civilian prime minister, Abdalla Hamdok, thanked Trump on Twitter without mentioning recognition of Israel — a step he had earlier said he was not empowered to take.

“We’re working closely with the US administration & Congress to conclude the SSTL removal process in a timely manner,” Hamdok said, referring to the list of state sponsors of terrorism.

“From 3 NO’s to 3 YES’s,” tweeted Israel’s ambassador to the US Ron Dermer. “In 1967, the Arab world infamously declared in Sudan’s capital no recognition, no negotiation and no peace with Israel. Today, Sudan joins the UAE and Bahrain as the 3rd Arab country to make peace with Israel in 2020.”

Recently, the United States brokered diplomatic pacts between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. Jordan recognized Israel in the 1990s, while Egypt was the first to sign a peace deal in 1979.

Netanyahu has made it a priority to forge ties with formerly hostile countries in Africa and the Arab world in the absence of any progress with the Palestinians during his more than a decade in office. The deal also is aimed at unifying Arab countries against their common adversary, Iran.

These recent recognitions of Israel have undermined the traditional Arab consensus that there can be no normalization with Israel before the establishment of an independent Palestinian state. The Palestinians say the recognitions amount to betrayal, while Israel says the Palestinians have lost what they have seen as their “veto” over regional peace efforts.

Trump earlier on Friday signed a waiver to remove Khartoum from the State Department’s blacklist of state terror sponsors.

Related: ‘Yes, yes, yes’: Why peace with Khartoum would be true paradigm shift for Israel

That move was initially announced by Sudan’s ruling body, which called the step a “historic day for Sudan and its glorious revolution.”

“President Donald J. Trump has informed Congress of his intent to formally rescind Sudan’s designation as a State Sponsor of Terrorism,” the White House said. “Today represents a momentous step forward in the United States-Sudan bilateral relationship and marks a pivotal turning point for Sudan, allowing for a new future of collaboration and support for its ongoing and historic democratic transition,”

Trump announced his intention to sign the waiver on Monday, saying he would go through with the move after Sudan followed through on its pledge to deliver $335 million to compensate American victims of past terror attacks and their families. Sudan transferred the funds the next day.

The money is meant for victims of the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania by the al-Qaeda network while its leader, Osama bin Laden, was living in Sudan.
In this Tuesday, Aug. 11, 1998 file photo, teams from Israel, the US and France work with Kenyan rescuers during the evening to recover bodies trapped under the building adjacent to the U.S. embassy, left, which collapsed following a massive truck bomb that killed more than 200 people. (AP Photo/Sayyid Azim, File)

“By finally serving justice for the American people, President Trump was able to achieve what previous presidents could not – the resolution of longstanding claims of victims of the East Africa embassy bombings, the attack on the USS Cole, and the murder of USAID employee John Granville,” the White House said. “This is a significant achievement for the President and his Administration and brings a measure of closure to many to whom it has long been out of reach.”

Sudan’s presence on the terror list — along with Iran, North Korea and Syria — subjects it to crippling economic sanctions and limits the impoverished country’s access to international credit.

Congress now has 45 days to approve the measure.

Sudanese officials confirmed on Thursday that a senior US-Israeli delegation flew to Sudan on a private jet on Wednesday to wrap up the deal that would make Sudan the third Arab country to normalize ties with Israel this year.

Amid claims that a deal with Sudan could be announced within days, two government sources who spoke with Reuters said Hamdok has agreed, in principle, to normalize ties but not immediately — conditioning the move on ratification by a still non-existent transitional parliament.
Sudan’s Prime Minister Abdalla Hamdok speaks during a press conference in Khartoum, Sudan, Wednesday, Aug. 21, 2019. (AP)

Sudan is on a fragile path to democracy after a popular uprising last year led the military to overthrow longtime autocrat Omar al-Bashir. A military-civilian government rules the country, with elections possible in late 2022.

It remains unclear when a transitional parliament will be formed amid negotiations between the civilian and military parts of the transitional government.
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Netanyahu and Burhan in February held a landmark meeting in Uganda.

While Sudan does not have the influence or wealth of the Gulf Arab countries, a deal with the African country would be deeply significant for Israel.

Sudan hosted a landmark Arab League conference after the 1967 Six-Day War where eight Arab countries approved the “three ‘no’s”: no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel and no negotiations.

In 1993, the US designated Sudan a state sponsor of terrorism, in part for its support of anti-Israel terror groups, including Hamas and Hezbollah. Under al-Bashir, Sudan was believed to have served as a pipeline for Iran to supply weapons to Palestinian terrorists in the Gaza Strip. Israel was believed to have been behind airstrikes in Sudan that destroyed a weapons convoy in 2009 and a weapons factory in 2012.

For its part, The Brookings Institute, a Washington-based think-tank, warned recently that the debate about Israel ties “has ignored the fragility of Sudan’s political transition.”

It warned that “if normalization is seen as resulting from exploitation of Sudan’s economic and humanitarian desperation, it will be even more polarizing among the public [and] accelerate the erosion of support for the transition.”


The Arab chokehold on Israel continues to loosen little by little as the Trump administration brokers yet another peace deal, this time between Israel and Sudan, which is currently undergoing a transition to democracy, running counter to the idea that Donald Trump is a harbinger of democratic backsliding and rising authoritarianism around the world. The Palestinians must once again reckon with the fact that nobody, literally nobody, cares anymore for their incessant whining and attempts to blackmail the whole world into granting them special treatment instead of negotiating in good faith and following through on their side of any agreement, something which they have never done since they first claimed to exist as a distinct people instead of just calling themselves Arabs or Jordanians.

Donald Trump has just brokered peace deals between Israel and three Arab countries within the space of months and Saudi Arabia is likely to become the next Arab country to recognize Israel and normalize relations, unlike racist, antisemitic, Muslim-majority Malaysia whose government is a running joke.

It was also under his administration that the United States formally recognized Jerusalem as Israel's eternal, indivisible capital, bringing it in line with the capitals of every other country in the world and sending a clear message to Israel's naysayers that the demonizing, delegitimizing double standard against Israel simply will not be tolerated for much longer and something has to give. The United States has also defunded and withdrawn from parasitic UNRWA and racist, one-sided UNESCO in addition to other biased, corrupt, China-centric world bodies such as the WHO and the UNHRC.

It is also taking Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and other left-leaning, increasingly woke NGOs to task for their anti-Israel bias and Amnesty's explicit support for the antisemitic BDS movement that effectively seeks to abolish Israel's very existence as a Jewish, democratic state and enable a genocidal, bloodthirsty mob of Arab ultranationalists and radical Islamists to overrun the country and subjugate and humiliate the Jewish people all over again because Islam is a religion of peace, there is no compulsion in Islam, Jews are People of the Book, Arabs and Muslims are totally not virulently racist and xenophobic toward Jews, dhimmitude and inferior, second-class status for non-Muslims totally isn't a thing, sharia will not be imposed on non-Muslims by stealth just as it currently is here in Muslim Malaysia even though there is supposed to be "no compulsion in Islam" and all those Muslims and Muslim governments doing and saying intolerant things in the name of Islam are somehow "not really Muslims" because no true Scotsman drinks vodka, and some of the "peaceful" verses from the Qur'an somehow mean a damn thing to me when many of its followers contradict these verses, lie, and gaslight everyone over and over with their religious bullshit.

Donald Trump's impressive and hugely successful Middle East policy is yet another reason to get out and vote for him on Nov. 3. Four more years.

But to turn this over to NSG, what do you think? Is this a harbinger for peace in the Middle East and is Donald Trump's Middle East policy the most successful to date? Or is President Trump somehow a danger to world peace for easing tensions with Russia, North Korea, and between Arab countries and Israel, and pulling troops from warzones instead of opening up new theaters of war, something Hillary, Obama, Bush, Bill, and Bush Sr. were against, while actually adopting an increasingly hard line against Iran, China, Venezuela, Cuba, and other leftist, anti-Western dictatorships? Is Orange Man really that bad?

Does Israel have a right to exist? Are Palestinians an invented people? Can Arabs and Muslims do no wrong and are they, like African-Americans in the USA, always the "oppressed" victims of "white supremacy" to be mollycoddled by white, virtue-signaling, woke leftists at the expense of real social justice until the end of time, and if you disagree and refuse to take the knee for blacks, Arabs, Muslims, Palestinians, and illegal immigrants, you're a racist and a dogwhistling white supremacist who suffers from white fragility/internalized racism even though they (leftists) are the ones who have been engaging in absolutely vile, racist behavior at home and abroad which is why everyone should vote for Donald Trump on Nov. 3 because he is the only candidate who stands firmly against this racist, gaslighting bullshit and will never turn his back on Israel unlike his predecessor?
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Postby Libertalonia » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:03 am

Donald Trump has just brokered peace deals between Israel and three Arab countries within the space of months and Saudi Arabia is likely to become the next Arab country to recognize Israel and normalize relations, unlike racist, antisemitic, Muslim-majority Malaysia whose government is a running joke.


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Postby Vivolkha » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:03 am

Arab nations recognizing Israel (a positive development) has much more to do with the current Middle East Cold War than with Donald Trump. Except the UAE, most petromonarchies have some of the most expensive, wasteful and inefficient armies in the world. Meanwhile, Israel, which is just as opposed to Iran as they are, has the most efficient army in the world and very advanced military technology.

Israelis have the right to have a place to live and Israel is not going anywhere. Denying its existance doesn't change the facts in the ground.
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Postby Nilokeras » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:10 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:But to turn this over to NSG, what do you think? Is this a harbinger for peace in the Middle East and is Donald Trump's Middle East policy the most successful to date? Or is President Trump somehow a danger to world peace for easing tensions with Russia, North Korea, and between Arab countries and Israel, and pulling troops from warzones instead of opening up new theaters of war, something Hillary, Obama, Bush, Bill, and Bush Sr. were against, while actually adopting an increasingly hard line against Iran, China, Venezuela, Cuba, and other leftist, anti-Western dictatorships? Is Orange Man really that bad?

Does Israel have a right to exist? Are Palestinians an invented people? Can Arabs and Muslims do no wrong and are they, like African-Americans in the USA, always the "oppressed" victims of "white supremacy" to be mollycoddled by white, virtue-signaling, woke leftists at the expense of real social justice until the end of time, and if you disagree and refuse to take the knee for blacks, Arabs, Muslims, Palestinians, and illegal immigrants, you're a racist and a dogwhistling white supremacist who suffers from white fragility/internalized racism even though they (leftists) are the ones who have been engaging in absolutely vile, racist behavior at home and abroad which is why everyone should vote for Donald Trump on Nov. 3 because he is the only candidate who stands firmly against this racist, gaslighting bullshit and will never turn his back on Israel unlike his predecessor?


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Postby -Ocelot- » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:20 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:But to turn this over to NSG, what do you think? Is this a harbinger for peace in the Middle East and is Donald Trump's Middle East policy the most successful to date? Or is President Trump somehow a danger to world peace for easing tensions with Russia, North Korea, and between Arab countries and Israel, and pulling troops from warzones instead of opening up new theaters of war, something Hillary, Obama, Bush, Bill, and Bush Sr. were against, while actually adopting an increasingly hard line against Iran, China, Venezuela, Cuba, and other leftist, anti-Western dictatorships? Is Orange Man really that bad?


That's a LOT of bias in a single paragraph. Trump isn't easing tensions with other countries, he is mostly letting them have their way with the US, endangering his own country in the long run. You can't actually improve relations with countries like North Korea, China or Russia. Easing tensions there means that you give them more room to dominate you in the future.

But to answer your OP's question, these are good news. Israel and the Jewish people have the right to exist. This right has been denied and questioned by extremists ever since Israel was founded, and extremists in the Arab world have been particularly invested in wiping out the Jews. So any improvement of relations between these nations is a step towards the right direction. Israel is a beacon of democracy in its region and all western countries should support it, including the USA.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:00 am

Is it more arm twisting than brokering a peace deal? Is Trump just exerting pressure on minnows? Seems rather cosmetic in that way to me.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:02 am

So what did Trump actually do to deserve credit for this beyond just insisting that he get credit for this?
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Vassenor wrote:So what did Trump actually do to deserve credit for this beyond just insisting that he get credit for this?


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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:08 am

Vassenor wrote:So what did Trump actually do to deserve credit for this beyond just insisting that he get credit for this?

Afaik Kushner do genuinely deserve some if not many credit to this. Trump, not really, though.
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Your arguments would be strengthened by making them legible and connecting them in some way to reality.
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Oh hey, it's that piece of news that I've shared as part of uplifting!

So... I guess and hope that this goes well!



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Postby Picairn » Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:05 am

This was quite a rollercoaster of Gish Gallop in epic proportions. I felt anger, displeasure, irritation, and indignation throughout numerous lies, half-truths and hasty generalizations in these paragraphs.

Perhaps I should one day compile a list of the most common BS arguments and proceed to debunk them, with some help.

Aside from that, peace is slowly returning to the Middle East. Some good news at best.

Edit: I was researching the Gish Gallop technique when I came across this gem:

In a debate on the morality of America's Founding Fathers, a Gish Gallop might look like this:

"Sure we think that they were good folks, but did you know that Washington not only had more than 100,000 slaves, but he also staged gladiatorial games and made them fight to the death? He also ran a network of opium dens and used his gladiators as couriers to deliver opium all over the 52 states. In fact Washington's opium smuggling got so bad that the British had to step in which caused the Opium War that led to the Revolutionary War and John Locke's famous statement that he had to be given the liberty to smoke opium, or he'd prefer death. That also points out another problem, in that most of the Founding Fathers were part of Washington's opium cult and Ben Franklin's most harmful invention was actually a process to purify the active ingredient in opium and inject it. That's right, Ben Franklin invented heroin! What's more, by the time Andrew Jackson was president the US government was so full of drug addicts that they created a soft drink that was just a way to get cocaine into their systems. Don't believe me? It was called Coca Cola because it was a cola with cocaine in it. Go look it up and you'll find I'm right, coca cola really did contain cocaine!"
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Postby Fluvannia » Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:12 am

Wonderful news! Any time the amount of peace in the world grows, it's a good thing.
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Postby Punished UMN » Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:36 am

I would rather they hadn't done that.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:08 am

Arab world needs to take Israel as an example
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Postby Echellia » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:16 am

This is very good news. Israel is a secular democracy in the heart of a region rife with tyranny and Islamic extremism. It's pretty much the only part of the Middle East where women have equal rights and LGBT people don't have to live in constant fear of violence or persecution. The increased acceptance of a developed secular democracy can only mean a more peaceful and stable future for the region.
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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:27 am

A wise decision that both Israel and Sudan will benefit from. I’m glad to see this development and hope other Arab states follow suit.

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:32 am

Echellia wrote:This is very good news. Israel is a secular democracy in the heart of a region rife with tyranny and Islamic extremism. It's pretty much the only part of the Middle East where women have equal rights and LGBT people don't have to live in constant fear of violence or persecution. The increased acceptance of a developed secular democracy can only mean a more peaceful and stable future for the region.

Shame it’s an apartheid state, though. And how secular is it actually? With the ruling conservatives?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:32 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Arab world needs to take Israel as an example


In what sense?
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:44 am

Vassenor wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Arab world needs to take Israel as an example


In what sense?
They should take their cultural and civilization as an example. Israel extracts ten times more scientific data from the Arab world
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Postby -Ocelot- » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:52 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
In what sense?
They should take their cultural and civilization as an example. Israel extracts ten times more scientific data from the Arab world


Also that its a democratic, secular nation.

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:53 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
In what sense?
They should take their cultural and civilization as an example. Israel extracts ten times more scientific data from the Arab world

Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?

And what is “Israeli culture and civilisation” exactly?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:56 am

Disappointing and disgraceful but not surprising. If there's one thing Arab countries are good at, it's throwing other Arabs under the bus.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:57 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:They should take their cultural and civilization as an example. Israel extracts ten times more scientific data from the Arab world

Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?

And what is “Israeli culture and civilisation” exactly?


A confusing mix of Indian, Eastern European, Southern European, Middle Eastern and American culture. Unlike here in the US, the Israeli Jewish community is still very divided based on national origin and frankly without the outside enemy of the Palestinians or Iranians, Israel would have probably had a civil war already.
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