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Postby HIreland » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:32 am

Improve human nature a bit.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:15 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:The premise makes little sense to me. Mostly because language is inherently ambiguous, so nothing could happen ‘exactly as written’. Besides, the book is bound by the laws of nations, which means I cannot use it as I want. As soon as I start feeding the world, people would make it illegal for me to do so. I cannot provide housing to people, because I need permits and I need to own land, and I cannot steal land. I cannot take power or violate a constitution, even to make it more democratic. I can literally only use the book in a way that serves myself or those closest to me. The book is nothing else than winning a large amount of money, although the money would allow me to have more power, since the money can buy me a home. The book cannot create money, since that is illegal.

The Free Joy State wrote:Good point.

So, *abracadabra*, the pandemic ceases to exist, then every country on earth becomes a transparent democracy with free and fair elections (I assume I can do this as long as I have no wishes to manoeuvre myself into any position of power, which I don't), healthcare that's free at the point of service and excellent education for all, then end poverty.

Then... party time.

EDIT: Then hide the book, because the implications of what it could be used for is rather frightening.


You would be changing constitutions, which is illegal.

well when I said criminal activity I was thinking of people using it become a criminal mastermind. I left the rules ambiguous for a reason.

Im pretty sure you could do all the things you mentioned within the parameters.
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Postby North Cromch » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:31 am

Maybe create cloning machines so we don't run out of iron, plastic and all that.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:36 am

North Cromch wrote:Maybe create cloning machines so we don't run out of iron, plastic and all that.

Given that there is already a serious problem with plastic pollution, creating a neverending supply of it wouldn't be good. Unless you are talking about biodegradable plastics.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
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Postby Chan Island » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:33 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:The premise makes little sense to me. Mostly because language is inherently ambiguous, so nothing could happen ‘exactly as written’. Besides, the book is bound by the laws of nations, which means I cannot use it as I want. As soon as I start feeding the world, people would make it illegal for me to do so. I cannot provide housing to people, because I need permits and I need to own land, and I cannot steal land. I cannot take power or violate a constitution, even to make it more democratic. I can literally only use the book in a way that serves myself or those closest to me. The book is nothing else than winning a large amount of money, although the money would allow me to have more power, since the money can buy me a home. The book cannot create money, since that is illegal.

The Free Joy State wrote:Good point.

So, *abracadabra*, the pandemic ceases to exist, then every country on earth becomes a transparent democracy with free and fair elections (I assume I can do this as long as I have no wishes to manoeuvre myself into any position of power, which I don't), healthcare that's free at the point of service and excellent education for all, then end poverty.

Then... party time.

EDIT: Then hide the book, because the implications of what it could be used for is rather frightening.


You would be changing constitutions, which is illegal.


How is the law of nations going to stop you? You could literally write that nobody could find you with it, and it would make that reality.

Besides, by your logic writing in a lot of money for yourself would be worse, as that would definitely attract the attention of tax authorities.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:40 am

Chan Island wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:The premise makes little sense to me. Mostly because language is inherently ambiguous, so nothing could happen ‘exactly as written’. Besides, the book is bound by the laws of nations, which means I cannot use it as I want. As soon as I start feeding the world, people would make it illegal for me to do so. I cannot provide housing to people, because I need permits and I need to own land, and I cannot steal land. I cannot take power or violate a constitution, even to make it more democratic. I can literally only use the book in a way that serves myself or those closest to me. The book is nothing else than winning a large amount of money, although the money would allow me to have more power, since the money can buy me a home. The book cannot create money, since that is illegal.



You would be changing constitutions, which is illegal.


How is the law of nations going to stop you? You could literally write that nobody could find you with it, and it would make that reality.

Besides, by your logic writing in a lot of money for yourself would be worse, as that would definitely attract the attention of tax authorities.

The condition of "nothing illegal" that was attached to the OP is tangling us all in knots tbh, it would have been better if it hadn't been included. But then again you could just use the book to change the law so that whatever you are doing isn't breaking the law...
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:44 am

Jennifer Lawrence, kristen bell, and Patti murin all move in and Mrs. Mermania couldnt be happier, I also hit the lotto a couple times.
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Postby Twicetagram and JYPe » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:23 am

use this book to make the world less shittier in my eyes. and also i get to live on a cloud that doesn't spontaneously burst with rain in 5 seconds.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:47 am

We get a colony on Mars.

Make the Muhlenberg legend come true, just to mess with the Americans.

Katy Perry moves into my house. Kristen Bell and Jennifer Lawrence move out of Ethel's house and into mine.

I get a bigger house.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:13 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:We get a colony on Mars.

Make the Muhlenberg legend come true, just to mess with the Americans.

Katy Perry moves into my house. Kristen Bell and Jennifer Lawrence move out of Ethel's house and into mine.

I get a bigger house.

I can't believe you would make Mrs mermania sad.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
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The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:38 am

I’d make the Addams family my neighbors and have their house look identical to how it’s portrayed on screen

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:40 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:We get a colony on Mars.

Make the Muhlenberg legend come true, just to mess with the Americans.

Katy Perry moves into my house. Kristen Bell and Jennifer Lawrence move out of Ethel's house and into mine.

I get a bigger house.

I can't believe you would make Mrs mermania sad.


She still has Patti Murin.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:37 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I can't believe you would make Mrs mermania sad.


She still has Patti Murin.

But, but, but.....
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:02 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
She still has Patti Murin.

But, but, but.....


Quit complaining or I write that George Clooney, Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio move into your house. I am sure that would make Mrs Mermania happy (unless I am wildly wrong in my assumptions here).
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:07 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:But, but, but.....


Quit complaining or I write that George Clooney, Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio move into your house. I am sure that would make Mrs Mermania happy (unless I am wildly wrong in my assumptions here).

Lol that'd actually be heaven for some married men...
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:12 pm

I mean, could I cause things to happen that will eventually lead to deaths, if there’s a long enough chain of events between whatever I did and the death that was eventually caused? Is it just a matter of not being allowed to designate specific people to die? Can I write something bad happening to a specific person but then just sorta leave it open-ended in the book as to what happened? Can I imply that I will do various crimes but not spell it out?

These rules seem simple but they’re actually very confusing

Anyways: vaccine, cures for lots of diseases, cheap fusion power, desalination, and carbon capture, space elevator, world peace, nice house and garden, ideal partner
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:13 pm

Senkaku wrote:I mean, could I cause things to happen that will eventually lead to deaths, if there’s a long enough chain of events between whatever I did and the death that was eventually caused? Is it just a matter of not being allowed to designate specific people to die? Can I write something bad happening to a specific person but then just sorta leave it open-ended in the book as to what happened? Can I imply that I will do various crimes but not spell it out?

These rules seem simple but they’re actually very confusing


I did that on purpose. I said the no killing so a black book from a certain famous anime wasn't mentioned.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:22 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:But, but, but.....


Quit complaining or I write that George Clooney, Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio move into your house. I am sure that would make Mrs Mermania happy (unless I am wildly wrong in my assumptions here).

I guess we will always have patti
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Kannap » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:30 pm

I grant my best friends and I enough money that we live comfortably.

I write that I have a nice mountainside house with a beautiful view in Asheville, NC.

I write that I own a bookstore/coffee shop in Asheville that is doing well enough to stay in business

I write that humanity is working together on an immense solution to climate change and has adopted Half Earth and eco-city philosophies on a wide scale.

I write that nobody in the world is homeless or starving, the abundance of homes and food are spread to those who need them.

I write that LGBT people and POC are truly equal and homophobia/transphobia/racism no longer exist.

I write that I have the boyfriend of my dreams.

I, uh, get petty and write that people like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos now live in poverty and have to see what it's like to not have stupid amounts of money.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:09 pm

Kannap wrote:I grant my best friends and I enough money that we live comfortably.

I write that I have a nice mountainside house with a beautiful view in Asheville, NC.

I write that I own a bookstore/coffee shop in Asheville that is doing well enough to stay in business

I write that humanity is working together on an immense solution to climate change and has adopted Half Earth and eco-city philosophies on a wide scale.

I write that nobody in the world is homeless or starving, the abundance of homes and food are spread to those who need them.

I write that LGBT people and POC are truly equal and homophobia/transphobia/racism no longer exist.

I write that I have the boyfriend of my dreams.

I, uh, get petty and write that people like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos now live in poverty and have to see what it's like to not have stupid amounts of money.

all fantastic things.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:19 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Good point.

So, *abracadabra*, the pandemic ceases to exist, then every country on earth becomes a transparent democracy with free and fair elections (I assume I can do this as long as I have no wishes to manoeuvre myself into any position of power, which I don't), healthcare that's free at the point of service and excellent education for all, then end poverty.

Then... party time.

EDIT: Then hide the book, because the implications of what it could be used for is rather frightening.


You would be changing constitutions, which is illegal.

Okay, then. Should the rules turn out to be that literal... I write in the book that the leaders of every country suddenly -- and without knowing why -- choose to institute free and fair elections, and re-write all constitutions around the world granting all persons -- regardless of race, gender or creed -- a free vote in regular elections without any governmental oppression. They will not know why, they will just suddenly realise it's a bloody good idea, and won't know what took them so long.

Plus all the other stuff.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:26 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
You would be changing constitutions, which is illegal.

Okay, then. Should the rules turn out to be that literal... I write in the book that the leaders of every country suddenly -- and without knowing why -- choose to institute free and fair elections, and re-write all constitutions around the world granting all persons -- regardless of race, gender or creed -- a free vote in regular elections without any governmental oppression. They will not know why, they will just suddenly realise it's a bloody good idea, and won't know what took them so long.

Plus all the other stuff.


I dont envision them as being that literal. I didn't want to run afoul of site rules so I added in the no killing and no criminal activity but left them vague on purpose as to be open to interpretation.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:11 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
How is the law of nations going to stop you? You could literally write that nobody could find you with it, and it would make that reality.

Besides, by your logic writing in a lot of money for yourself would be worse, as that would definitely attract the attention of tax authorities.

The condition of "nothing illegal" that was attached to the OP is tangling us all in knots tbh, it would have been better if it hadn't been included. But then again you could just use the book to change the law so that whatever you are doing isn't breaking the law...

Well there is no law against giving yourself mind control powers is there? Just do that and use it to change society as you see fit. Easy.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:13 am

Andsed wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:The condition of "nothing illegal" that was attached to the OP is tangling us all in knots tbh, it would have been better if it hadn't been included. But then again you could just use the book to change the law so that whatever you are doing isn't breaking the law...

Well there is no law against giving yourself mind control powers is there? Just do that and use it to change society as you see fit. Easy.


No you could make yourself Charles Xavier if you wanted. Heck give yourself the powers of the mutant Apocalypse. I added the no criminal activity because I didnt want to run afoul of site rules. I made them vague on purpose so it would be open to interpretation.

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:16 am

I'd make it give me a burger.

Really craving a good burger right now.

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