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[DRAFT] Where's the Beef?

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Titanne
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[DRAFT] Where's the Beef?

Postby Titanne » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:46 pm

Description

After popular radio talk show host and practically carnivorous firebrand @@RANDOMNAME@@ accidentally consumed one of those new-fangled "Improbable Burgers", thinking it was real meat, the issue of misleading labelling when it comes to meat substitutes has somehow found it's way shoved into your hands by an advisor on your lunch break. Several burgers have been laid out in front of you.

Validity

Is this issue valid for all nations?

Not Vegetarian Nations

Choices

1. "@@LEADER@@, this is ridiculous! If I, a well informed consumer, can be confused by this misleading packaging, then so can your average Joe! The meat alternative industry has just gone too far!" hollers @@RANDOMNAME@@, shoving an empty box of veggie burgers into your face, labelled as "meatless" in small print, with the second syllable of the word in even smaller print next to it. @@HE@@ simultaneously waves a box of real burgers in his other hand. "When I think of burgers, I think of good, juicy, @@DENONYM@@ beef! Maybe those weird turkey burgers, too, but not THIS!" @@HE@@ continues to shout. "Ban the use of the term 'burger' for all products that don't actually contain real meat!"

Fallout: Plant discs have seen a sudden drop in sales following their rebranding from veggie burgers.

Validity

Is this choice valid for all nations?

Yes

2. "Look, the bottom line is that consumers can make these choices on their own," says slick-talking Meatless Meat CEO @@RANDOMNAME@@. "And who knows how many of my customers- I mean fellow vegetarians- wouldn't buy my products anymore if I was forced to label them something like- something like- Vegetable Circles!" @@HE@@ screeches. "Oh, the horror! Allow my company to call our products what we want, so long as they don't infringe on copyrights. Please, if you have any sense! Now..." @@HE@@ continues, grabbing one of the burgers off of your desk. "Let's try one of our delicious Improbable Burgers. DAMN IT! This is one of the meat ones!", @@HE@@ finishes, as @@HE@@ chomps into a burger he had mistaken for his own.

Fallout: Vegetarians and vegans alike find themselves breaking their diets due to new misleading packaging from both the meat industry and the meat alternative business.

Validity

Is this choice valid for all nations?

Yes

3. Your aide, @@RANDOMNAMEFEMALE@@, comes up and whispers into your ear. "You know... maybe it would be best to keep this debate on the back burner for a bit. Anyways: let the sides fight a bit while we add increasing regulations on the quality and environmental impact of their products. I've been looking for ways for us to do so for a while, and this presents the perfect opportunity. Make sure that the emission levels from the industry are low, keep the packaging environmentally friendly, that sort of thing."

Fallout: The government has cracked down on the environmental impact of the meat industry, leaving them pining for the good ol' days.

Validity

Is this choice valid for all nations?

Yes
Last edited by Titanne on Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:44 pm, edited 6 times in total.
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Boston Castle
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Postby Boston Castle » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:52 pm

Titanne wrote:Description

After popular radio talk show host and practically carnivorous firebrand @@RANDOMNAME@@ accidentally consumed one of those new-fangled "Improbable Burgers", thinking it was real meat, the issue of misleading labelling when it comes to meat substitutes has somehow found it's way shoved into your hands by an advisor on your lunch break. Several burgers have been laid out in front of you.

Validity

Is this issue valid for all nations?

Yes

Choices

1. "@@LEADER@@, this is ridiculous! If I, a well informed consumer, can be confused by this misleading packaging, then so can your average joe! The meat alternative industry has just gone too far!" hollers @@RANDOMNAME@@, shoving an empty box of veggie burgers into your face, labelled as "meatless" in small print, with the second syllable of the word in even smaller print next to it. @@HE@@ simultaneously waves a box of real burgers in his other hand. "When I think of burgers, I think of good, juicy, @@DENONYM@@ beef! Maybe those weird turkey burgers, too, but not THIS!" @@HE@@ continues to shout. "Ban the use of the term 'burger' for all products that don't actually contain real meat!"

Fallout: Plant discs have seen a sudden drop in sales following their rebranding from veggie burgers.

Validity

Is this choice valid for all nations?

Yes

2. "Look, the bottom line is that consumers can make these choices on their own," says slick-talking Meatless Meat CEO @@RANDOMNAME@@. "And who knows how many of my customers- I mean fellow vegetarians- wouldn't buy my products anymore if I was forced to label them something like- something like- Vegetable Circles!" @@HE@@ screeches. "Oh, the horror! Allow my company to call our products what we want, so long as they don't infringe on copyrights. Please, if you have any sense! Now..." @@HE@@ continues, grabbing one of the burgers off of your desk. "Let's try one of our delicious Improbable Burgers. DAMN IT! This is one of the meat ones!", @@HE@@ finishes, as @@HE@@ chomps into a burger he had mistaken for his own.

Fallout: Vegetarians and vegans alike find themselves breaking their diets due to new misleading packaging from both the meat industry and the meat alternative business.

Validity

Is this choice valid for all nations?

Yes
2. Your aide, @@RANDOMNAMEFEMALE@@, comes up and whispers into your ear. "You know... maybe it would be best to keep this debate on the back burner for a bit. Hey, get it, like back burner on a grill?", she grins dopily. "All these free burgers and veggie burgers are nice and would save us a fortune on the cafeteria food for visitors and our staffers..." She then grabs two more burgers off your desk and ferrets them off to her own office nextdoor.

Fallout: The government tolerates angry meat industry lobbyists in exchange for endless supply of free meals.

Validity

Is this choice valid for all nations?

Yes

Just going to start by saying a bit of a formatting thing. You have 2 (2.)s. Second, put a line between "Yes" after Option 2, and Option 3.
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Roman Numerals VI
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Postby Roman Numerals VI » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:57 pm

Titanne wrote:one of those new-fangled "Improbable Burgers",


I might leave this part out of the description. However, you could include this in one of the options, for example:

"Just another one of those new-fangled 'Improbable Burgers,'" snarls @@RANDOMANME@@,

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Titanne
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Postby Titanne » Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:21 pm

Boston Castle wrote:
Titanne wrote:-snip-

Just going to start by saying a bit of a formatting thing. You have 2 (2.)s. Second, put a line between "Yes" after Option 2, and Option 3.

Fixed.
Roman Numerals VI wrote:
Titanne wrote:one of those new-fangled "Improbable Burgers",


I might leave this part out of the description. However, you could include this in one of the options, for example:

"Just another one of those new-fangled 'Improbable Burgers,'" snarls @@RANDOMANME@@,
Why’s that?
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Postby Baggieland » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:35 pm

Surprisingly I saw a news report on this very topic just the other day, I think it was from the European Union who are debating the use of the word "burger" and "sausage" for non-meat products. And your options 1 and 2 pretty much cover exactly what I saw in the news report.

However, I don't get your option 3. Every option requires an action or legislation that a government can take. Not just eat the samples that were left by the previous speakers. So you need to completely redo option 3.

Titanne wrote:Validity

Is this issue valid for all nations?

Yes

Valid for not vegetarian nations.

Titanne wrote:then so can your average joe!

Capital J for Joe.
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Titanne
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Postby Titanne » Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:26 am

Baggieland wrote:Surprisingly I saw a news report on this very topic just the other day, I think it was from the European Union who are debating the use of the word "burger" and "sausage" for non-meat products. And your options 1 and 2 pretty much cover exactly what I saw in the news report.

However, I don't get your option 3. Every option requires an action or legislation that a government can take. Not just eat the samples that were left by the previous speakers. So you need to completely redo option 3.

Titanne wrote:Validity

Is this issue valid for all nations?

Yes

Valid for not vegetarian nations.

Titanne wrote:then so can your average joe!

Capital J for Joe.

I was inspired by that news story! :p

I'll rework to fit the points you brought up, thanks for the feedback!
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Postby Baggieland » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:55 pm

Titanne wrote:Hey, get it, like back burner on a grill? Anyways:

Get rid of this. If you need to explain a joke; it ain't funny. We all get the back burner reference.

Titanne wrote:we add increasing regulations on the quality and environmental impact of their products.

So this is the governmental action for any player that chooses option3? I think you need to elaborate a bit more as to what exactly is going on here.

Update from the real world: the EU has ruled that it is okay for vegetarian products to use the words "sausage" and "burger". Now I know who to sue if I buy a veggie burger by mistake!
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Titanne
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Postby Titanne » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:44 pm

Baggieland wrote:
Titanne wrote:Hey, get it, like back burner on a grill? Anyways:

Get rid of this. If you need to explain a joke; it ain't funny. We all get the back burner reference.

Titanne wrote:we add increasing regulations on the quality and environmental impact of their products.

So this is the governmental action for any player that chooses option3? I think you need to elaborate a bit more as to what exactly is going on here.

Update from the real world: the EU has ruled that it is okay for vegetarian products to use the words "sausage" and "burger". Now I know who to sue if I buy a veggie burger by mistake!

Noted, and edited.
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Postby Baggieland » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:56 pm

Right, it's still not working for me. Your issue is about what words can be used on labelling. Option 3 is now about environmentally friendly processes, so option 3 is no longer related to the original problem.

Remember, the 3rd option is often a crazy option. Perhaps something along the lines of all labelling must contain exact details of the product - leading to a rise in red tape. Or no labelling at all, so customers have to look at the product and guess what it is.
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Boston Castle
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Postby Boston Castle » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:19 pm

Baggieland wrote:Right, it's still not working for me. Your issue is about what words can be used on labelling. Option 3 is now about environmentally friendly processes, so option 3 is no longer related to the original problem.

Remember, the 3rd option is often a crazy option. Perhaps something along the lines of all labelling must contain exact details of the product - leading to a rise in red tape. Or no labelling at all, so customers have to look at the product and guess what it is.

Couldn't that just be a 4th option? Or else a revised 3rd option?
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Postby Baggieland » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:46 pm

Boston Castle wrote:Or else a revised 3rd option?


That's what I'm proposing.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:08 am

Ha? The reason why Hungry Jacks (or Burger King, if you live outside of Australia) introduced the impossible whopper was so they can tell the world about how pro-vegiterian they are, as vegetarianism is popular right now. Do you really honestly think that they actually give a shit about the actual cause? Because if do, I have an igloo in the Caribbean which you might be interested in. Also, why would a vegetarian be the CEO of a burger chain? Also, the use of "beef" assumes that @@NAME@@ isn't prodominately Hindu
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