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by Ardiveds » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:33 pm
by Tinfect » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:48 pm
Ardiveds wrote:OOC: What's the purpose of 4B, especially with those arbitrary periods of time?
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by Clton » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:17 am
Tinfect wrote:Ardiveds wrote:OOC: What's the purpose of 4B, especially with those arbitrary periods of time?
OOC:
Gatekeeping. It's one of those 'to make sure they really mean it' policies that serves no purpose except to cause suffering. Similar to clause 4a, which seeks to decide who is 'really trans', a standard which has done nothing but cause immense harm.
by Honeydewistania » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:21 am
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Tinhampton » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:55 am
Clton wrote:1.No Sexual Hormones or “Puberty Blockers”... Age of Majority... Sex Reassignment Surgery may not be Carried out on any individual below the Age of Majority... A International Committee... Biological Sex of an Individual... Before Sex Reassignment Surgery... Gender Dysphoria... A Mandatory waiting period... The International Committee
by Separatist Peoples » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:56 am
Clton wrote:Tinfect wrote:
OOC:
Gatekeeping. It's one of those 'to make sure they really mean it' policies that serves no purpose except to cause suffering. Similar to clause 4a, which seeks to decide who is 'really trans', a standard which has done nothing but cause immense harm.
OOC:
I did that because this procedure is Irreversible
in the long term it prevents suffering
I’ve heard many stories i people regretting it
by Tinfect » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:59 am
Clton wrote:OOC:
in the long term it prevents suffering
Clton wrote:I’ve heard many stories i people regretting it
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by The New Nordic Union » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:00 am
Clton wrote:1.No Sexual Hormones or “Puberty Blockers” may be used on any individual below the Age of Majority
Tinfect wrote:OOC:
God awful legislation driven by transphobic fear mongering and gatekeeping bullshit.
Best advice you're going to get: Drop this proposal and do some research.
by Honeydewistania » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:01 am
Clton wrote:Tinfect wrote:
OOC:
Gatekeeping. It's one of those 'to make sure they really mean it' policies that serves no purpose except to cause suffering. Similar to clause 4a, which seeks to decide who is 'really trans', a standard which has done nothing but cause immense harm.
OOC:
I did that because this procedure is Irreversible
in the long term it prevents suffering
I’ve heard many stories i people regretting it
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Ardiveds » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:04 am
Clton wrote:Tinfect wrote:
OOC:
Gatekeeping. It's one of those 'to make sure they really mean it' policies that serves no purpose except to cause suffering. Similar to clause 4a, which seeks to decide who is 'really trans', a standard which has done nothing but cause immense harm.
OOC:
I did that because this procedure is Irreversible
in the long term it prevents suffering
I’ve heard many stories i people regretting it
by The New Nordic Union » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:06 am
Clton wrote:Tinfect wrote:
OOC:
Gatekeeping. It's one of those 'to make sure they really mean it' policies that serves no purpose except to cause suffering. Similar to clause 4a, which seeks to decide who is 'really trans', a standard which has done nothing but cause immense harm.
OOC:
I did that because this procedure is Irreversible
in the long term it prevents suffering
I’ve heard many stories i people regretting it
by Clton » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:22 am
Tinhampton wrote:Clton wrote:
My caps key acts weird sometimesClton wrote:1.No Sexual Hormones or “Puberty Blockers”... Age of Majority... Sex Reassignment Surgery may not be Carried out on any individual below the Age of Majority... A International Committee... Biological Sex of an Individual... Before Sex Reassignment Surgery... Gender Dysphoria... A Mandatory waiting period... The International Committee
For somebody whose Caps Lock key is supposedly borked, it seems to do a good job at only capitalising the first letter of certain words, never on any other letter positions and never to any other words.
by Separatist Peoples » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:24 am
Clton wrote:Tinhampton wrote:
For somebody whose Caps Lock key is supposedly borked, it seems to do a good job at only capitalising the first letter of certain words, never on any other letter positions and never to any other words.
Its the auto cap from IOS sometimes it just makes a word cap for some reason
by Clton » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:24 am
by Separatist Peoples » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:25 am
by Clton » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:26 am
Ardiveds wrote:Clton wrote:
OOC:
I did that because this procedure is Irreversible
in the long term it prevents suffering
I’ve heard many stories i people regretting it
OOC: I get it but not only are the numbers still arbitrary, such waiting periods can have many negative effects as well as Tinfect said (especially since you already require that the individual has has to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria)
Second, why do we need an international committee for licensing doctors? Why can't the nations themselves be trusted?
by Honeydewistania » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:30 am
Clton wrote:Ardiveds wrote:OOC: I get it but not only are the numbers still arbitrary, such waiting periods can have many negative effects as well as Tinfect said (especially since you already require that the individual has has to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria)
Second, why do we need an international committee for licensing doctors? Why can't the nations themselves be trusted?
OOC:the doctors will he licensed by the international committee because some nations can be extremely conservative and not license anyone and others can be extremely liberal and license those not fit to do so
Also the waiting periods aren't arbitrary 6 months to 2 years its reasonable
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Separatist Peoples » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:32 am
Clton wrote:Ardiveds wrote:OOC: I get it but not only are the numbers still arbitrary, such waiting periods can have many negative effects as well as Tinfect said (especially since you already require that the individual has has to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria)
Second, why do we need an international committee for licensing doctors? Why can't the nations themselves be trusted?
OOC:the doctors will he licensed by the international committee because some nations can be extremely conservative and not license anyone and others can be extremely liberal and license those not fit to do so
Also the waiting periods aren't arbitrary 6 months to 2 years its reasonable
by Clton » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:38 am
Separatist Peoples wrote:Clton wrote:
OOC:the doctors will he licensed by the international committee because some nations can be extremely conservative and not license anyone and others can be extremely liberal and license those not fit to do so
Also the waiting periods aren't arbitrary 6 months to 2 years its reasonable
"Ambassador, I believe I overheard some chatter about licensing doctors separately for this procedure. It strikes me that better policy would involve requiring a licensed doctor under take such procedures and leave it at that. Few nations would be so suicidally insane as to lower the quality of their doctors or make medical licensure so incredibly difficult as to effectively ban the practice of medicine to the detriment of their entire population just to deny transgender persons. This idea, from wherever it came from, is an invitation to madness, and can be more elegantly addressed."
by Separatist Peoples » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:39 am
Clton wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:"Ambassador, I believe I overheard some chatter about licensing doctors separately for this procedure. It strikes me that better policy would involve requiring a licensed doctor under take such procedures and leave it at that. Few nations would be so suicidally insane as to lower the quality of their doctors or make medical licensure so incredibly difficult as to effectively ban the practice of medicine to the detriment of their entire population just to deny transgender persons. This idea, from wherever it came from, is an invitation to madness, and can be more elegantly addressed."
OOC:The Separate licensing also proves the doctor is unbiased and non-transphobic as i’ve heard from many individuals they were denied a formal diagnosis by a transphobic doctor even though they were legitimately gender-dysphoric
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