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[Draft] Sex Reassignment Safety act

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[Draft] Sex Reassignment Safety act

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1.No Sexual Hormones or “Puberty Blockers” may be used on any individual below the Age of Majority

2.Sex Reassignment Surgery may not be Carried out on any individual below the Age of Majority

3.A International Committee will be established to license doctors for preforming any Medical acts relating to the Biological Sex of an Individual

4A.Before Sex Reassignment Surgery may be preformed on an individual they must be diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria from a doctor that has been licensed by the committee

4B.A Mandatory waiting period must be established in every member nation no less than 6 months (180 days) but no more than 2 years (730 days) between the diagnosis and the surgery being carried out

5.The International Committee as established in section 3 shall also license hospitals or clinics to carry out these operations based on their sanitation and ethics
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Postby Clton » Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:44 pm

When revised and gained somewhat approval it will be submitted as a proposal
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Postby Tinfect » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:44 pm

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God awful legislation driven by transphobic fear mongering and gatekeeping bullshit.
Best advice you're going to get: Drop this proposal and do some research.
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Postby Ardiveds » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:33 pm

OOC: What's the purpose of 4B, especially with those arbitrary periods of time?
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Postby Tinfect » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:48 pm

Ardiveds wrote:OOC: What's the purpose of 4B, especially with those arbitrary periods of time?


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Gatekeeping. It's one of those 'to make sure they really mean it' policies that serves no purpose except to cause suffering. Similar to clause 4a, which seeks to decide who is 'really trans', a standard which has done nothing but cause immense harm.
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Postby Clton » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:17 am

Tinfect wrote:
Ardiveds wrote:OOC: What's the purpose of 4B, especially with those arbitrary periods of time?


OOC:
Gatekeeping. It's one of those 'to make sure they really mean it' policies that serves no purpose except to cause suffering. Similar to clause 4a, which seeks to decide who is 'really trans', a standard which has done nothing but cause immense harm.


OOC:
I did that because this procedure is Irreversible
in the long term it prevents suffering
I’ve heard many stories i people regretting it
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:21 am

Why are there so many random capitalisations?
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Postby Clton » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:23 am

Honeydewistania wrote:Why are there so many random capitalisations?


My caps key acts weird sometimes
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:55 am

Clton wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Why are there so many random capitalisations?


My caps key acts weird sometimes

Clton wrote:1.No Sexual Hormones or “Puberty Blockers”... Age of Majority... Sex Reassignment Surgery may not be Carried out on any individual below the Age of Majority... A International Committee... Biological Sex of an Individual... Before Sex Reassignment Surgery... Gender Dysphoria... A Mandatory waiting period... The International Committee

For somebody whose Caps Lock key is supposedly borked, it seems to do a good job at only capitalising the first letter of certain words, never on any other letter positions and never to any other words.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:56 am

Clton wrote:
Tinfect wrote:
OOC:
Gatekeeping. It's one of those 'to make sure they really mean it' policies that serves no purpose except to cause suffering. Similar to clause 4a, which seeks to decide who is 'really trans', a standard which has done nothing but cause immense harm.


OOC:
I did that because this procedure is Irreversible
in the long term it prevents suffering
I’ve heard many stories i people regretting it

Ooc: buyer beware. For every person who regrets it, ten will regret not getting it sooner.

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Postby Tinfect » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:59 am

Clton wrote:OOC:
in the long term it prevents suffering


OOC:
This is demonstrably not true.

Clton wrote:I’ve heard many stories i people regretting it


And who do you think benefits from those stories being plastered all over the news in the exceedingly rare, and highly unfortunate situation, as often caused by poor results than by regret of attempting at all? Certainly not trans people.
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Postby The New Nordic Union » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:00 am

Clton wrote:1.No Sexual Hormones or “Puberty Blockers” may be used on any individual below the Age of Majority


'You are aware that puberty is already well underway or even over at the time most nations' ages of majority are reached, aren't you? Which would make the application of blockers much less useful. Although, given by the overall tone of the proposal, this might be the intent.'

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Tinfect wrote:OOC:
God awful legislation driven by transphobic fear mongering and gatekeeping bullshit.
Best advice you're going to get: Drop this proposal and do some research.

^This; in spirit if not even also in tone.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:01 am

Clton wrote:
Tinfect wrote:
OOC:
Gatekeeping. It's one of those 'to make sure they really mean it' policies that serves no purpose except to cause suffering. Similar to clause 4a, which seeks to decide who is 'really trans', a standard which has done nothing but cause immense harm.


OOC:
I did that because this procedure is Irreversible
in the long term it prevents suffering
I’ve heard many stories i people regretting it

What’s the point in waiting months when they’re already sure on their decision?
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Postby Ardiveds » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:04 am

Clton wrote:
Tinfect wrote:
OOC:
Gatekeeping. It's one of those 'to make sure they really mean it' policies that serves no purpose except to cause suffering. Similar to clause 4a, which seeks to decide who is 'really trans', a standard which has done nothing but cause immense harm.


OOC:
I did that because this procedure is Irreversible
in the long term it prevents suffering
I’ve heard many stories i people regretting it

OOC: I get it but not only are the numbers still arbitrary, such waiting periods can have many negative effects as well as Tinfect said (especially since you already require that the individual has has to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria)
Second, why do we need an international committee for licensing doctors? Why can't the nations themselves be trusted?
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Postby The New Nordic Union » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:06 am

Clton wrote:
Tinfect wrote:
OOC:
Gatekeeping. It's one of those 'to make sure they really mean it' policies that serves no purpose except to cause suffering. Similar to clause 4a, which seeks to decide who is 'really trans', a standard which has done nothing but cause immense harm.


OOC:
I did that because this procedure is Irreversible
in the long term it prevents suffering
I’ve heard many stories i people regretting it


OOC: Still shouldn't have a waiting period. Even if regret was such a big problem as you make it out to be (which I am sure it is not), that is what normal patient information and consultation is for (which is also guaranteed by PRA s.III).
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Postby Clton » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:22 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Clton wrote:
My caps key acts weird sometimes

Clton wrote:1.No Sexual Hormones or “Puberty Blockers”... Age of Majority... Sex Reassignment Surgery may not be Carried out on any individual below the Age of Majority... A International Committee... Biological Sex of an Individual... Before Sex Reassignment Surgery... Gender Dysphoria... A Mandatory waiting period... The International Committee

For somebody whose Caps Lock key is supposedly borked, it seems to do a good job at only capitalising the first letter of certain words, never on any other letter positions and never to any other words.


Its the auto cap from IOS sometimes it just makes a word cap for some reason
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:24 am

Clton wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:
For somebody whose Caps Lock key is supposedly borked, it seems to do a good job at only capitalising the first letter of certain words, never on any other letter positions and never to any other words.


Its the auto cap from IOS sometimes it just makes a word cap for some reason

Ooc: this is generally a good indicator that one should use a different word processor.

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Postby Clton » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:24 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Clton wrote:
OOC:
I did that because this procedure is Irreversible
in the long term it prevents suffering
I’ve heard many stories i people regretting it

Ooc: buyer beware. For every person who regrets it, ten will regret not getting it sooner.


OOC: According to some statistics i’ve heard it’s quite the opposite
88% of trans kids dont feel the same way when they’re older
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:25 am

Clton wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: buyer beware. For every person who regrets it, ten will regret not getting it sooner.


OOC: According to some statistics i’ve heard it’s quite the opposite
88% of trans kids dont feel the same way when they’re older

Ooc: I have doubts about these numbers, but that changes nothing. Buyer beware. It's their body. Let them decide.

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Postby Clton » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:26 am

Ardiveds wrote:
Clton wrote:
OOC:
I did that because this procedure is Irreversible
in the long term it prevents suffering
I’ve heard many stories i people regretting it

OOC: I get it but not only are the numbers still arbitrary, such waiting periods can have many negative effects as well as Tinfect said (especially since you already require that the individual has has to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria)
Second, why do we need an international committee for licensing doctors? Why can't the nations themselves be trusted?


OOC:the doctors will he licensed by the international committee because some nations can be extremely conservative and not license anyone and others can be extremely liberal and license those not fit to do so
Also the waiting periods aren't arbitrary 6 months to 2 years its reasonable
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:30 am

Clton wrote:
Ardiveds wrote:OOC: I get it but not only are the numbers still arbitrary, such waiting periods can have many negative effects as well as Tinfect said (especially since you already require that the individual has has to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria)
Second, why do we need an international committee for licensing doctors? Why can't the nations themselves be trusted?


OOC:the doctors will he licensed by the international committee because some nations can be extremely conservative and not license anyone and others can be extremely liberal and license those not fit to do so
Also the waiting periods aren't arbitrary 6 months to 2 years its reasonable

What if lifespan in a country is 2 years then what or the lifespan is like 1000 years then 2 years is nothing meaningless numbers are meaningless, just trash them and this proposal
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OOC: i’ll add a few parts protecting trans individuals and post it here when it’s ready
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:32 am

Clton wrote:
Ardiveds wrote:OOC: I get it but not only are the numbers still arbitrary, such waiting periods can have many negative effects as well as Tinfect said (especially since you already require that the individual has has to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria)
Second, why do we need an international committee for licensing doctors? Why can't the nations themselves be trusted?


OOC:the doctors will he licensed by the international committee because some nations can be extremely conservative and not license anyone and others can be extremely liberal and license those not fit to do so
Also the waiting periods aren't arbitrary 6 months to 2 years its reasonable

"Ambassador, I believe I overheard some chatter about licensing doctors separately for this procedure. It strikes me that better policy would involve requiring a licensed doctor under take such procedures and leave it at that. Few nations would be so suicidally insane as to lower the quality of their doctors or make medical licensure so incredibly difficult as to effectively ban the practice of medicine to the detriment of their entire population just to deny transgender persons. This idea, from wherever it came from, is an invitation to madness, and can be more elegantly addressed."

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Postby Clton » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:38 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Clton wrote:
OOC:the doctors will he licensed by the international committee because some nations can be extremely conservative and not license anyone and others can be extremely liberal and license those not fit to do so
Also the waiting periods aren't arbitrary 6 months to 2 years its reasonable

"Ambassador, I believe I overheard some chatter about licensing doctors separately for this procedure. It strikes me that better policy would involve requiring a licensed doctor under take such procedures and leave it at that. Few nations would be so suicidally insane as to lower the quality of their doctors or make medical licensure so incredibly difficult as to effectively ban the practice of medicine to the detriment of their entire population just to deny transgender persons. This idea, from wherever it came from, is an invitation to madness, and can be more elegantly addressed."


OOC:The Separate licensing also proves the doctor is unbiased and non-transphobic as i’ve heard from many individuals they were denied a formal diagnosis by a transphobic doctor even though they were legitimately gender-dysphoric
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:39 am

Clton wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Ambassador, I believe I overheard some chatter about licensing doctors separately for this procedure. It strikes me that better policy would involve requiring a licensed doctor under take such procedures and leave it at that. Few nations would be so suicidally insane as to lower the quality of their doctors or make medical licensure so incredibly difficult as to effectively ban the practice of medicine to the detriment of their entire population just to deny transgender persons. This idea, from wherever it came from, is an invitation to madness, and can be more elegantly addressed."


OOC:The Separate licensing also proves the doctor is unbiased and non-transphobic as i’ve heard from many individuals they were denied a formal diagnosis by a transphobic doctor even though they were legitimately gender-dysphoric

Ooc: extant law addresses discrimination such as this. The GA is an In Character forum. You are strongly encouraged to roleplay rather than draft OOC.

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