by Australian rePublic » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:25 am
by Picairn » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:28 am
by Wabbit feefees » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:33 am
by Australian rePublic » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:33 am
Picairn wrote:Uhhh... what are we supposed to discuss? You seem to have made all of the conclusions.
by Wabbit feefees » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:35 am
by Picairn » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:36 am
Australian rePublic wrote:We discuss what is and is not considered natural
by Australian rePublic » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:39 am
by Bougainville » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:41 am
by Picairn » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:50 am
Australian rePublic wrote:But are humans not naturally occuring animals on this little blue rock called Earth?
Bougainville wrote:Only one issue with your thought process humans are animals.
by Konolas » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:52 am
Australian rePublic wrote:Thought Experiment:
My house is not natural. My house was built by a group of human beings. Human beings who took a bunch of natural elements from the Earth and fabricated them into the shape of a house
My car is not natural. My car was built by a group of human beings. Human beings who took a bunch of natural elements from the Earth and fabricated them into the shape of a car
The rail line down the road from my house is not natural. My house was built by a group of human beings. Human beings who took a bunch of natural elements from the Earth and fabricated them into the shape of a rail line
So then why is an ant hill considered to be natural? Ant hills are natural. Ant hills were built by a group of ants. Ants who took a bunch of natural elements from the Earth and fabricated them into the shape of an ant hill
So then why is a bird's nest considered to be natural? Ant hills are natural. Ant hills were built by a group of birds. Birds who took a bunch of natural elements from the Earth and fabricated them into the shape of a birds nest
by Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:55 am
by Wabbit feefees » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:57 am
by Wabbit feefees » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:01 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Natural is unrefined and unaltered. Humans build out of concrete and steel, products that are very different in their natural state. Sticks and dirt are used as is.
by Australian rePublic » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:10 am
Picairn wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:But are humans not naturally occuring animals on this little blue rock called Earth?Bougainville wrote:Only one issue with your thought process humans are animals.
Pretty sure humans are a different class of animals. I mean, we know how to walk on two feet, use tools and build stuff with two hands, as well as having a multitude of emotions, morals, and intelligence which are very different from other animals. Perhaps that is the use of the word "artificial", to differentiate between stuff created by humans and stuff created by other animals.
by Australian rePublic » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:13 am
Wabbit feefees wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Natural is unrefined and unaltered. Humans build out of concrete and steel, products that are very different in their natural state. Sticks and dirt are used as is.
unrefined by who and unaltered by who? ant hills are refined dirt and bird nests are. um. bits of natural debris altered in their arrangement maybe spat on by a bird. you need a better distinction than .altered. because a rock rolling down a hill alters stuff too
by Wabbit feefees » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:19 am
Australian rePublic wrote:Wabbit feefees wrote:
unrefined by who and unaltered by who? ant hills are refined dirt and bird nests are. um. bits of natural debris altered in their arrangement maybe spat on by a bird. you need a better distinction than .altered. because a rock rolling down a hill alters stuff too
Ask not what effect the rock has, ask who pushed the rock. Which then begs the question, what's the difference between a human pushing a rock and an elephant pushing a rock
by Shanghai industrial complex » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:26 am
by Wabbit feefees » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:29 am
Shanghai industrial complex wrote:Why not ask the ants what they think of it?
by Australian rePublic » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:33 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Natural is unrefined and unaltered. Humans build out of concrete and steel, products that are very different in their natural state. Sticks and dirt are used as is.
by -Ocelot- » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:37 am
by Australian rePublic » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:39 am
-Ocelot- wrote:Appeal to nature fallacy. Animals can only be and do good, humans can only be evil. Therefore, a construction made from animals is good, holy and natural, while human constructions are evil and unnatural. People who employ this fallacy call everything human-made "unnatural" because they've been trained to unconditionally love nature.
by Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:59 am
Wabbit feefees wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Natural is unrefined and unaltered. Humans build out of concrete and steel, products that are very different in their natural state. Sticks and dirt are used as is.
unrefined by who and unaltered by who? ant hills are refined dirt and bird nests are. um. bits of natural debris altered in their arrangement maybe spat on by a bird. you need a better distinction than .altered. because a rock rolling down a hill alters stuff too
by Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:09 am
by Chan Island » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:37 am
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
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