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2020 US General Election Thread X: For Those About to Vote

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Who Do You Support in the 2020 General Election?

Donald Trump (R)
40
25%
Joe Biden (D)
87
55%
Howie Hawkins (G)
24
15%
Jo Jorgensen (L)
6
4%
 
Total votes : 157

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2020 US General Election Thread X: For Those About to Vote

Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:53 am

The previous thread.

Shrillland is asleep so my time is now!

Well guys, gals and npals, the final (nearly) 2 weeks until the US general election begins on November 3rd are finally here, 2 weeks until we experience what is likely to be one of the most contentious elections in recent US history that'll be taking in place during one of the greatest public health crises since the Spanish flu of 1918-19 that has left a lot of people dead and many more sick and one of the most politically polarized times we've probably had in decades. It definitely feels like there's a lot of anxiety and fear in the air and a lot of people, including myself, are definitely worried how this one is gonna turn out and how the future of the country is going to go going forward.

For now I encourage every US citizen here that is capable of voting to vote as safely and securely as possible. If you vote in person please wear a mask and maintain social distancing if possible (I realize that may be difficult for many), if you're voting absentee make sure you mail your ballot in as quickly as possible or drop it off at a sanctioned and secure drop-off location, and if you can vote early either way in general then please do so if you can.

As always with threads like these, follow the rules, try to be civil, wear your masks and safety goggles, wash thy hands, cough into your elbow, have a snack and juice box, and put your "I voted" sticker in a cool place.

Some handy dandy links (may add more as I find them):

Trump/Biden Presidential Debate
Pence/Harris Vice Presidential Debate
Joe Biden Town Hall
Donald Trump Town Hall
Ballotpedia 2020 General Election Overview
A handy guide on how to vote by state (As provided by Shrill in the last thread)
2020 Presidential Election Polls by 270towin
A 2020 Election Forecast by FiveThirtyEight

*insert fresh thread scent here*

EDIT: Changed thread title since I noticed it was too similar to the UK politics thread. My bad.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:05 am

Man, cant believe biden and his whole family are gona get arrested tomorrow.

Must be true, some dipshit told me on facebook.
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Postby Albrenia » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:13 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Man, cant believe biden and his whole family are gona get arrested tomorrow.

Must be true, some dipshit told me on facebook.


Guess it's game over for us anti-Trumpers then. Time to pack up and go home.

Oh well.

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Postby Gravlen » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:15 am

It's a shit show, but it's an important shit show.

Hopefully voter suppression won't change the outcome of the election, and work will be done to reduce such suppression going forward.

Why Do Nonwhite Georgia Voters Have to Wait in Line for Hours? Their Numbers Have Soared, and Their Polling Places Have Dwindled.
The state’s voter rolls have grown by nearly 2 million since the U.S. Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act in 2013, but polling locations have been cut by almost 10%, with Metro Atlanta hit particularly hard.

An analysis by Stanford University political science professor Jonathan Rodden of the data collected by Georgia Public Broadcasting/ProPublica found that the average wait time after 7 p.m. across Georgia was 51 minutes in polling places that were 90% or more nonwhite, but only 6 minutes in polling places that were 90% white.
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:16 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Man, cant believe biden and his whole family are gona get arrested tomorrow.

Must be true, some dipshit told me on facebook.

should I turn in my ballot before he gets arrested so it still gets counted for the downballot races or burn it so the Q death squad can't prove I voted for him
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:17 am

Gravlen wrote:It's a shit show, but it's an important shit show.

Hopefully voter suppression won't change the outcome of the election, and work will be done to reduce such suppression going forward.

Why Do Nonwhite Georgia Voters Have to Wait in Line for Hours? Their Numbers Have Soared, and Their Polling Places Have Dwindled.
The state’s voter rolls have grown by nearly 2 million since the U.S. Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act in 2013, but polling locations have been cut by almost 10%, with Metro Atlanta hit particularly hard.

An analysis by Stanford University political science professor Jonathan Rodden of the data collected by Georgia Public Broadcasting/ProPublica found that the average wait time after 7 p.m. across Georgia was 51 minutes in polling places that were 90% or more nonwhite, but only 6 minutes in polling places that were 90% white.

god bless WA for having just done all mail voting for years now and doing away with all this nonsense
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:18 am

Senkaku wrote:
Gravlen wrote:It's a shit show, but it's an important shit show.

Hopefully voter suppression won't change the outcome of the election, and work will be done to reduce such suppression going forward.

Why Do Nonwhite Georgia Voters Have to Wait in Line for Hours? Their Numbers Have Soared, and Their Polling Places Have Dwindled.
The state’s voter rolls have grown by nearly 2 million since the U.S. Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act in 2013, but polling locations have been cut by almost 10%, with Metro Atlanta hit particularly hard.

An analysis by Stanford University political science professor Jonathan Rodden of the data collected by Georgia Public Broadcasting/ProPublica found that the average wait time after 7 p.m. across Georgia was 51 minutes in polling places that were 90% or more nonwhite, but only 6 minutes in polling places that were 90% white.

god bless WA for having just done all mail voting for years now and doing away with all this nonsense


Which is why the GOP hates mail-in voting.
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Postby Albrenia » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:26 am

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Senkaku wrote:god bless WA for having just done all mail voting for years now and doing away with all this nonsense


Which is why the GOP hates mail-in voting.


Higher turnout is bad for the GOP I hear. Not quite sure why, but they certainly seem to think it is.

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Postby Nuroblav » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:28 am

I think Biden would have my vote in swing states, but otherwise it would likely go to Hawkins, who is closer to my views.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:29 am

Well isnt higher turnout often a bad thing for conservative parties around the world? Dont they tend to benefit from lower turnouts?
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Postby Albrenia » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:33 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Well isnt higher turnout often a bad thing for conservative parties around the world? Dont they tend to benefit from lower turnouts?


Dunno. Here in Australia almost everyone votes every election and our Conservative party still manages to win an upsetting amount of times.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:37 am

Albrenia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Well isnt higher turnout often a bad thing for conservative parties around the world? Dont they tend to benefit from lower turnouts?


Dunno. Here in Australia almost everyone votes every election and our Conservative party still manages to win an upsetting amount of times.

Doesnt Australia have compulsory voting?
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:39 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Dunno. Here in Australia almost everyone votes every election and our Conservative party still manages to win an upsetting amount of times.

Doesnt Australia have compulsory voting?


They do, and I'm not convinced that such a measure could last with the 1st Amendment's definitions on maintaining freedom of expression. Not voting is as much expressing an opinion as voting is.
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Postby Kyundao » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:42 am

I may as well start with the parties, then cover the candidates.

The Republicans have a long history of standing for the rights of women and minorities (freed the slaves, first black in congress, first woman in congress, first Amerindian vice president, granted Amerindians US citizenship, etc) as well as ensuring a strong economy. The Democrats have a long history of systemic racism (slavery, segregation, Japanese-American internment camps and so on), they've weakened the US economy several times and they've purposely let their cities burn down. The Green Party's ideas these days are impractical if not self-destructive. The Libertarian Party is a bunch of incompetent psychopaths, even more so than the Democratic Party.

Now for the candidates.

Trump may have said some questionable things for sure, but at least he's cracking down on pedophiles, sex traffickers, terrorists and other sorts of bad folks; him getting rid of needless red tape policies managed to bring jobs back; designated antifa and the Ku Klux Klan a domestic terrorist group, the latter being long overdue; a lot of minorities seem to like him, which makes sense if you look at his track record as president. Biden has dementia and is clearly not fit for office; on top of that, he has said very racist things even in recent months; he was also doing some quid pro quo with Eastern European countries and quid pro quo is highly illegal; he backs the green new deal, which is guaranteed to destroy the US economy. The other two candidates don't stand a chance by default, not to mention they want policies that are potentially disastrous.

I'm not the most pro-Trump person out there. I don't agree with tariffs, which he did impose. Out of everyone on this list of candidates though, Trump is the least bad option in my book.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:46 am

Kyundao wrote:I may as well start with the parties, then cover the candidates.

The Republicans have a long history of standing for the rights of women and minorities (freed the slaves, first black in congress, first woman in congress, first Amerindian vice president, granted Amerindians US citizenship, etc) as well as ensuring a strong economy. The Democrats have a long history of systemic racism (slavery, segregation, Japanese-American internment camps and so on), they've weakened the US economy several times and they've purposely let their cities burn down. The Green Party's ideas these days are impractical if not self-destructive. The Libertarian Party is a bunch of incompetent psychopaths, even more so than the Democratic Party.

Now for the candidates.

Trump may have said some questionable things for sure, but at least he's cracking down on pedophiles, sex traffickers, terrorists and other sorts of bad folks; him getting rid of needless red tape policies managed to bring jobs back; designated antifa and the Ku Klux Klan a domestic terrorist group, the latter being long overdue; a lot of minorities seem to like him, which makes sense if you look at his track record as president. Biden has dementia and is clearly not fit for office; on top of that, he has said very racist things even in recent months; he was also doing some quid pro quo with Eastern European countries and quid pro quo is highly illegal; he backs the green new deal, which is guaranteed to destroy the US economy. The other two candidates don't stand a chance by default, not to mention they want policies that are potentially disastrous.

I'm not the most pro-Trump person out there. I don't agree with tariffs, which he did impose. Out of everyone on this list of candidates though, Trump is the least bad option in my book.


So what is the modern GOP doing for the rights of women and minorities now?

Also when you're calling the idea of being anti-fascist a terrorist act, that's usually a red flag. I also find it sus that you can't name the things Biden is alleged to have done in Eastern Europe, although I get the impression that if pressed you're going to resort to the same NYP article that got flagged as false information in multiple places.
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:51 am

From what I understand, Trump doesn't have the legal authority to designate the KKK or Antifa as terrorist groups. He only has the power to designate foreign terrorist organizations (FTOs).

If he does actually do something there, it will likely be a meaningless executive order.
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Postby Albrenia » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:53 am

On the subject of Executive Orders, I imagine whoever comes after Trump, be it Biden or someone else later, is going to have one hell of a job writing new Orders to override all his shitty ones.

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Postby Kyundao » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:55 am

Vassenor wrote:So what is the modern GOP doing for the rights of women and minorities now?

Also when you're calling the idea of being anti-fascist a terrorist act, that's usually a red flag. I also find it sus that you can't name the things Biden is alleged to have done in Eastern Europe, although I get the impression that if pressed you're going to resort to the same NYP article that got flagged as false information in multiple places.

The antifa crowd are intimidating people, rioting, burning places, even murdering anyone to the right of them; that's not only hypocrisy of the highest order, that's also textbook terrorism. As for Biden, he was basically telling those Eastern European officials and businessmen that he won't help them out with something if they didn't give his son millions in USD and this was when he was vice president; quid pro quo, which again is illegal.

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Postby Shrillland » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:56 am

Albrenia wrote:On the subject of Executive Orders, I imagine whoever comes after Trump, be it Biden or someone else later, is going to have one hell of a job writing new Orders to override all his shitty ones.


That's why I actually don't expect much from Biden, he's got too much on his plate rebuilding to think about new construction even as the clamour approaches the same level of decibels as an atomic explosion.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:59 am

Kyundao wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So what is the modern GOP doing for the rights of women and minorities now?

Also when you're calling the idea of being anti-fascist a terrorist act, that's usually a red flag. I also find it sus that you can't name the things Biden is alleged to have done in Eastern Europe, although I get the impression that if pressed you're going to resort to the same NYP article that got flagged as false information in multiple places.

The antifa crowd are intimidating people, rioting, burning places, even murdering anyone to the right of them; that's not only hypocrisy of the highest order, that's also textbook terrorism. As for Biden, he was basically telling those Eastern European officials and businessmen that he won't help them out with something if they didn't give his son millions in USD and this was when he was vice president; quid pro quo, which again is illegal.


So that's a yes you're resorting to the NYP article.
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Postby Corrian » Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:03 am

So I asked not to work on election day, so I shall be here with all of you to witness the shit show of election day.
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:05 am

Corrian wrote:So I asked not to work on election day, so I shall be here with all of you to witness the shit show of election day.

It's not gonna be fun.

I'm now imagining being glued to the TV well into the night, then going to bed without knowing who won.

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Postby Gravlen » Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:07 am

Kyundao wrote:Trump may have said some questionable things for sure, but at least he's cracking down on pedophiles, sex traffickers, terrorists and other sorts of bad folks;

He's not.

Kyundao wrote:him getting rid of needless red tape policies managed to bring jobs back;

It didn't.

Kyundao wrote: designated antifa and the Ku Klux Klan a domestic terrorist group, the latter being long overdue;

He didn't.

Kyundao wrote: a lot of minorities seem to like him, which makes sense if you look at his track record as president.

Is 7% "a lot"?

Kyundao wrote:Biden has dementia

False.

Kyundao wrote:and is clearly not fit for office;

Also not true. Trump, on the other hand, is clearly not fit according to the many people who've worked for him, from Mattis to Bolton to Kelley to Tillerson to...

Kyundao wrote:on top of that, he has said very racist things even in recent months;

Trumped by Trump, who've said very racist, sexist and anti-semitic over the recent years.

Kyundao wrote:he was also doing some quid pro quo with Eastern European countries

Nope.

Kyundao wrote:and quid pro quo is highly illegal;

Apparently not, since it was fine when Trump did it for personal gain.

Kyundao wrote:he backs the green new deal, which is guaranteed to destroy the US economy.

Also wrong.
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Postby Kyundao » Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:12 am

Vassenor wrote:So that's a yes you're resorting to the NYP article.

If we're talking about Hunter Biden, it's not just the article. I also heard on various places and media that the FBI got their hands on his laptop. Allegedly it's got a lot of dirt on the Bidens. I'm saying allegedly because the investigation is ongoing.

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Postby Kowani » Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:12 am

Albrenia wrote:
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Which is why the GOP hates mail-in voting.


Higher turnout is bad for the GOP I hear. Not quite sure why, but they certainly seem to think it is.

The GOP demographics are reliable voters. Because Democratic voters are more unreliable, higher turnout usually is a sign that more of their voter base is showing up.
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