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The Biggest Reason Why You Won't Vote For The Other Party

Postby The Opinions Guy » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:52 am

It's a simple question; What Is The Biggest Reason Why You Won't Vote For The Other Party?

Now, I'll clarify that we are talking about the two major parties in the United States: the Democrats and the Republicans. Tell us the biggest reason why you won't be voting for one of those parties (or why you wouldn't vote for them if you aren't part of the American electorate). I'll start the discussion by laying down my views.

I'm a Canadian, so I can't vote in the American Federal election, but if I was I wouldn't vote for the Republican Party. What is my biggest reason then? What is the one thing that I dislike most about the Republican Party? Is it their stance on abortion? Their subtle support for white supremacy? Their staunch resistance to Universal Healthcare? Trump?

No, no, no, and no. The Biggest Reason Why I Wouldn't vote for the Republican Party is this:

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The above image is a paragraph from the current Republican Party Platform. I've read through the majority of this platform, and there's a lot of stuff in there that I agree with. For example, they support Puerto Rican statehood. They propose enforcing the border and making it easier for Legal Immigrants to enter the country. They want to audit the Pentagon. There's also a lot of stuff in there that I disagree with, like their stances on the Second Amendment and Abortion. But all this comes second to this one paragraph on page 37.

I am Bisexual. If I was living in the United States, I would be terrified to learn that one of the two major parties wants to take away my right to marry a man. Terrified to learn that they want to return to the centuries of Homophobia and Bigotry that we have almost moved on from. In this paragraph, they are telling me that they are a-ok with a restaurant refusing to serve me because of the fact that I am attracted to males. It is disgusting.

That is why I would never vote for the Republican Party as it is today.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:55 am

What if you consider both of those parties silly loonies and would vote third party?
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:56 am

I think it will be very interesting to also ask a different question for older people who came before our generation (since many people on this site including myself are too young to have experienced): has the reason you refuse to vote for a party changed?
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Postby The Opinions Guy » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:58 am

The Alma Mater wrote:What if you consider both of those parties silly loonies and would vote third party?


Then tell us the biggest reason why you wouldn't vote for both parties.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:00 am

Concerning the OP, Democrats are currently just fine with kicking people out if they aren't wearing a mask or if they're Republican, I smell a tiny bit of a double standard here...
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Postby The Opinions Guy » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:03 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Concerning the OP, Democrats are currently just fine with kicking people out if they aren't wearing a mask or if they're Republican, I smell a tiny bit of a double standard here...


Could you elaborate on what you mean by "Democrats are currently just fine with kicking people out if they aren't wearing a mask or if they're Republican?" I'm honestly curious as to what event or policy you are referring to.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:08 am

The Opinions Guy wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Concerning the OP, Democrats are currently just fine with kicking people out if they aren't wearing a mask or if they're Republican, I smell a tiny bit of a double standard here...


Could you elaborate on what you mean by "Democrats are currently just fine with kicking people out if they aren't wearing a mask or if they're Republican?" I'm honestly curious as to what event or policy you are referring to.

Well, as it is, most companies have claimed the right to kick people out of their stores if the person is not wearing a mask. Which is just fine, I believe, and so do the democrats apparently.
Several months ago, someone who worked for Trump at the time (I'm completely forgetting the name darnit) was kicked out of a restaurant and there was no public outcry...
There is no specific policy in place either way at the moment. I believe that LGBTQ people reserve the right to be LGBTQ (although I don't agree with that lifestyle), but I also think employees reserve the right to deny service to people if it goes against legitimate moral convictions.
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"For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever!"- Romans 1: 21-25

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Postby The Opinions Guy » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:17 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
The Opinions Guy wrote:
Could you elaborate on what you mean by "Democrats are currently just fine with kicking people out if they aren't wearing a mask or if they're Republican?" I'm honestly curious as to what event or policy you are referring to.

Well, as it is, most companies have claimed the right to kick people out of their stores if the person is not wearing a mask. Which is just fine, I believe, and so do the democrats apparently.
Several months ago, someone who worked for Trump at the time (I'm completely forgetting the name darnit) was kicked out of a restaurant and there was no public outcry...
There is no specific policy in place either way at the moment. I believe that LGBTQ people reserve the right to be LGBTQ (although I don't agree with that lifestyle), but I also think employees reserve the right to deny service to people if it goes against legitimate moral convictions.


I understand your point, but I don't agree. What if a shop owner refused service to a black person, and said that black people were inferior to whites; he could claim that he refused service due to legitimate moral convictions. It's the same with the LGBTQ community; black people didn't choose to be black, and gay people didn't choose to be gay. Refusing service to someone for something they have no control over seems evil, at least to me.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:21 am

The Opinions Guy wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Well, as it is, most companies have claimed the right to kick people out of their stores if the person is not wearing a mask. Which is just fine, I believe, and so do the democrats apparently.
Several months ago, someone who worked for Trump at the time (I'm completely forgetting the name darnit) was kicked out of a restaurant and there was no public outcry...
There is no specific policy in place either way at the moment. I believe that LGBTQ people reserve the right to be LGBTQ (although I don't agree with that lifestyle), but I also think employees reserve the right to deny service to people if it goes against legitimate moral convictions.


I understand your point, but I don't agree. What if a shop owner refused service to a black person, and said that black people were inferior to whites; he could claim that he refused service due to legitimate moral convictions. It's the same with the LGBTQ community; black people didn't choose to be black, and gay people didn't choose to be gay. Refusing service to someone for something they have no control over seems evil, at least to me.

I knew this would come up sooner rather than later, so this is where our worldviews split. I am not convinced that you have no choice, I think that you've said that to yourself and have been told that for so long that you believe it. Someone who is black is genetically so, and cannot change that, so it is reasonable to ban discrimination based upon that fact. However, no aspect of any person who claims to be LGBTQ is genetic. Despite numerous searches, no "gay gene" has ever been found.
I respect you and I understand you, but this is where our worldview splits and where I believe you are wrong.
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"For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever!"- Romans 1: 21-25

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Postby The Opinions Guy » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:27 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
The Opinions Guy wrote:
I understand your point, but I don't agree. What if a shop owner refused service to a black person, and said that black people were inferior to whites; he could claim that he refused service due to legitimate moral convictions. It's the same with the LGBTQ community; black people didn't choose to be black, and gay people didn't choose to be gay. Refusing service to someone for something they have no control over seems evil, at least to me.

I knew this would come up sooner rather than later, so this is where our worldviews split. I am not convinced that you have no choice, I think that you've said that to yourself and have been told that for so long that you believe it. Someone who is black is genetically so, and cannot change that, so it is reasonable to ban discrimination based upon that fact. However, no aspect of any person who claims to be LGBTQ is genetic. Despite numerous searches, no "gay gene" has ever been found.
I respect you and I understand you, but this is where our worldview splits and where I believe you are wrong.


I understand. I've had this conversation many times before, but at least you were respectful and understanding.
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Postby Ontorisa » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:29 am

The Alma Mater wrote:What if you consider both of those parties silly loonies and would vote third party?


Then you're wasting a vote IMO, the USA has transformed into a two-party country in which a third party won't receive enough votes to be able to do anything.

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Postby Cordel One » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:29 am

I don't like voting for Democrats because they're war criminals who support the status quo, but Republicans are worse.

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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:29 am

The Opinions Guy wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:I knew this would come up sooner rather than later, so this is where our worldviews split. I am not convinced that you have no choice, I think that you've said that to yourself and have been told that for so long that you believe it. Someone who is black is genetically so, and cannot change that, so it is reasonable to ban discrimination based upon that fact. However, no aspect of any person who claims to be LGBTQ is genetic. Despite numerous searches, no "gay gene" has ever been found.
I respect you and I understand you, but this is where our worldview splits and where I believe you are wrong.


I understand. I've had this conversation many times before, but at least you were respectful and understanding.

:)
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Postby The Opinions Guy » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:30 am

Cordel One wrote:I don't like voting for Democrats because they're war criminals who support the status quo, but Republicans are worse.


In what way are they "War Criminals," as you say?
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:30 am

Cordel One wrote:I don't like voting for Democrats because they're war criminals who support the status quo, but Republicans are worse.

I've seen your posts in a lot of other threads, but now I'm convinced you're a commie.
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Postby The Opinions Guy » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:31 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
The Opinions Guy wrote:
I understand. I've had this conversation many times before, but at least you were respectful and understanding.

:)
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And you as well!
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Postby Cordel One » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:36 am

I think I came across as more of a Democrat than I am, I think both parties are absolute garbage.

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Cordel One wrote:I don't like voting for Democrats because they're war criminals who support the status quo, but Republicans are worse.

I've seen your posts in a lot of other threads, but now I'm convinced you're a commie.

That's because I am a commie. Glad I could clear this up.
The Opinions Guy wrote:
Cordel One wrote:I don't like voting for Democrats because they're war criminals who support the status quo, but Republicans are worse.


In what way are they "War Criminals," as you say?

Well, they commit war crimes for one.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:43 am

The biggest reason why I won't vote for the other party is lack of voting rights in the USA.

I also won't vote for the non-other party for this very reason.
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Postby Nuroblav » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:44 am

Well unless I'm gonna pull a 'Leftist for Trump' then I think it's obvious why I wouldn't vote Republican in pretty much any situation. I don't like the Democrats either - too status quo for my liking and basically a kinder version of the Republicans - but they might get a strategic vote for me in swing states, if I were American.
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Cordel One wrote:I don't like voting for Democrats because they're war criminals who support the status quo, but Republicans are worse.

I've seen your posts in a lot of other threads, but now I'm convinced you're a commie.

Chad yes moment.

I generally fall around the same area for the most part, but I'd refer to myself more as an anarchist than a communist, given that the first one sums up my views better.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:46 am

Nuroblav wrote:
I generally fall around the same area for the most part, but I'd refer to myself more as an anarchist than a communist, given that the first one sums up my views better.


Have we appropriated yet another thread?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:46 am

Personal interest. I align more with the Dems overall but I stand to lose more personally by them winning big. It's a rather paradoxical situation, gotta love American politics.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:50 am

Ontorisa wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:What if you consider both of those parties silly loonies and would vote third party?


Then you're wasting a vote IMO, the USA has transformed into a two-party country in which a third party won't receive enough votes to be able to do anything.


Don't be silly, the USA is not a two-party country - it is a single party country. Arguing the Republicans and Democrats are different is like arguing Auburn and Maroon are vastly different colours.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:51 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Personal interest. I align more with the Dems overall but I stand to lose more personally by them winning big. It's a rather paradoxical situation, gotta love American politics.


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Postby Nuroblav » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:54 am

Sanghyeok wrote:Have we appropriated yet another thread?

Well...

Was just casually dropping by quickly on that one. Won't go back to it :p
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Postby Chan Island » Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:05 pm

Because the Republican party is currently a sycophantic cult of personality around a corrupt, incompetent, stupid, inflammatory, narcissistic and irresponsible madman who's own downplaying of Covid has lead to 210000 Americans dying.

That a good enough reason? :p
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