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[submitted] Commend Valentine Z

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[submitted] Commend Valentine Z

Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:09 pm

Content adapted from the previous thread by The Chuck and DGES, plus some new additions to content :)

Not sure if Forum 7 (in quotation marks) is a legal term though, may need a ruling for that.

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The World Assembly,

Affirming the mission of this Council to recognise nations who have made immense positive contributions to the international community, and believing that Valentine Z is one such nation,

Applauding Valentine Z for their painstaking efforts in the utilisation of multiple supercomputers to process statistics from every nation in existence to publish “Trends, Correlations, Anti-Correlations, Oh My!”, a repository of graphs that deal with how possible statistics may affect other statistics when addressing national issues,

Delighted that Valentine Z has also released the raw statistical data for public use, allowing other interested nations to create their own graphs and make observations,

Appreciating Valentine Z for their curatorship of a list of every single dilemma posed to national leaders, as well as their creative usage of technology to automatically update the list, granting speedy access to this documentation of issues for the perusal of all,

Extolling Valentine Z’s creation of the application "Gold Retriever", a highly versatile and vital tool that enabled nations to easily track cumulative art valuations and funds from multiple entities, an otherwise complicated and time consuming process which posed onerous barriers to artwork trade,

Praising Valentine Z's involvement in The North Pacific Cards Guild, the predecessor the current Ministry of Cards, an artwork organisation that promotes unity among collectors, wherein Valentine Z served as Deputy Guildmaster and played a critical role in the recognition of impressive collections via “The Monthly Card Collection Competition”,

Observing that in the The Free Nations Region, Valentine Z under the satellite state Vostrov served as Minister of Information and as a moderator of the region’s official communications channels, contributing to the distribution of crucial regional updates and the enforcement of proper conduct in communications media,

Further noting that Valentine Z has also published articles that distribute information to the public, notably a well-researched news bulletin that documented a recent thermonuclear war, granting many curious people access to a plethora of knowledge regarding the international event,

Pleased that as a candidate for the 2020 WA Secretary-General election, Valentine Z joined forces with Atlantian Oceania and achieved fourth place, and that this pact between the two nations has been credited with forging unlikely alliances between many nations that last to this day,

Admiring the linguists of Valentine Z for spearheading the international documentation of the Valentian language “Valkyrie Språk”, a microcosm of many different languages, with the goal of ensuring that the cultural entities of those languages can all feel included as part of the Valentian country,

Grateful for Valentine Z’s multiple, extensive contributions, every single one being of an inspirational, motivational, or helpful and informative nature and generally spread a morale-boosting message internationally, promulgating ceaseless positivity to all nations in the name of peace and well-being, hereby

Commends Valentine Z.

Co-authored by Destructive Government Economic System, Orca and Narwhal, and Honeydewistania.
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Postby The Chuck » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:30 pm

Due to Destructive Government Economic Systems & I both getting bogged down with university work, we have decided to team up on Commending Valentine Z to Honeydewistania and Orca and Narwhal to really get this ball rolling again.
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Postby Westinor » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:53 pm

Love to see it! :) (Do I have substantial advice? No, please don't hurt me :( )
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Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:56 pm

Westinor wrote:Love to see it! :) (Do I have substantial advice? No, please don't hurt me :( )

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Postby Nevertopia » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:58 pm

what about congratulating her on her years of activity in the game and total posts in that time?
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Postby Refuge Isle » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:38 pm

I might note that you're around 700 characters over the limit on this draft.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:45 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:I might note that you're around 700 characters over the limit on this draft.

Shit, that’s a lot. Have to do some trimming
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Postby SherpDaWerp » Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:11 am

There is no limit on co-authors, but a "reality-imposed limit" of 3 has been suggested.
EDIT: wait, one of the 4 listed is going to be the submitter, ignore that

Full support, same as for the last few iterations. I would also like a comment to be added to the Applauding clause, noting that Val made the full original spreadsheet of data publicly available for those wishing to do their own analysis; I've used it a couple times and it's so much nicer than having to spend days scraping the API myself. That said, I'll support this proposal in pretty much any form, so leaving that out is still OK especially given you're over the character limit.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:39 am

SherpDaWerp wrote:
There is no limit on co-authors, but a "reality-imposed limit" of 3 has been suggested.
EDIT: wait, one of the 4 listed is going to be the submitter, ignore that

Full support, same as for the last few iterations. I would also like a comment to be added to the Applauding clause, noting that Val made the full original spreadsheet of data publicly available for those wishing to do their own analysis; I've used it a couple times and it's so much nicer than having to spend days scraping the API myself. That said, I'll support this proposal in pretty much any form, so leaving that out is still OK especially given you're over the character limit.

Thanks for that info, but there is pretty much no room for that. A new draft will be up in like a minute, which will have a significantly reduce character count.
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Postby Morover » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:11 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:
SherpDaWerp wrote: EDIT: wait, one of the 4 listed is going to be the submitter, ignore that

Full support, same as for the last few iterations. I would also like a comment to be added to the Applauding clause, noting that Val made the full original spreadsheet of data publicly available for those wishing to do their own analysis; I've used it a couple times and it's so much nicer than having to spend days scraping the API myself. That said, I'll support this proposal in pretty much any form, so leaving that out is still OK especially given you're over the character limit.

Thanks for that info, but there is pretty much no room for that. A new draft will be up in like a minute, which will have a significantly reduce character count.

For the record, you're still four characters over by my count.

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Morover wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Thanks for that info, but there is pretty much no room for that. A new draft will be up in like a minute, which will have a significantly reduce character count.

For the record, you're still four characters over by my count.

Honeydewistania wrote:Observing that in the The Free Nations Region, Valentine Z under the satellite state Vostrov served as Minister of Information...

Honeydewistania just about gets... erm, under the line if he takes out the superfluous "the" in his OBSERVING clause :P
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They say a giraffe is a horse designed by a committee and this draft definitely has the feel of that. At the moment I cannot decide what is filler, what is dross and what may be commendable material.

This needs some editing and by that I do not mean replacing the odd word here and there but chainsaw and pruning shears editing.

Forum 7 is an electronic entity within the game so I suspect the usage of it is illegal.

Could not support this at the moment because I think it’s a mess.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:11 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:They say a giraffe is a horse designed by a committee and this draft definitely has the feel of that. At the moment I cannot decide what is filler, what is dross and what may be commendable material.

This needs some editing and by that I do not mean replacing the odd word here and there but chainsaw and pruning shears editing.

Forum 7 is an electronic entity within the game so I suspect the usage of it is illegal.

Could not support this at the moment because I think it’s a mess.

Thank you for that, we’ll have to reconvene now and work on it :)
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Cut out anything that mentions F7, being part of a spam community will not ever be commendable. The only truly alimentary contribution to the community mentioned was the development of Gold Retriever.
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The Unified Missourtama States wrote:Cut out anything that mentions F7, being part of a spam community will not ever be commendable. The only truly alimentary contribution to the community mentioned was the development of Gold Retriever.

The rules explicitly say it’s not a spam community. None of the threads are spam threads. What makes you say it is?
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Comfed wrote:
The Unified Missourtama States wrote:Cut out anything that mentions F7, being part of a spam community will not ever be commendable. The only truly alimentary contribution to the community mentioned was the development of Gold Retriever.

The rules explicitly say it’s not a spam community. None of the threads are spam threads. What makes you say it is?

F7's just a forum community where one can relax, unwind, and generally goof off. The threads are usually pretty engaging and none of the posts made there count towards your post counter.
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Outer Sparta wrote:
Comfed wrote:The rules explicitly say it’s not a spam community. None of the threads are spam threads. What makes you say it is?

F7's just a forum community where one can relax, unwind, and generally goof off. The threads are usually pretty engaging and none of the posts made there count towards your post counter.

Even so, there's a rule against "meta-gaming" or referring to parts of the game as it were, so it's not exactly like one would be able to include that in the resolution itself without violating SC rules.
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Boston Castle wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:F7's just a forum community where one can relax, unwind, and generally goof off. The threads are usually pretty engaging and none of the posts made there count towards your post counter.

Even so, there's a rule against "meta-gaming" or referring to parts of the game as it were, so it's not exactly like one would be able to include that in the resolution itself without violating SC rules.

Honeydew's awaiting a ruling on F7 counting as metagaming, so that remains to be seen as how the mods officially rule.
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:32 pm

If you need to cut characters, the cards clause is generally unnecessary in my opinion.

I don't think anyone characterizes Val as some sort of cards juggernaut - I'd rather the space be used for some of their other work if needed. The 12 day auction didn't really see much involvement from Valentine Z and would be much better in a "Commend DGES" proposal since they were the one to spend many hours bidding on the card (among others, of course).
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I think the Golden Retriever is quite impressive and should be included.
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Comfed wrote:
The Unified Missourtama States wrote:Cut out anything that mentions F7, being part of a spam community will not ever be commendable. The only truly alimentary contribution to the community mentioned was the development of Gold Retriever.

The rules explicitly say it’s not a spam community. None of the threads are spam threads. What makes you say it is?

Unfortunately, however much you may want to believe it, no human language works on a one-to-one scale, I'm sure you know that there is "uh" factor to language and as such that the NationStates' Moderation Team's definition of spam is not the only true one. I define F7 as spam because of it's lack of exterior applications outside of only the singular post.

Also noting that anything that happens in F7 has no permanent effect on the community, and as such is not commendable.
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The Unified Missourtama States wrote:
Comfed wrote:The rules explicitly say it’s not a spam community. None of the threads are spam threads. What makes you say it is?

Unfortunately, however much you may want to believe it, no human language works on a one-to-one scale, I'm sure you know that there is "uh" factor to language and as such that the NationStates' Moderation Team's definition of spam is not the only true one. I define F7 as spam because of it's lack of exterior applications outside of only the singular post.

Also noting that anything that happens in F7 has no permanent effect on the community, and as such is not commendable.

That's a bit unfair - there's clearly a community within F7 and a lot of non-F7 community members stop in and have good interactions there in general. F7 can be useful in a variety of ways, from casual conversation to rating factbooks and signatures to playing a fun community-driven game.
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