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Postby Kowani » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:49 am

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A power vacuum is threatening to destabilise Kyrgyzstan, which is struggling to come up with legitimate ways of initiating a power transfer following the violent uprising over a disputed parliamentary election result. The euphoria felt after opposition groups seized the parliament building has quickly turned to uncertainty and insecurity.

As the government appears to be demoralised by past events, mob rule is spreading across the country. People are storming into government offices and appointing their leaders to positions of chairperson, mayor or minister.

However, these self-declared "appointments" can quickly be overruled by another, bigger mob. This is what happened to the leader of the Bir Bol party Almambet Shykmamatov, who declared himself the new prosecutor-general only to give up the job to a representative of another party who showed up at the office building with a few hundred people.


Several co-ordination councils have been formed to enforce order on the streets and to carry out a transfer of power. Each of them claims to represent authority during the transition period.

Some groups have used this power vacuum to release imprisoned politicians with controversial backgrounds, among them former President Almazbek Atambayev, who was jailed for corruption, and Sadyr Japarov, a former MP from the nationalist Ata Jurt party who was sentenced to 10 years in prison for taking a hostage.

Melis Myrzakmatov, a notorious former mayor of Osh, the second biggest city in Kyrgyzstan, also returned from self-exile and started rallying his supporters. Mr Myrzakmatov is known for his nationalistic rhetoric in the region where ethnic clashes took place in 2010 when he was mayor.


Demonstrators stormed a government complex in Bishkek earlier this week
The emergence of these figures and groups inevitably leads to a power struggle, as each of them aims to promote their own interests.


The focus of the main battle has become the job of prime minister.

On Tuesday, a group of 35 MPs gathered in a hotel behind closed doors and announced Mr Japarov was the new prime minister. The following day, another group declared Tilek Toktogaziev, from a rival party, would fill this role instead. At this rate, some observers joke, Kyrgyzstan will get a new prime minister every day.

All these new councils and appointments have little or no legitimacy. According to the Constitution, a majority party or coalition must nominate a candidate for prime minister, then parliament votes to approve his or her candidacy. And at least 61 MPs out of 120 must be present. The session must also be open to the media and public scrutiny. None of these procedures have been observed.

The only legitimate body is parliament itself, says Saniya Toktogazieva, a lawyer and an expert on constitutional law.

"The only way out of this is to have an extraordinary session of the parliament where they appoint a new cabinet," Ms Toktogazieva says. Then, she adds, parliament must impeach the president if he refuses to step down voluntarily. The speaker of the parliament will become acting president and call for a re-run of the election.

People protest against the results of parliamentary elections at the presidential administration in Bishkek
Many in Kyrgyzstan blame President Sooronbay Jeenbekov for allowing systematic vote buying and other widespread irregularities during the parliamentary election to ensure that only parties loyal to him won seats in parliament. And after the violent crackdown on protesters, opposition parties want Mr Jeenbekov to leave.

Yet, Kyrgyzstan's ambassador to the UK, Edil Baisalov, says that both the president and parliament must be used to overcome the current crisis.

"We shouldn't write him off - [Sooronbay Jeenbekov] is still the head of state. He is ready to guarantee succession and legality, as he told BBC Kyrgyz. Those who demand impeachment do not understand what it may lead to. It may result in banditry, the appearance of local kings, declaring some councils who want to seize power."

In the interview with BBC Kyrgyz, Mr Jeenbekov said he was "ready to give responsibility to strong leaders" but in his public addresses he only called for a dialogue and a return to the legal framework.

This is the third uprising since 2005 in Kyrgyzstan. "The Tulip revolution" in 2005 and the "April revolution" in 2010 that ousted the ruling presidents were followed by looting, taking over private businesses by force and, in 2010, by ethnic clashes.

This time, after what now is widely referred to as the "October revolution", many fear such unrest and violence may happen again. The country is already facing growing instability both in the capital and in the regions.

People linked to criminal groups have attacked and seized several gold and coal mines in Issik Kul, Naryn and other regions. In some cases, they set fire to equipment and physically attacked workers.

Protesters in Bishkek call for the impeachment of Kyrgyzstan's President Sooronbay Jeenbekov
Bishkek residents and activists have formed vigilante groups to protect major shopping malls and business centres in the city.

"On Wednesday night there was a large group of people," said Taalay Nasirdinov, a member of the Reform party. "They walked along the road and threw stones. We followed them to ensure nothing happened. I believe they were provocateurs who wanted to loot shops and that way discredit us - protesters who fought for honest and free elections."

Vigilante groups also gathered outside the building of the prime minister's office. They stopped supporters of Mr Japarov from seizing the building.

Tensions remain high as too many opposing political groups are forcing their agenda on others.

"We have such chaos," said Mr Nasirdinov. "If things continue like now, we will never reach a consensus. Instead of one dragon - President Jeenbekov - we have now at least three or four and this may drag us apart following different interests. And I am scared of the worst-case scenario - a civil war. I am worried that we may lose our country."


Tl;dr: Widespread reports of vote-buying and a fraudulent election triggered what were originally mass protests, then order broke down as various different groups claimed authority to oversee the transition, leading to the resignation of the PM and the Speaker of Parliament, the appointment of 2 other PMs through unconstitutional processes by rival parties, one of whom had been serving an 11 year prison sentence just hours earlier for taking an employee hostage.

Also, there's mass violence, people are being appointed to local office by mobs, and the parliamentary meetings have been stormed by a mob at least once.
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Postby Kyundao » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:53 am

Damn. And I thought 2020 couldn't get any worse.

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Postby New haven america » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:54 am

Kyrgyzstan is really dedicated to democracy, so attempted coups and then rioters ousting said coup attempters are actually pretty common there.
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Postby Kyundao » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:57 am

New haven america wrote:Kyrgyzstan is really dedicated to democracy, so attempted coups and then rioters ousting said coup attempters are actually pretty common there.

That's one of the big reasons why I'm against democracy. There are good reasons why the ancient philosophers viewed it as anarchic.
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Postby Purpelia » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:00 am

New haven america wrote:Kyrgyzstan is really dedicated to democracy, so attempted coups and then rioters ousting said coup attempters are actually pretty common there.

It's also a tiny country of burred deep in the hinterland of Asia. So I fail to see why this topic should interest anyone not from there. I mean.. like if the entire country just vanished from the face of the earth leaving a hole behind I doubt we'd notice. Eventually some journalist would report it but like that's it.
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:03 am

From what I heard, Central Asia has a very similar conditions to the Middle East before the Arab Spring. I dont think we can really make an apple-apple comparison, though, especially since the state isn't like the brutal dictatorships on its surroundings.

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Postby Heloin » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:31 am

Purpelia wrote:
New haven america wrote:Kyrgyzstan is really dedicated to democracy, so attempted coups and then rioters ousting said coup attempters are actually pretty common there.

It's also a tiny country of burred deep in the hinterland of Asia. So I fail to see why this topic should interest anyone not from there. I mean.. like if the entire country just vanished from the face of the earth leaving a hole behind I doubt we'd notice. Eventually some journalist would report it but like that's it.

This is a political forum. This is a political event that effects the nations of central Asia and by extension Russia and China. The ripples are small but dismissing everything as "not important" raises the question of why are you wasting your time to tell other people what they're talking about is a waste of time?
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:42 am

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Postby Purpelia » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:42 am

Heloin wrote:
Purpelia wrote:It's also a tiny country of burred deep in the hinterland of Asia. So I fail to see why this topic should interest anyone not from there. I mean.. like if the entire country just vanished from the face of the earth leaving a hole behind I doubt we'd notice. Eventually some journalist would report it but like that's it.

This is a political forum. This is a political event that effects the nations of central Asia and by extension Russia and China. The ripples are small but dismissing everything as "not important" raises the question of why are you wasting your time to tell other people what they're talking about is a waste of time?

It's my time to waste. Just as your time is yours to waste caring about it. I have equal right to my opinion as you do to yours. I ain't saying that you should all just stop posting here. Just expressing my view that its frankly tiresome how every time tree falls over in the forests of some randomfarawaystan we get a thread. Still, I'll give you one thing. At least it's a break from the usual Russia = China = SATAN HITLER 5G DEATH RAY stuff we typically get. So it's not all bad. I mean, it's almost refreshing to have a thread where I can be genuinely indifferent as opposed to annoyed.
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Postby Albrenia » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:45 am

I don't mind non-American or UK threads appearing. It's refreshing in some ways.

Not so much in this case since it's apparently some rather bad news, but it's good to stay informed.

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Postby Heloin » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:46 am

Purpelia wrote:
Heloin wrote:This is a political forum. This is a political event that effects the nations of central Asia and by extension Russia and China. The ripples are small but dismissing everything as "not important" raises the question of why are you wasting your time to tell other people what they're talking about is a waste of time?

It's my time to waste. Just as your time is yours to waste caring about it. I have equal right to my opinion as you do to yours. I ain't saying that you should all just stop posting here. Just expressing my view that its frankly tiresome how every time tree falls over in the forests of some randomfarawaystan we get a thread.

You are saying that though. Important events are important even if you don't give a fuck.

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Postby Purpelia » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:47 am

Heloin wrote:
Purpelia wrote:It's my time to waste. Just as your time is yours to waste caring about it. I have equal right to my opinion as you do to yours. I ain't saying that you should all just stop posting here. Just expressing my view that its frankly tiresome how every time tree falls over in the forests of some randomfarawaystan we get a thread.

You are saying that though. Important events are important even if you don't give a fuck.

No, all I am saying is that I indeed do not give a... that thing. You are free to give yours if you like. Tiz a free forum.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:38 am

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:46 am

So people in Kyrgyzstan are running the government the same way alot of them ask a girl out?
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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:51 am

Resilient Acceleration wrote:From what I heard, Central Asia has a very similar conditions to the Middle East before the Arab Spring. I dont think we can really make an apple-apple comparison, though, especially since the state isn't like the brutal dictatorships on its surroundings.


Central Asia is in a tight spot IIRC, even more so in the coming years. The water issues are already causing rifts in that region I think and it’s only going to get worse. I can only hope someone restores Kyrgyzstan to some order and stability.

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Postby Woldoina » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:54 am

Ah yes another expamle of a post soivet nation falling into a dicatorship afterwards cause the commie still found a way to keep their reign.

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What's happening in Kyrgzsyan now is literally like that episode of Family Guy when the townspeople demanded the mayor step down and he was like "okay, but this pillar is mine."
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Postby Nuroblav » Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:19 am

On another site I'm frequently on, Kyrgyzstan is pretty much a meme, mainly due to the name.

But damn. Politics in the stans are always fun.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:10 pm

Purpelia wrote:
New haven america wrote:Kyrgyzstan is really dedicated to democracy, so attempted coups and then rioters ousting said coup attempters are actually pretty common there.

It's also a tiny country of burred deep in the hinterland of Asia. So I fail to see why this topic should interest anyone not from there. I mean.. like if the entire country just vanished from the face of the earth leaving a hole behind I doubt we'd notice. Eventually some journalist would report it but like that's it.


If it doesn't interest you, then don't post. I find it interesting.

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Postby Purpelia » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:18 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Purpelia wrote:It's also a tiny country of burred deep in the hinterland of Asia. So I fail to see why this topic should interest anyone not from there. I mean.. like if the entire country just vanished from the face of the earth leaving a hole behind I doubt we'd notice. Eventually some journalist would report it but like that's it.


If it doesn't interest you, then don't post. I find it interesting.

This thread however does interest me. Think of it in terms of me caring about the metadata as opposed to the data.
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New haven america wrote:Kyrgyzstan is really dedicated to democracy, so attempted coups and then rioters ousting said coup attempters are actually pretty common there.

That's one of the big reasons why I'm against democracy. There are good reasons why the ancient philosophers viewed it as anarchic.


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Postby Parxland » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:15 pm

Kowani wrote:Those who demand impeachment do not understand what it may lead to. It may result in banditry, the appearance of local kings, declaring some councils who want to seize power.


Local kings?

I want to be a king. I know nothing about the languages, people, or culture of Kyrgyzstan. I can't even write the country's name correctly, but somehow I'll find a way to be a king there. Maybe I'll rename the land I rule after one of my family.
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