NATION

PASSWORD

Greece's Golden Dawn Falls to Leaden Dusk

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)
User avatar
Shrillland
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 14500
Founded: Apr 12, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Greece's Golden Dawn Falls to Leaden Dusk

Postby Shrillland » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:09 am

On Wednesday, the Athens Appeals Court ruled that the far-right neo-Nazi Golden Dawn Party was, in fact, a criminal organisation and has effectively outlawed the party nationwide: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-greece-golden-dawn-trial-idUSKBN26S14Z?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1a7LfRRWLfZlPpb3Pr4Op_c3E_MlshcB8O-_eAioPmYyI9W6HvFLlDhqw

ATHENS (Reuters) - A Greek court on Wednesday declared far-right party Golden Dawn a criminal group, effectively banning a radical organisation that was once the third-largest party in the country.


The courtroom cheered, as did thousands who gathered outside the Athens appeals court. But the mood on the streets turned sour when isolated groups of self-styled anarchists threw petrol bombs at police, who responded with tear gas and water cannon.

Golden Dawn was catapulted from obscurity to infamy in the space of a few years, attracting supporters with a xenophobic rhetoric at the height of Greece’s debilitating debt crisis.

But it started to unravel in September 2013, when a party supporter was arrested for the killing of Pavlos Fyssas, a musician and rapper aligned to the political left.

Golden Dawn members, including its leader Nikos Mihaloliakos, were rounded up and authorities launched an inquiry into whether the group was a criminal organisation in parallel to the probe into Fyssas’s death. The trial started in 2015.

Before the court ruled that the party leadership was running a criminal group, the court found Golden Dawn supporter Yiorgos Roupakias guilty of Fyssas’s murder.

Fyssas’s black-clad mother Magda, who has not missed a day since the trial started, burst into tears at the verdict ruling Golden Dawn criminal. “Pavlos you did it,” she said, according to Greek media.

The Golden Dawn members, including Mihaloliakos, were not present in court on Wednesday.

They were arrested in 2013, the first time that elected politicians had been detained in Greece since a military coup in 1967, and released after their pre-trial detention period expired.

Golden Dawn failed to win a single seat in last year’s parliamentary election that brought the conservative New Democracy party to power.

Prosecutors had charged 65 people, including 18 former Golden Dawn lawmakers, with being members of a criminal group. Their trial started in April 2015. At the time, the party said it was the victim of a politically motivated witch-hunt.

Dozens of others on trial, party members and alleged associates, face convictions on charges that range from murder to perjury, linked to a spate of violent attacks on immigrants and left-wing activists.

Wednesday’s verdict sets the stage for the high-profile case to proceed with the court looking into sentencing for the murder of Fyssas and other violent attacks.

Tens of thousands rallied outside the heavily policed appeals court area, holding banners reading “Fascism, Never Again” and “Freedom for the People, Death to Fascism”.

“We must send a message to the younger generations, a message against fascism,” said 69-year-old Sophia. “It’s our duty to democracy to be here today, to show we are standing up against such criminal actions.”

Human rights group Amnesty International, which helped organise a network to record racist violence in Greece, said Wednesday’s verdict would boost efforts to fight hate crimes.

“The accusations against the leaders and members of Golden Dawn, including the murder of Pavlos Fyssas, expose a fissure that exists not just within Greece but across Europe and beyond,” said Nils Muiznieks, Europe director at Amnesty.


This was due to the continued violence carried out by both its members and leadership against migrants, liberals, and leftists. The once influential far-right party has now been outlawed, and it's now known as of yet what will happen to its 22 members of regional councils up and down the Peripheries.

So, NSG, what's your take on this news?

While I'm certainly not going to shed any tears for these cretins, I will say that there could be some angry supporters wanting to raise rabble in the short term. Long-term, I think they could try to create a new party giving lip service to the idea of legality, but GD was dying before this, and I see no reason why any successor should succeed.
Stand with Content Creators Like Me! Stand With The Union!
Plebiscite Plaza 2020
In 1963, Doctor Who taught us all we need to know about politics when a cave woman said, "Old men see no further than tomorrow's meat".

User avatar
Honeydewistania
Minister
 
Posts: 2257
Founded: Jun 09, 2017
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:14 am

Good riddance to fash rubbish
Honeydewistania (Nation mostly does not represent real life views.)

Retired Regional Military Director of Lazarus
Ambassador to the WA: Benji Schubert Hepperle
Assistant to the Ambassador: Rekeil Wrigglesworth II
Official Coffee-fetcher and Masseuse: Jonathan Santos de Oliveira

The MT Army Warrior
Need me? Click here!
Biggest acheivement: Spelling

User avatar
Kowani
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 28491
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:24 am

There shall be no platform for fascism.
Good on Greece.
Telconi wrote:Every once in a while Kowani does have a decent point.

Kowani wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Also, you could quit being a condescending dick.
I could. But am I going to? Nah.
ni dio, ni rey, ni patria, ni amo

A Republic...if you can keep it.

User avatar
Kyundao
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 484
Founded: Jan 02, 2020
Corporate Police State

Postby Kyundao » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:28 am

I'm part of the auth-right crowd and I don't even consider Golden Dawn right-wing in any way. This isn't a loss in my book.
Last edited by Kyundao on Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:35 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
An Alan Smithee Nation
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6251
Founded: Apr 18, 2018
New York Times Democracy

Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:15 am

I'm guessing the more extreme the viewpoint of a political party, the fewer people adhere to it, the harder it finds it to finance itself. Hence extreme parties like nazis and far left groups are more likely to indulge in criminal practices to sustain themselves.
Everything is intertwinkled

User avatar
Dumb Ideologies
Post Czar
 
Posts: 43851
Founded: Sep 30, 2007
Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:42 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I'm guessing the more extreme the viewpoint of a political party, the fewer people adhere to it, the harder it finds it to finance itself. Hence extreme parties like nazis and far left groups are more likely to indulge in criminal practices to sustain themselves.


This is true. But also - and this is regardless of whether there's any value to be found in a group's ideas - there's the factor that people who are willing to associate themselves with an ideology viewed as anathema by the society will naturally tend to include a disproportionate number of people who have antisocial personalities that are often associated with a criminal background. And if you view the current system as inherently illegitimate then there's a lower bar to breaking its laws.
Tʜᴇ Mᴏsᴛʟʏ Pᴇᴀᴄᴇғᴜʟ Rɪᴏᴛɪɴɢ ᴏғ Dᴜᴍʙ Iᴅᴇᴏʟᴏɢɪᴇs
¸„¤*˜*¤„¸„¤*˜*¤„¸ To culture war! The cause of and solution to all of life's problems ¸„¤*˜*¤„¸„¤*˜*¤„¸
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane ~ Marcus Aurelius
♆ P ᴀ x D I ᴀ ʙ ᴏ ʟ ɪ ᴄ ᴀ ♆

User avatar
Albrenia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15611
Founded: Aug 18, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Albrenia » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:43 am

Did they know their name makes them sound like a cult to the Old Ones or something?

User avatar
Punished UMN
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1224
Founded: Jul 05, 2020
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Punished UMN » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:59 am

Albrenia wrote:Did they know their name makes them sound like a cult to the Old Ones or something?

And the villains in Oblivion.
Still lurking in the community, but don't expect much engagement.
Rawlsian socialist and Constitutional Monarchist. Proud member of the Napoleon Bonaparte fandom.
I have borderline personality disorder, if I overreact to something, try to approach me after the fact and I'll apologize
Asexual man.

User avatar
Albrenia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15611
Founded: Aug 18, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Albrenia » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:00 am

Punished UMN wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Did they know their name makes them sound like a cult to the Old Ones or something?

And the villains in Oblivion.


Thank you! I was wondering what it reminds me of.

+1 internets for UMN.

User avatar
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
Diplomat
 
Posts: 904
Founded: Sep 24, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:29 am

Greek democracy has dealt a blow to fascism. The whole world is shoulder to shoulder against terrorism !
Sosyal Demokrat Kemalist
Zayıf Agnostik

Türk %75,1 ☾☆
Slav % 20,4
Hintli %1,35
Çinli %1

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Post Czar
 
Posts: 47076
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:33 am

Get fucked Nazis
Im Irish and live in Belfast Im a Leftwinger and im an Atheist

‘I never thought in terms of being a leader. I thought very simply in terms of helping people’ - John Hume

I like: The Red Agenda, video games, Not being a Wanker, Art, History, Blondes, Redheads, English Brunettes, Fortifications, Old Gregg, Tanks
I Dislike: The Blue Agenda, Being a Wanker, Gatekeeping, Likes and Dislikes lists, Dismantling Fortifications, Zealots, People who dont like Tanks

User avatar
Risottia
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53115
Founded: Sep 05, 2006
New York Times Democracy

Postby Risottia » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:53 am

A band of criminals gets jailed and faces the full force of the LAW.

Isn't that one of the things the extreme right-wing is supposed to be cheering for? :D
Statanist through and through.
Evilutionist Atheist Crusadjihadist. "Darwinu Akhbar! Dawkins vult!"
Founder of the NSG Peace Prize Committee.
I'm back.
SUMMER, BLOODY SUMMER!

User avatar
Loben III
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1430
Founded: Aug 06, 2020
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Loben III » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:56 am

Accomplish a task and others will take their place, noting important anyway.
Abandon your jobs
Abandon your posts
Abandon your homes
Abandon all hope

User avatar
Konolas
Envoy
 
Posts: 229
Founded: May 02, 2019
Father Knows Best State

Postby Konolas » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:00 am

Good on Greece
Our Regions
Our History

A 16.11 civilization, according to this index.
A Class 1,33 Civilization according to this index.
Member of SETA

KNN Now:Igorgrad: The National Assembly is holding a meeting lasting a few day to write a new Konolasian constitution. CoVid-19: Yula, Kiga, West and East Rasland and Hega have become «Red Zones». Citizens in those regions are not allowed to leave their homes. Rest of Konolas is still classified as a «Yellow Zone». Citizens in «Yellow Zones» must wear a medically provided facemask.

User avatar
Phoenicaea
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1914
Founded: May 24, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Phoenicaea » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:06 am

historical alternative for italy’s past century 20’s, if mussolini had been condemned for matteotti assassination. chief claimed ‘political responsibility of deeds’, which this case got judged for.

resemblance apart, the important is to notice how greek nowadays constitution is much ordered and well made. it also provides a strict step-by-step protocol to fill vacancies of high institutions.

‘modest’ countries have often better constitutions, because they do not reform it after, so stolid.
Last edited by Phoenicaea on Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:08 am, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Post Czar
 
Posts: 46313
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:19 am

Risottia wrote:A band of criminals gets jailed and faces the full force of the LAW.

Isn't that one of the things the extreme right-wing is supposed to be cheering for? :D


Not even remotely. That's a wishy-washy center-right thing. The extreme right is pretty arguably more revolutionary than the left nowadays.
Leaning towards Agrarian State Socialism, Anti-Racist, Authoritarian

User avatar
Saiwania
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18050
Founded: Jun 30, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Saiwania » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:31 am

This ruling is completely invalid and its not going to stop the party's continued existence, even if it has to be under a different name. This kangaroo court is essentially blaming the misbehavior of some rank and file on the party's leadership and the party itself. If Greece wants to defend some rapper as their hill to die on, that is the Greek government's business I suppose, but it reflects how pitiful the Greek state has fallen when to this day, Greece's government is incapable of resolving its larger internal problems and can't meet challenges either foreign or domestic.

User avatar
Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 142640
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:37 am

Greece sticking it to fascists? Alexa, play Coat of Arms.
Mistake Not My Current State Of Regular Thorough Handwashing For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Mask Wearing That Are Themselves The Mere Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Social Distancing
He/Him

You've got a lonesome road to walk, and it ain't along the railroad track, and it ain't along the black-top tar you walked a hundred times before.
I'll tell you where the real road lies: between your ears, behind your eyes. That is the path to paradise, likewise the road to ruin.

User avatar
The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan
Secretary
 
Posts: 40
Founded: Jul 05, 2020
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:41 am

lets enjoy by eating mutton briyani about the Greek ban on the neo nazi :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: and pro nazi party

User avatar
SD_Film Artists
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11843
Founded: Jun 10, 2009
Father Knows Best State

Postby SD_Film Artists » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:58 am

Albrenia wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:And the villains in Oblivion.


Thank you! I was wondering what it reminds me of.

+1 internets for UMN.


I thought it's one of the fake terrorist organisations that Hans Gruber mentions in Die Hard.

It's Asian Dawn
Last edited by SD_Film Artists on Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:11 am, edited 2 times in total.
Lurking NSG since 2005
Economic Left/Right: -2.62, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.67

When anybody preaches disunity, tries to pit one of us against each other through class warfare, race hatred, or religious intolerance, you know that person seeks to rob us of our freedom and destroy our very lives.

User avatar
The Holy Therns
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 28253
Founded: Jul 09, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby The Holy Therns » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:00 am

Well that added some flavor to today's coffee, for sure. Good going, Greece.
Those who want respect give respect
Your new favorite.
MTF transperson. She/her. Lives in Sweden.
Also, N A N A ! ! !
Gallade wrote:Love, cake, wine and banter. No greater meaning to life (〜^∇^)〜

Ethel mermania wrote:to therns is to transend the pettiness of the field of play into the field of dreams.

User avatar
Valrifell
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 29762
Founded: Aug 18, 2013
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Valrifell » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:01 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Risottia wrote:A band of criminals gets jailed and faces the full force of the LAW.

Isn't that one of the things the extreme right-wing is supposed to be cheering for? :D


Not even remotely. That's a wishy-washy center-right thing. The extreme right is pretty arguably more revolutionary than the left nowadays.


You type this but I read "Hi, I'm WRA and I'm a crypto-fascist"
HAVING AN ALL CAPS SIG MAKES ME FEEL SMART

User avatar
The Emerald Legion
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10122
Founded: Mar 18, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:01 am

On the one hand, Golden Dawn were assholes.

On the other, One more demonstration as to the lack of freedom in the Eurosphere.
"23.The unwise man is awake all night, and ponders everything over; when morning comes he is weary in mind, and all is a burden as ever." - Havamal

User avatar
Valrifell
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 29762
Founded: Aug 18, 2013
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Valrifell » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:02 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:On the one hand, Golden Dawn were assholes.

On the other, One more demonstration as to the lack of freedom in the Eurosphere.


People do not have the freedom to organize to destroy the concept of freedom. That's paradoxical.
HAVING AN ALL CAPS SIG MAKES ME FEEL SMART

User avatar
The Emerald Legion
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10122
Founded: Mar 18, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:05 am

Valrifell wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:On the one hand, Golden Dawn were assholes.

On the other, One more demonstration as to the lack of freedom in the Eurosphere.


People do not have the freedom to organize to destroy the concept of freedom. That's paradoxical.


No it's not. Poppers paradox is stupid nonsense.
"23.The unwise man is awake all night, and ponders everything over; when morning comes he is weary in mind, and all is a burden as ever." - Havamal

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ard al Islam, Austria-Bohemia-Hungary, Cordel One, Doughertania, Dunkirlothesia, Exalted Inquellian State, Genivaria, Kanadorika, Kevoria, Kickassistaan, Kowani, Loben III, Nakena, Nekostan-e Gharbi, Nilokeras, Northwest Slobovia, OMG IS THAT A WAIFU, Phoenixy, Romextly, Salus Maior, Sungoldy-China, The Galactic American Imperium, Tye, Vaeruio, Venkara, Voxija, Washington Resistance Army, Zaviana, Zedeshia

Advertisement

Remove ads