Axis versus Allies (Planning, OOC, Invite Only)

[The Chuck]

Got a few little projects cooking on the stove just for this RP selks

Awesome! Can you give us a sneak peak or is it all hush-hush before the big reveal?

*Cough* a few weapon systems, a few familiar family names, and a few creative logistical solutions... Along with this, have been doing a bit of poking around with the industrial capabilities of the era and might be able to be a foreign contractor for the manufacturing of certain heavy industrial components that require heavy presses, etc. Now that is all *Slams door*

Also the industrial complex of my nation would be interested in trading with Menyz to obtain specifically fuel oil and naptha.

[The Selkie]

Awesome! Can you give us a sneak peak or is it all hush-hush before the big reveal?

*Cough* a few weapon systems, a few familiar family names, and a few creative logistical solutions... Along with this, have been doing a bit of poking around with the industrial capabilities of the era and might be able to be a foreign contractor for the manufacturing of certain heavy industrial components that require heavy presses, etc. Now that is all *Slams door*

Also the industrial complex of my nation would be interested in trading with Menyz to obtain specifically fuel oil and naptha.

That does sound fun.
When something is ready, I'll see, if someone from my nations on Aranna is interested.

As for exporting the oil... the problem is, that Menyz is landlocked and can only reach the ocean effectively either by river-shipping or by train. And, of course, those, who's borders are crossed, would like to have a nice share of the pie, too.
But yes, one could work something out quite easily.

Oii, everyone,
Good to see this alive again! I've yet to catch up a bit, especially since I'm currently very short at time, but no worries - I'm still onboard. ^^
So, at first ...

[...]

Citimere:

Port Ember would use Citimere as a major importer of Coal. We will import wine on a much smaller scale, as wine is not a very popular product in Port Ember, thus we dont really produce it ourselves, so the importing of it would serve the small niche market. For exports to Citimere, I suggest us selling them Copper (which we buy low from elsewhere and sell to them, as referenced with the trade networks), and then homegrown Rum, cigars, tropical fruits, seafood and fish. Do you concur?

Carlotina:

They are a bit more difficult, since they are a tropical nation as well, thus have access to roughly the same raw goods. So, I propose we buy lumber from them (since we dont cut down our own jungle). We could also buy them silver and gold. As for exports, we propose to sell them cigars, and raw minerals which we obtain from our trade network. Do you concur?

[...]

Very belatedly, I concur in either case. ^^

So, Menyz looks good! I could quite imagine, that Ahua might have an economic interest as well, maybe less in the wool, but more in the oil - after all, there must be a place for the Ahuan combat vehicles' fuel to come from. ^^ (Even if they go for Aib first, and if Aib has oil reserves, these might not last forever, after all.) Also love what their language would sound like - based on Attakuni alone, some interest Japonic-Turkic mix.
Emilia, whom we've already talked about, looks good, too!
On Frijawa and Trinchasa - plans like a sound, or something like that. ^^ Fun aside - of course, this would have a couple of consequences for the Citimerese, who might quickly get to the idea, that securing its borders in the west and northwest might not exactly be unreasonable, for the border river is literally the only natural protection Citimere has, and not even everywhere. A particularly problematic strategic point would be the part of the border to Trinchasa not protected by the river (my spontaneous naming idea for that bit would be "Vellauna Gap"), which could easily be used by Trinchasan troops to quickly enter the Northern Plains. And even down at the coast, Virobriga might be as fortified as Vivares, if not even way more. Depending on how well Citimere and Menyz get along, Trinchasa would be an important transit country, which no one wants to lose to the alliance established by Ahua. Might become a shot in their foot in the event of Citimere and Hrohasa going for them. ^^

The question of where the oil comes from was one, which I had thought about a bit as well. Synthetic oil production is nice and dandy, but expensive and inefficient, import makes one reliant on others - depending on who that might be and where it comes from, that might make matters very difficult once the naval campaign starts in earnest.
Sadly, it'd be around half a century early for using what comes out in the end, but giving Aib a few, small oil fields to sate the hunger of the Ahuan War Machine at least for a little bit might not be a bad idea. Maybe in one or more of the lakes as well? We'll see.
As for the language of Menyz... I actually threw together two words from Gothic, atta being the father and kuni being the tribe - my love for topical names struck again. ; )

Yeah, Emilia is a nice lass. ; )

Yes, putting those two on Ahua's side - or even just one - would make things certainly a bit more complicated. The idea of making Trinchasa a transit country between Menyz and Citimere sounds like an interesting one. Though, what would be transported through it?

[The Selkie]

Good morning on this nice Saturday, everyone!
And another douple post from me - sorry. ; )

So, I made a little list, if you will, as to what natural resources are found where on Aranna. I am sure, that there is a lot to add, but for now, is everyone alright with what we have so far? And did I miss anything important?

[Carlotina]

The question of where the oil comes from was one, which I had thought about a bit as well. Synthetic oil production is nice and dandy, but expensive and inefficient, import makes one reliant on others - depending on who that might be and where it comes from, that might make matters very difficult once the naval campaign starts in earnest.
Sadly, it'd be around half a century early for using what comes out in the end, but giving Aib a few, small oil fields to sate the hunger of the Ahuan War Machine at least for a little bit might not be a bad idea. Maybe in one or more of the lakes as well? We'll see.
As for the language of Menyz... I actually threw together two words from Gothic, atta being the father and kuni being the tribe - my love for topical names struck again. ; )

Yeah, Emilia is a nice lass. ; )

Yes, putting those two on Ahua's side - or even just one - would make things certainly a bit more complicated. The idea of making Trinchasa a transit country between Menyz and Citimere sounds like an interesting one. Though, what would be transported through it?

It would indeed make sense. Ahua might consider the small oil fields in Aib a temporary solution for its possible supply issues, but little more - Menyz would be more ideal, so it could be Ahua's ultimate goal, and once this is done, Ahua might see itself in a perfect position to do virtually anything in terms of reconquering their terre irredente now belonging to Hrohasa and Auwalt. So far for the theory. ^^
They are actually Gothic? I knew, that Ahua is based on Gothic lands, but I associated atta with ata, the word for 'father' in many Turkic languages such as Turkish and Kazakh, and kuni means 'land' in Japanese. Surely an interesting coincidence (which it most likely is, unless I end up proven wrong), and since I have nations based on either, I didn't really think about that possibility.

I'm confident, that this won't only be your opinion, but also the one of two Princes who didn't end up with a Sharulsi merchant in the mid-1940s. ^^

Well, Citimere and Menyz could easily trade oil and wool for steel and coal. While Citimere might already have some oil deal with another nation (maybe Shamsiyya?), oil from Menyz might be cheaper for them due to shorter transport ways. The idea of losing that pipeline and important transport routes (roads and railroads) to an Ahuan ally might not sit well with Condate.
This, of course, might raise the question as to how ready Hrohasa would be for a two-front war - they would need to defend themselves from Ahua in the north and yet have troops left to assist Citimere in the south. It might easily go to the latter for them, so one would need to know, if they would want to take that risk.

As for the natural resources, I think, the essentials are in. At least, I can't think of anything that might be missing ...

[Astares Amauricanum]

Good morning on this nice Saturday, everyone!
And another douple post from me - sorry. ; )

So, I made a little list, if you will, as to what natural resources are found where on Aranna. I am sure, that there is a lot to add, but for now, is everyone alright with what we have so far? And did I miss anything important?

I don't think that there are some things missing, but can you please add the presence of coal and iron in NorthWestern Mandanda as well please?

[The Selkie]

The question of where the oil comes from was one, which I had thought about a bit as well. Synthetic oil production is nice and dandy, but expensive and inefficient, import makes one reliant on others - depending on who that might be and where it comes from, that might make matters very difficult once the naval campaign starts in earnest.
Sadly, it'd be around half a century early for using what comes out in the end, but giving Aib a few, small oil fields to sate the hunger of the Ahuan War Machine at least for a little bit might not be a bad idea. Maybe in one or more of the lakes as well? We'll see.
As for the language of Menyz... I actually threw together two words from Gothic, atta being the father and kuni being the tribe - my love for topical names struck again. ; )

Yeah, Emilia is a nice lass. ; )

Yes, putting those two on Ahua's side - or even just one - would make things certainly a bit more complicated. The idea of making Trinchasa a transit country between Menyz and Citimere sounds like an interesting one. Though, what would be transported through it?

It would indeed make sense. Ahua might consider the small oil fields in Aib a temporary solution for its possible supply issues, but little more - Menyz would be more ideal, so it could be Ahua's ultimate goal, and once this is done, Ahua might see itself in a perfect position to do virtually anything in terms of reconquering their terre irredente now belonging to Hrohasa and Auwalt. So far for the theory. ^^
They are actually Gothic? I knew, that Ahua is based on Gothic lands, but I associated atta with ata, the word for 'father' in many Turkic languages such as Turkish and Kazakh, and kuni means 'land' in Japanese. Surely an interesting coincidence (which it most likely is, unless I end up proven wrong), and since I have nations based on either, I didn't really think about that possibility.

I'm confident, that this won't only be your opinion, but also the one of two Princes who didn't end up with a Sharulsi merchant in the mid-1940s. ^^

Well, Citimere and Menyz could easily trade oil and wool for steel and coal. While Citimere might already have some oil deal with another nation (maybe Shamsiyya?), oil from Menyz might be cheaper for them due to shorter transport ways. The idea of losing that pipeline and important transport routes (roads and railroads) to an Ahuan ally might not sit well with Condate.
This, of course, might raise the question as to how ready Hrohasa would be for a two-front war - they would need to defend themselves from Ahua in the north and yet have troops left to assist Citimere in the south. It might easily go to the latter for them, so one would need to know, if they would want to take that risk.

As for the natural resources, I think, the essentials are in. At least, I can't think of anything that might be missing ...

Actually, Menyz is part of that Terra Irredente, so it is on the conquering list anyway. ; ) I also have a plan already as to how who will fight whom when as things go down in 1941. Trinchasa will be quite important for that, not only due to the oil route to Citimere.

Atta indeed seems to mean father in many turkic languages - it is also used as a given name. And it is one suspected origin of the name of Attila the Hun (a.k.a. Etzel, as far as the Niebelungenlied is concerned).

Emilia does have a bit of a hard standing, mainly due to her own nobility not being too keen on following "a child playing dress-up." Add in Teressian conservatism, where women have a number of duties, none of them being engaging openly in politics... A marriage into another powerful family could only increase her standing...
That is for the future to consider. I was hoping, that we could develop this far enough to be able to host a ball in 1945 or something, but that is still all misty and foggy. ; )

Well, Hrohasa, Menyz and Citimere would have to coordinate and arrange a plan, when push comes to shove, and could envelope Trinchasa in a three-front war rather quickly, if all goes according to their plan. What Ahua plans, though, and if they manage it, and how it will affect the course of the war, that is another question I already have an idea about.
One thing is for certain: Of the three, Menyz is the smallest threat to Ahuan ambitions.

As for the resources, thanks. : D

I don't think that there are some things missing, but can you please add the presence of coal and iron in NorthWestern Mandanda as well please?

The coal is already there:

Coal deposits are found from Barschenberg and Clunia in Teressien, in the nearby city-states of Juva and Ennia and in neighbouring regions of Mandanda.

Granted, that is not directly North-Western Mandanda, but close enough. ; )
As for the iron ore, would you terribly mind, if we move that more towards Ungola in the east? That way, it wouldn't be all bunched up in the north-west, ready to be taken when the Ahuans decide, that the 'Mandys' (maybe we could introduce that as a slang term for Mandandans?) are a bit too pesky for their liking.
Also, you might have noticed in Teressien a little city in the north east by the name of Galik. I had the idea, that maybe this city was originally Mandandan, but in some war or the other a century or two back, it fell to Teressien and remained there. Would that be agreeable with you?

[Astares Amauricanum]

The coal is already there:

Coal deposits are found from Barschenberg and Clunia in Teressien, in the nearby city-states of Juva and Ennia and in neighbouring regions of Mandanda.

Granted, that is not directly North-Western Mandanda, but close enough. ; )
As for the iron ore, would you terribly mind, if we move that more towards Ungola in the east? That way, it wouldn't be all bunched up in the north-west, ready to be taken when the Ahuans decide, that the 'Mandys' (maybe we could introduce that as a slang term for Mandandans?) are a bit too pesky for their liking.
Also, you might have noticed in Teressien a little city in the north east by the name of Galik. I had the idea, that maybe this city was originally Mandandan, but in some war or the other a century or two back, it fell to Teressien and remained there. Would that be agreeable with you?

Okay, thanks for reminding me : )

For the iron ore, no problem, let's move it in the east near Ungola.
The Mandys sounds like a really good nicknames, let's keep it ; )

For Galik though, I don't know for sure right now. On the right side, it sounds like a good idea, but on the other side, I feel that it is going to create some sort of unnecesary substory, and I'm not a big fan of those.
I'll think about it for a bit if you don't mind, and I'll tell you later my choice.

[Carlotina]

Actually, Menyz is part of that Terra Irredente, so it is on the conquering list anyway. ; ) I also have a plan already as to how who will fight whom when as things go down in 1941. Trinchasa will be quite important for that, not only due to the oil route to Citimere.

Atta indeed seems to mean father in many turkic languages - it is also used as a given name. And it is one suspected origin of the name of Attila the Hun (a.k.a. Etzel, as far as the Niebelungenlied is concerned).

Emilia does have a bit of a hard standing, mainly due to her own nobility not being too keen on following "a child playing dress-up." Add in Teressian conservatism, where women have a number of duties, none of them being engaging openly in politics... A marriage into another powerful family could only increase her standing...
That is for the future to consider. I was hoping, that we could develop this far enough to be able to host a ball in 1945 or something, but that is still all misty and foggy. ; )

Well, Hrohasa, Menyz and Citimere would have to coordinate and arrange a plan, when push comes to shove, and could envelope Trinchasa in a three-front war rather quickly, if all goes according to their plan. What Ahua plans, though, and if they manage it, and how it will affect the course of the war, that is another question I already have an idea about.
One thing is for certain: Of the three, Menyz is the smallest threat to Ahuan ambitions.

As for the resources, thanks. : D

That's what I mean - after snacking Aib and Menyz, maybe even Rora and Bargs, they could get to the idea, that virtually anything is possible in terms of reconquests, even if it means to mess with Auwalt and Hrohasa at the same time (and, by extent, to drag Trinchasa into this, therefore to mess with Citimere as well). Empires expanding by conquest tend to develop some unhealthy euphoria after the first few successful strikes. ^^

Indeed, which is why I was unaware of atta also having the same meaning in Gothic - it might have gotten into Gothic by contact with Turkic tribes in Dacia and Crimea, but it could just as well be a coincidence (having to accept the possibility of the latter has already frustrated generations of linguists, and refusal to do so may result in dubious political attitudes and decisions, but that's a story for another Sunday afternoon tea ...).

Well, while Shikonjima isn't, and never has been that strict about it (regardless of nicknames like Kyou-chan we got to hear a few decades later), there's also the spirit of the time coming into play. The Shikonjimanese public already raised their eyebrows when Yoshita came up with Narantsetseg (which earned her a few nicknames, too, 'Mongol Slut' being among them), and they weren't even on worst terms with the Sharulsi as a whole - the idea, that a Yamura might end up with nobody lesser than the Princess of Teressien, a country many Shikonjimanese at the time would have had trouble to find on the map already, would certainly raise a few eyebrows more. Shikonjimanese nationalism wasn't as strong in the 1940s as it would become one to two decades later, but it was already there. On the other hand, Shikonjimanese Royalty has, in and of itself, always been pretty relaxed about that - plus, Shintarou-Shogun wasn't the youngest anymore, and his health conditions left a lot to desire already, so he quite did want to see his children settled and his lineage's continuity granted, come hell or high water.
It's all still quite hypothetical, though. We'll see where that's going. ^^

Hmm ... I've now spent some thinking about how the Citimerese-Trinchasan relations chould have developed in that time, and your thoughts would be interesting to hear - I've let real-life history inspire me a bit (mostly because I've read up about it again a while back). As you might know better than me, in 1933/34, Engelbert Dollfuß and Kurt Schuschnigg established the Federal State of Austria, a corporate/clerical fascist system inspired by Mussolini's Italy, which they hoped to win as an ally which wouldn't question Austria's sovereignty. Italy, however, decided to invade Abyssinia/Ethiopia in late 1935, upon which it ended up isolated from the Western Allies and dragged into an alliance with Nazi Germany as a result. When the Nazis realized, that Italy, suddenly reliant on good terms with Berlin, would be very unlikely to throw itself in to protect Austria, the way for the Anschluss was paved.
I could imagine a similar shift in foreign politics with Trinchasa. They might have spent all the time until maybe the mid-1930s on more or less good terms with Citimere and Hrohasa, at least good enough to not question its role as a transit country between Citimere and Menyz. They might already have had some kind of system similar to Ahuan Fascism, but up to that point, they kept it low-profile in order to not mess with their more democratic neighbors. But at some point, possibly with Ahua invading Menyz, Trinchasa might opt for recognizing the Ahuan claims, which would quickly isolate it from Citimere and Hrohasa (and to an extent, Citimere's friends like Imperial Carlotina), turn the relations to them from chilly to frosty in no time, and results in them openly siding with Ahua.
Does that sound like a plan? (Or even like anything remotely logical ...? You know my chaotic thought processes ... ^^)

No problem! ^^

[The Selkie]

The coal is already there:

Coal deposits are found from Barschenberg and Clunia in Teressien, in the nearby city-states of Juva and Ennia and in neighbouring regions of Mandanda.

Granted, that is not directly North-Western Mandanda, but close enough. ; )
As for the iron ore, would you terribly mind, if we move that more towards Ungola in the east? That way, it wouldn't be all bunched up in the north-west, ready to be taken when the Ahuans decide, that the 'Mandys' (maybe we could introduce that as a slang term for Mandandans?) are a bit too pesky for their liking.
Also, you might have noticed in Teressien a little city in the north east by the name of Galik. I had the idea, that maybe this city was originally Mandandan, but in some war or the other a century or two back, it fell to Teressien and remained there. Would that be agreeable with you?

Okay, thanks for reminding me : )

For the iron ore, no problem, let's move it in the east near Ungola.
The Mandys sounds like a really good nicknames, let's keep it ; )

For Galik though, I don't know for sure right now. On the right side, it sounds like a good idea, but on the other side, I feel that it is going to create some sort of unnecesary substory, and I'm not a big fan of those.
I'll think about it for a bit if you don't mind, and I'll tell you later my choice.

You're welcome.

Iron near Ungola and Mandys as people, got it. ; )

Think about it as long as you need. We don't even have to make it a huge subplot, unless there are Mandys with pent up irredentism around. I think, that it will end up on a page in the Wikia and that's about it.

Actually, Menyz is part of that Terra Irredente, so it is on the conquering list anyway. ; ) I also have a plan already as to how who will fight whom when as things go down in 1941. Trinchasa will be quite important for that, not only due to the oil route to Citimere.

Atta indeed seems to mean father in many turkic languages - it is also used as a given name. And it is one suspected origin of the name of Attila the Hun (a.k.a. Etzel, as far as the Niebelungenlied is concerned).

Emilia does have a bit of a hard standing, mainly due to her own nobility not being too keen on following "a child playing dress-up." Add in Teressian conservatism, where women have a number of duties, none of them being engaging openly in politics... A marriage into another powerful family could only increase her standing...
That is for the future to consider. I was hoping, that we could develop this far enough to be able to host a ball in 1945 or something, but that is still all misty and foggy. ; )

Well, Hrohasa, Menyz and Citimere would have to coordinate and arrange a plan, when push comes to shove, and could envelope Trinchasa in a three-front war rather quickly, if all goes according to their plan. What Ahua plans, though, and if they manage it, and how it will affect the course of the war, that is another question I already have an idea about.
One thing is for certain: Of the three, Menyz is the smallest threat to Ahuan ambitions.

As for the resources, thanks. : D

That's what I mean - after snacking Aib and Menyz, maybe even Rora and Bargs, they could get to the idea, that virtually anything is possible in terms of reconquests, even if it means to mess with Auwalt and Hrohasa at the same time (and, by extent, to drag Trinchasa into this, therefore to mess with Citimere as well). Empires expanding by conquest tend to develop some unhealthy euphoria after the first few successful strikes. ^^

Indeed, which is why I was unaware of atta also having the same meaning in Gothic - it might have gotten into Gothic by contact with Turkic tribes in Dacia and Crimea, but it could just as well be a coincidence (having to accept the possibility of the latter has already frustrated generations of linguists, and refusal to do so may result in dubious political attitudes and decisions, but that's a story for another Sunday afternoon tea ...).

Well, while Shikonjima isn't, and never has been that strict about it (regardless of nicknames like Kyou-chan we got to hear a few decades later), there's also the spirit of the time coming into play. The Shikonjimanese public already raised their eyebrows when Yoshita came up with Narantsetseg (which earned her a few nicknames, too, 'Mongol Slut' being among them), and they weren't even on worst terms with the Sharulsi as a whole - the idea, that a Yamura might end up with nobody lesser than the Princess of Teressien, a country many Shikonjimanese at the time would have had trouble to find on the map already, would certainly raise a few eyebrows more. Shikonjimanese nationalism wasn't as strong in the 1940s as it would become one to two decades later, but it was already there. On the other hand, Shikonjimanese Royalty has, in and of itself, always been pretty relaxed about that - plus, Shintarou-Shogun wasn't the youngest anymore, and his health conditions left a lot to desire already, so he quite did want to see his children settled and his lineage's continuity granted, come hell or high water.
It's all still quite hypothetical, though. We'll see where that's going. ^^

Hmm ... I've now spent some thinking about how the Citimerese-Trinchasan relations chould have developed in that time, and your thoughts would be interesting to hear - I've let real-life history inspire me a bit (mostly because I've read up about it again a while back). As you might know better than me, in 1933/34, Engelbert Dollfuß and Kurt Schuschnigg established the Federal State of Austria, a corporate/clerical fascist system inspired by Mussolini's Italy, which they hoped to win as an ally which wouldn't question Austria's sovereignty. Italy, however, decided to invade Abyssinia/Ethiopia in late 1935, upon which it ended up isolated from the Western Allies and dragged into an alliance with Nazi Germany as a result. When the Nazis realized, that Italy, suddenly reliant on good terms with Berlin, would be very unlikely to throw itself in to protect Austria, the way for the Anschluss was paved.
I could imagine a similar shift in foreign politics with Trinchasa. They might have spent all the time until maybe the mid-1930s on more or less good terms with Citimere and Hrohasa, at least good enough to not question its role as a transit country between Citimere and Menyz. They might already have had some kind of system similar to Ahuan Fascism, but up to that point, they kept it low-profile in order to not mess with their more democratic neighbors. But at some point, possibly with Ahua invading Menyz, Trinchasa might opt for recognizing the Ahuan claims, which would quickly isolate it from Citimere and Hrohasa (and to an extent, Citimere's friends like Imperial Carlotina), turn the relations to them from chilly to frosty in no time, and results in them openly siding with Ahua.
Does that sound like a plan? (Or even like anything remotely logical ...? You know my chaotic thought processes ... ^^)

No problem! ^^

We know that song and dance, don't we? ; )
But yeah, while there is terra irredente with Auwalt, Auwalt (and with it Teressien, alliances and such) is more for the late game. Auwalt are the people with the largest dong in the general area.

To be quite honest, my general opinion on matters relating language research is, that I am a historian. I usually leave that to those, who know that stuff and quote their works if I ever need them. ; )

That would all certainly make for a volatile, interesting mixture... we'll see, where we will end up.

I know your thought process and I think, that it sounds like a good idea. If I adopt it (and the chances are not low, if I am honest), then I might tweak it a bit here and there, but in general things will remain like that (and you will be credited ; )). Let me think about the details!

[Carlotina]

We know that song and dance, don't we? ; )
But yeah, while there is terra irredente with Auwalt, Auwalt (and with it Teressien, alliances and such) is more for the late game. Auwalt are the people with the largest dong in the general area.

To be quite honest, my general opinion on matters relating language research is, that I am a historian. I usually leave that to those, who know that stuff and quote their works if I ever need them. ; )

That would all certainly make for a volatile, interesting mixture... we'll see, where we will end up.

I know your thought process and I think, that it sounds like a good idea. If I adopt it (and the chances are not low, if I am honest), then I might tweak it a bit here and there, but in general things will remain like that (and you will be credited ; )). Let me think about the details!

It's been around for a while, indeed. ^^
And yeah, Auwalt might keep watching the show for some time, until they might feel in a strong need to do something. Might as well be the one big showdown, but there's yet a lot of time until we get there - first things come first.

Reading the comments underneath linked article, there are quite a few people who should follow that example ... ^^

In case of doubt, it will end up in chaos and confusion. Like this is anything completely unknown to us, eh? ^^

Good to hear, that it makes any sense! ^^ Of course, it'll require a lot of thinking - and we haven't even mentioned Frijawa as of yet, where developments could be similar, or also completely different. I've focussed on Trinchasa in my last post, for they are in a slightly different situation in geographical terms (and might be influenced by Mandanda, possibly?). Take your time!

[Mervay]

So I said this idea to Selkie in the SEA RMB but I would like to hear out your opinion on it; I was thinking that Mervay will go the appeasment route until an Ahuan Submarine sinks a Mervayan Cruise Liner in an scenario similar to the sinking of the Lusitania and push Mervay into the war entirely after trying to appease the enemy and see if they could make sure their lines around the area weren't harmed and could keep the flow of commerce going until the government found the perfect excuse in the sinking of the ship to then bring the Mervayan Naval and Ground Power to the table. What do you all think??

[Astares Amauricanum]

So I said this idea to Selkie in the SEA RMB but I would like to hear out your opinion on it; I was thinking that Mervay will go the appeasment route until an Ahuan Submarine sinks a Mervayan Cruise Liner in an scenario similar to the sinking of the Lusitania and push Mervay into the war entirely after trying to appease the enemy and see if they could make sure their lines around the area weren't harmed and could keep the flow of commerce going until the government found the perfect excuse in the sinking of the ship to then bring the Mervayan Naval and Ground Power to the table. What do you all think??

Seems good to me, it was after all the same excuse that Astares used in 1915 to join the war in Europe alongside the Entente.

Also everyone, exams in one week from now, so I'll be unavailable for that time.

[The Selkie]

So I said this idea to Selkie in the SEA RMB but I would like to hear out your opinion on it; I was thinking that Mervay will go the appeasment route until an Ahuan Submarine sinks a Mervayan Cruise Liner in an scenario similar to the sinking of the Lusitania and push Mervay into the war entirely after trying to appease the enemy and see if they could make sure their lines around the area weren't harmed and could keep the flow of commerce going until the government found the perfect excuse in the sinking of the ship to then bring the Mervayan Naval and Ground Power to the table. What do you all think??

I don't mind either.
In fact, I have an idea in addition to that: The cruise liner is sunk by an Ahuan Submarine, but the Ahuans don't take the blame. Instead, they suggest, that it was the liner's Captain's fault (he should know, that there is a war going on), but maintain vehemently, that they didn't sink the vessel. Everyone points at them and goes "Liar, liar, pants on fire" and Mervay enters the war with evidence supplied by a naval intelligence service in their hands (supplied behind their backs, of course).
What do you think?

[Mervay]

Seems good to me, it was after all the same excuse that Astares used in 1915 to join the war in Europe alongside the Entente.

Also everyone, exams in one week from now, so I'll be unavailable for that time.

Yup, we certainly need to, other option was to attack the Chancellor (Foreign Minister), but too far dangerous for the enemy to unless it went like what happened in WW1.

And don't worry, take your time.

I don't mind either.
In fact, I have an idea in addition to that: The cruise liner is sunk by an Ahuan Submarine, but the Ahuans don't take the blame. Instead, they suggest, that it was the liner's Captain's fault (he should know, that there is a war going on), but maintain vehemently, that they didn't sink the vessel. Everyone points at them and goes "Liar, liar, pants on fire" and Mervay enters the war with evidence supplied by a naval intelligence service in their hands (supplied behind their backs, of course).
What do you think?

That would certainly be a great addition, plus the ship was neutral as Mervay wasn't involved in the war so they shouldn't had attacked it as the ship was en route to Auwalt but had to pass through Ahuan Waters and their occupied territories. Plus the fact they deny they sunk the vessel will only light up the rage of Mervay and force the government to act and if it doesn't, it will only collapse under pressure from the crown and the population forcing an new administration to take the new war government. All the while the crown orders all intelligence organizations from the nation to search for proofs before they can push for war.