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New Civilizations III ( OOC, Always Open )

Postby Joohan » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:04 pm

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--New Civilizations--




Joohan, G-Tech Corporation
Welcome to the 3rd Era...






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-Introductions-
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You're an old soul in a new world. You are given no explanation - no cause of knowing how you arrived here - nor reason for being here. You don't know where or when you have landed. You are alone, you are naked, and no one is looking for you.You have come just in time to witness the end of humanities blank slate: the time before history and civilization. Man is finally beginning to understand his real power, and will soon understand his place in the world. You, are the product his quest for knowledge and mastery over the Earth. You have seen the culmination of 5,000 years labor, before miraculously being sent back to the beginning of it all. No reason was given to you for arriving here, so you must make the reason! Why were you sent to the beginning of time? How did you shape our journey? The history books are blank once again, and you - you shall be it's author!

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Welcome to New Civilizations! A game, which sends you, either your literal self, or a person very like yourself, back 5,000 years into the past - the dawn of history, and civilization! You've no explanation of how you arrived, or even why you are here. Not only has the world changed around you, but you have changed as well! From the day you arrive in the past, forever onward, you will not age. You've become a timeless immortal! What is more, you are able to, unconsciously and instinctively, understand and speak every language you come into contact with! Your body has become immune to receiving or transmuting disease - though you are still able to be killed by other unnatural means. Sent to the past, as a timeless and neigh immortal, you are free to shape history and mankind's journey over the millennia as you see fit - restrained only by your reason, your means, and ( of course ) other authors. Typically though, you are expected to fashion some kind of civilization or culture - though this is an ultimate sandbox game. New Civilizations is one of the oldest and most successful Role Play games in the history of NationStates.net, with the very first iteration having been made all the way back in 2016! In joining our ranks as a fellow Author of mankind's new history, you shall count yourself among some of the most accomplished and imaginative members of the role playing community! We're always open, to new and old players alike!




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-Rules and Expectations-
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1.General NS rules
2. You may not post your author profile to the author list until you have been accepted by either I or G-tech.
3. Your Author cannot be someone who just happens to be perfectly suited for the time period. You can't be an expert in metallurgy, blacksmithing, masonry, and carpentry. Your Author should be an otherwise normal person with normal skills. It is preferred that your Author resemble you as much as possible ( be yourself if you want ), but it is not required.
4. The people of the year 2,970 B.C., are not stupid - or even that ignorant. They are, in their own way, usually just as logical and reasonable as you are now - you crafting some bronze and making a shovel isn't going to make people think you are a god. What is more, these people aren't going to make you chief of their village simply because you killed the old chief in a fight. That'd be unreasonable today, it'd be unreasonable then. Treat the NPC's like they were actual human beings with fully functioning brains.
5. You arrive in this world naked - literally. You come in with nothing.
6. There is no set rule for time skips. At opportune moments in the story, I will do a small global skip 5 years into the future. Every participant will be warned ahead of time of when this skip will happen. Prior to these skips, try not to jump more than a few years ahead in your characters development.
7. You are free to write the reactions of NPC's as you see fit. On occasion, I or a CO-OP might intervene simply to make the story more interesting. You are limited in reacting for the NPC's of another Author's civilization by what that particular Author will permit ( if allowing you to react on their behalf at all ).
8. You will arrive in this world, after having awoken from sleep.
9. Your Author should not just instantly be cool with their situation; some kind of panic should be expected.
10. Skills listed in your Author Profile should be specific, relevant to your current situation, and things to which you posses a degree expertise at. You actually must be an expert at the skill which you list, in order to declare that you have it.
11. Do not list any of the following as a skill: historical knowledge, oration, charisma, leadership, military tactics - ( In regards to military tactics, you must be specific in what you mean, in listing exactly what strategy you posses an expertise in. Armchair knowledge is not an acceptable answer, and only real world experience is regarded ).
12. You may not be given admin rights to the, New World History Book, until your Author has actively participated in New Civilizations for at minimum of two time skips.
13. During a debate or point of contention, any statement dropped by the OP which is highlighted as **** Example Text ****, is to be regarded as the final and absolute statement on the matter - no further debate being permitted upon that particular subject.



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[size=200][i][b]Author Applicaiton[/b][/i][/size]
[b]Name:[/b]
[b]Age:[/b]
[b]Height and Weight:[/b]
[b]Skin, hair, and eye description:[/b]
[b]( Optional ) Picture:[/b]

[b]Prior Profession:[/b]
[b]Level of education ( specify degrees or note worthy classes ):[/b]
[b]Physique description:[/b]
[b]Useful skills:[/b]

[b]National Origin:[/b]
[b]What were you doing prior to falling asleep and awakening in the past?:[/b]
[b]Description of personality:[/b]
[b]Where in the world are you landing?:[/b]

[b]Autobiography/Biography ( paragraph minimum ):[/b]

[b]Writing Sample:[/b]


( Optional on down)
[b]What are your intentions for this RP, what's the long term goal?:[/b]
[b]What people or places are you taking inspiration from?:[/b]
[b]Why did you chose to land where you did?:[/b]
[b]What vibe should we get from your civilization and it's culture?:[/b]
[b]What are your character's motivations?:[/b]
[b]Theme Song?:[/b]
[b]What do you wanna see in this RP? What would make it better?:[/b]
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Postby Joohan » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:10 pm

-FAQ-

Era is just how many OOC's we've had during this particular iteration. Each new era usually comes with some big rules overhaul, or some new changes in gameplay. Don't think too much into it.


A big question which often plagues early and mid game authors is how fast technology should progress, and what kinds of technologies would be available to them. You are free to explore off in any direction you want to, technology wise, but you should probably keep some things in mind.

1. If you personally do not know how to do this thing right now IRL, your author won't either.

2. You are starting out from as scratch as literally possible. You are coming into a world naked, during a time were writing and numeracy are practically unknown to anyone outside of other Author civilizations. Very basic laws and concepts of science and the world have not been invented yet, and are likely unknown to the average person. Most places are still using stone tools, and others are just beginning to use copper. The people of this era may be as rational and logical as you are, but that isn't to say that they have access to any specialty tools or knowledge. You will pretty much have to reinvent all the basic concepts of science

3. You are constrained by your resources. If you wanna make bronze, but the area you live in doesn't have any tin - well then you're out of luck.

4. You can learn new knowledge and skills in the IC, it just takes time. Say you wanted to demonstrate your Author's ever growing affinity with carpentry, then you should show them, over a series of multiple posts, experimenting and figuring out the skills needed to be a carpenter. This goes with pretty much everything: blacksmithing, chemistry, tactics, medicine, sailing, etc.

5. If you aren't sure about the feasibility of something, just ask Either myself, G-tech, or post it up in the OOC. You will get helpful feedback and advice from your fellow Authors. Don't try and just fake it - you will be found out eventually, and may be asked to retcon your actions.


There are some pretty common inventions put forth by authors, things which seem ubiquitous to rising civilizations, like iron, steel, irrigation, etc. Here is a rough timeline of how long someone pursuing said invention could be expected before happening upon it ( Given resources, pursuit, and IC posts detailing it's gradual discovery ). Exceptions do exist though, such as landing in an area were it is known historically that said knowledge existed during this time, or your Author has unique knowledge in said field.

Irrigation - 1 year
Bronze - 5 years
Iron - 10 years
Steel - 15 years
Gunpowder - 20 years
Blue Sea Sailing - 10 years
Horse Domestication - 5 years
Soap distillation - 3 years
The water wheel- 3 years
Charcoal - 1 year


History is just a record of the actions of man, and culture is just a man's history remembered. Civilization isn't some arbitrary numerical measurement of a people, it's subjective. What kind of society do you want to build? What actions will propel the people around you towards that goal? What obstacles must you overcome? There is no objective way for a civlization to form, you've just got to figure it out on your own. Look to other Author's for examples if need inspiration.


A lot like regular non-civilized natives do - except a whole lot tougher. These guys aren't barbarians with clubs, these are civilized early nation's in their own right, with developed cultures, political systems, and reasonably advanced technology. Uncivilized peoples are pretty easy to conquer or convince to join your civ, by NPC civ's are a very different story. Your interactions with them will largely be left for you to write out in the IC - with occasional intervention perhaps from either myself for G-tech.


Eh, that depends. 1. How long were you gone in relation to the IC, 2. Are you still active.

For the first, if you were only gone for say, a single timeskip, and nothing significant happened to your civilization since you've been away, you'll be free to retake command of your old civ. If you were gone for longer, or something significant has happened to your civ, you may be asked to start again somewhere else in the world.

For the second, if you are gone, and your account goes inactive - your author is just presumed dead


Short Answer: Not Europe

Long Answer: Depends. If you are story centric, and don't mind being on your lonesome for a long while, you should probably pick an area far away from any other Author Civ. There, you will have time to explore your own culture, free from having to worry about others interfering with your long term plans.

If you want to interact with others though, and desire rapid technological growth, I would suggest either East Asia, the mideast, or the red sea region. Those places have other authors, and they're not typically as murderous as the Europeans are.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:15 pm

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Postby Endem » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:27 pm

I love the fact the map doesn't show Author nations and that it's just a map
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Postby Joohan » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:47 pm

Endem wrote:I love the fact the map doesn't show Author nations and that it's just a map


Hey, that's the pretty map. Pretty map takes, A LOT, of effort to edit and make look nice. We're still waiting for everyone to send in their map applications, so i'm not going to edit it just yet.
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Postby Joohan » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:49 pm

With that in mind.

Moratorium on IC posts please, till the 9th. This just so that new authors can come in to a 2970 with no big nonsense happening right away.

Still getting that NPC states list up.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:23 pm

Joohan wrote:This just so that new authors can come in to a 2970 with no big nonsense happening right away.


* The Imperium building a space ship and colonizing Mars.
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Postby Saxony-Brandenburg » Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:34 pm

But seriously- who wants to live forever?

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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:49 pm

Saxony-Brandenburg wrote:But seriously- who wants to live forever?


All of the Chinese Emperors who died drinking mercury.
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Postby Orostan » Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:35 am

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Saxony-Brandenburg wrote:But seriously- who wants to live forever?


All of the Chinese Emperors who died drinking mercury.

There is only one Emperor. There will only ever be one Emperor. We have always been at war with the Imperium.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:18 am

I have some more specific comments to make once I have time; but I should generically note that the invention times seem extraordinarily optimistic. Most modern people won’t have a clue where to start on things like saponification begin - washing clothes downriver of cremation.
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Postby Orostan » Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:19 am

I posted some stuff about social conflict and developing schools of thought in China right now. I will be using each of them for different things and have quite a bit of stuff planned out for later for some of them.


G-Tech Corporation wrote:I have some more specific comments to make once I have time; but I should generically note that the invention times seem extraordinarily optimistic. Most modern people won’t have a clue where to start on things like saponification begin - washing clothes downriver of cremation.

Is it reasonable to say that we'd be producing more technology by trying to get to technology we know something about?
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Postby UniversalCommons » Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:33 am

I have a question about how technology transfer might work or knowledge transfer. One of the things which we do when integrate a new region or help in conquering a new region, we would collect or copy all the information which we could get our hands on. This was traditional among conquerors. You would carry off the enemies library. The specific area where we would be looking for knowledge would be Eanna, one of the first places where writing was beginning around 3100 b.c. There might have been about 15-20 years of technological change before we reached Eanna. This would be early writing. There were supposed to be some 5000 tablets found in Uruk around Eanna. These would have been copied onto papyrus or rag paper and translated over a 5 year period. This would also include interviewing scholars and craftsmen. Things like formulas, recipes, gardening, seeds, medicine, etc.

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Postby Empire of Techkotal » Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:02 am

So I did post now and I hope nobody has a problem with it. If it would be possibel I would like to get feedback though you don't have to.

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Empire of Techkotal wrote:So I did post now and I hope nobody has a problem with it. If it would be possibel I would like to get feedback though you don't have to.

Where are you landing? I don’t think it’s realistic for metal clubs to be a thing or merchants and slave ships being around unless you’re pretty close to a civilized area. Other than the post was good but I think autocorrect or writing on mobile may have fucked some of it up.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN


Sagarmatha wrote:You have a corporatist brain. "It's more faster so it's better". Profit, profit, profit my dear Neoliberal, never forget why you exist. Profit, profit, profit.


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Postby Empire of Techkotal » Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:49 am

Corinth or southern Greece so near the Nestos league. And metal clubs wont be a problem as copper was already used before 3000 BC, that's only the start of the Bronze age. Ships shouldn't be that much of a problem Nestos has some, its neigboors probably too and there were already small coastal ships. The thing is you do underestimate the rade during that time. While metals were rare they traded with pottery and other goods already a long time. I did position the hut of the man a little bit further away from the rest to let you see that it's probably the chief (thats why he had more clothing and a metall club, because he is the only person there that could afford it).
About the text itself well there was no autocorrect involved. I was just to lazzy to go over the text again, some mistakes might come from google translate and the grammar well, that is might be ufcked up for you, but in my eyes it makes sense. Why? It's a common thing actually for Germans to write in english and mix their own grammar into it.
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Postby Orostan » Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:07 pm

Empire of Techkotal wrote:Corinth or southern Greece so near the Nestos league. And metal clubs wont be a problem as copper was already used before 3000 BC, that's only the start of the Bronze age. Ships shouldn't be that much of a problem Nestos has some, its neigboors probably too and there were already small coastal ships. The thing is you do underestimate the rade during that time. While metals were rare they traded with pottery and other goods already a long time. I did position the hut of the man a little bit further away from the rest to let you see that it's probably the chief (thats why he had more clothing and a metall club, because he is the only person there that could afford it).
About the text itself well there was no autocorrect involved. I was just to lazzy to go over the text again, some mistakes might come from google translate and the grammar well, that is might be ufcked up for you, but in my eyes it makes sense. Why? It's a common thing actually for Germans to write in english and mix their own grammar into it.

eh whatever

I don’t know if nestos does slavery or if a metal club is even practical. Maybe he should have a bronze spear instead.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN


Sagarmatha wrote:You have a corporatist brain. "It's more faster so it's better". Profit, profit, profit my dear Neoliberal, never forget why you exist. Profit, profit, profit.


Orostan wrote:you have posted cringe, your workers are going to unionize and kill you.

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Postby The Hierophancy » Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:12 pm

Third times the charm. Hopefully more free time and a more interaction-prone landing point'll be helpful in keeping up the motivation, if y'all will have me again. WIP
Author Application
Name: David McClure
Age: 18
Height and Weight: 6 foot, 200 pounds
Skin, hair, and eye description: Tan olive-ish skin. Dark brown / black hair, long and a little bit wavy. Squinty amber eyes. Very sad, patchy beard on the occasions he's tried to grow it out.
( Optional ) Picture:

Prior Profession: University student, philosophy book sellers assistant
Level of education ( specify degrees or note worthy classes ): Highschool diploma - AP chem might be useful
Physique description: Not exactly active, but blessed with sufficient strength and endurance not to embarrass himself. Awful runner and generally terrible endurance when it comes to anything involving his poor, poor lungs, but pretty good at lifting relatively heavy stuff up, walking it around and then putting it back down somewhere else. A decent walker / hiker, 8 - 10 mile walks or hikes every week or two. Thick neck, broad shoulders, big legs and something of a belly. Big, Greek nose.
Useful skills: His knowledge is broad and shallow. Not much of an "expert" at anything.

National Origin: America
What were you doing prior to falling asleep and awakening in the past?: Writing an essay, probably
Description of personality: Pretty introverted and rarely initiates a conversation or relationship, though he still enjoys an interesting conversation or heated argument. Not a fan of small talk. Pretty lazy and a massive procrastinator, but gets bored easily and always looking for something interesting to do. Something of an idealist and a convicted humanist - thinks almost everybody is fundamentally good and is generally averse to causing harm, even when furious.
Where in the world are you landing?: Oikia, Gipuzkoa Spain

Autobiography/Biography ( paragraph minimum ): Born and raised in Fairfield County Connecticut, up 'till moving to Upstate New York for University for the 2020 fall semester. His family was loving and well enough off if pretty dysfunctional and, in the end, broken up. Got relatively good grades, despite his best efforts, and got into a pretty good school where he hopes to reform his slothful ways in, at the very least, the field of academics. Putting the aversion to actual work aside, David's always loved the actual learning bit of scholarship and - occasionally - the application of that knowledge, though not generally in the form of homework sheets.
Since he was a child, he's enjoyed reading about - and trying to do - new things, the latter generally not producing particularly useful results, but being enjoyable nonetheless. He took a liking to the visual arts from a very young age, and though others have claimed he's a passable - or even good - artist, he hates nearly everything he draws or sculpts, though that hasn't stopped him from trying at it regularly his entire life. In middle school he took an interest to sewing and cooking, both of which ended up on much the same path as his art "career" - often practiced and much loved but lacking in results. Over a few summers he tried his hand at fencing and rugby, having fun with both, but didn't feel competent enough to take it any further than that.
Prior to COVID-19 he worked as the general assistant to a seller of antique philosophy books, helping with inventory, sales, picture-taking, fetching coffee, and whatever else needed doing. Learned some stuff about the business and subject matter while doing so. He got to flip through an original copy of de Magnete, which was without doubt the oldest thing he's ever held, barring rocks. Spent most of the summer prior to leaving for college volunteering at a food pantry, moving boxes around. University's so far proven rainier, calmer and more stimulating than high school - he's taking classes in anthropology, history and philosophy. Overall, his life's been pretty uneventful, though he did go to Iceland once, which was pretty cool.
Writing Sample: WIP


( Optional on down)
What are your intentions for this RP, what's the long term goal?: Have a decent life, go home. Help out my neighbors. Going to try and focus on the short term so I don't get too distracted thinking about my "ultimate" goal society and end up uninterested in writing about my landings near aftermath and the actual path to that point, which is what happened the last two times I've tried getting into the RP.
What people or places are you taking inspiration from?: Kropotkin, maybe, since I've been reading Conquest of Bread.
Why did you chose to land where you did?: Basques are basically the only Pre-Indo-European culture of Europe we (or at least I) know a decent amount about, and all the Indo-European-esque states popping up bum me out.
What vibe should we get from your civilization and it's culture?:
What are your character's motivations?: Live comfortably and help my fellows live comfortably. Perhaps that'll change soon enough.
Theme Song?:
What do you wanna see in this RP? What would make it better?:

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Postby UniversalCommons » Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:54 pm

We use a studded two handed club with bronze or iron studs. It is modeled after the kanabo club of the Japanese. A hit with one of these will break a horses legs or give a man with a helmet a concussion in the right hands. With a little strength training, it can be fearsome. I've thought of creating a game like baseball with it....
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Postby Empire of Techkotal » Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:59 pm

Orostan wrote:
Empire of Techkotal wrote:Corinth or southern Greece so near the Nestos league. And metal clubs wont be a problem as copper was already used before 3000 BC, that's only the start of the Bronze age. Ships shouldn't be that much of a problem Nestos has some, its neigboors probably too and there were already small coastal ships. The thing is you do underestimate the rade during that time. While metals were rare they traded with pottery and other goods already a long time. I did position the hut of the man a little bit further away from the rest to let you see that it's probably the chief (thats why he had more clothing and a metall club, because he is the only person there that could afford it).
About the text itself well there was no autocorrect involved. I was just to lazzy to go over the text again, some mistakes might come from google translate and the grammar well, that is might be ufcked up for you, but in my eyes it makes sense. Why? It's a common thing actually for Germans to write in english and mix their own grammar into it.

eh whatever

I don’t know if nestos does slavery or if a metal club is even practical. Maybe he should have a bronze spear instead.


Not sure if I even mentioned slaves directly. I did mention something in that category, but I also didn't mean that it was a ship from Nestos. It shouldn't be to uncommon for small ships to exist right now. I mean you have to think about how they look like (probably not larger then a small barke). Then of course you should still think about the impact you yourself made. All of you changed this world in a significant way. Many already more stable and odler societys should be able to pick the technologys up. Through the new technologys and most of your Civs becoming major forces in their region you are effectivly pushing all around you into larger formations to protect themselves or to adopt you style. There would probably be hundreds of fishing villages and dozens of towns at the coast of the Balkans, Greece and the Black sea. Many of them would probably start trading in boats and small crude ships. Some of them might adopt the the ability and knowledge to form objects out of metal.
Slaves on the other hand as I said,I didn't mention directly. Though you can expect them. It's common during this time to take slaves after a conflict or to directly integrate the other tribe/village/ whatever.
Though I can always change it.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:07 pm

Orostan wrote:Is it reasonable to say that we'd be producing more technology by trying to get to technology we know something about?


That's actually the axiom in the FAQ - those times are for from-first-principles production, which is why I think they are quite optimistic.

UniversalCommons wrote:I have a question about how technology transfer might work or knowledge transfer. One of the things which we do when integrate a new region or help in conquering a new region, we would collect or copy all the information which we could get our hands on. This was traditional among conquerors. You would carry off the enemies library. The specific area where we would be looking for knowledge would be Eanna, one of the first places where writing was beginning around 3100 b.c. There might have been about 15-20 years of technological change before we reached Eanna. This would be early writing. There were supposed to be some 5000 tablets found in Uruk around Eanna. These would have been copied onto papyrus or rag paper and translated over a 5 year period. This would also include interviewing scholars and craftsmen. Things like formulas, recipes, gardening, seeds, medicine, etc.


One thing to remember, which you've hit on before, is the need to filter out nonsense from useful information. This is a more difficult than you've posited, however, methinks. Your most recent IC post mentions that this is being done, but I think you overestimate the ease with which such a task can be accomplished. The easiest method is to compare two sources of information, such as Victor Spear's direct knowledge and the knowledge taken from Uruk - this method is reasonably infallible but, of course, relies on one man.

The secondary method, to simply look at the knowledge and choose what sounds correct to the observer, is much more fraught with peril. Victor Spear has allowed a hundred schools of though to flourish in Oak, which is very wise for learning in the long term, but which also means that this sort of direct analysis will be nearly impossible. What looks rational to one Scholar will be foolishness to another, and only Victor Spear can arbitrary on the matter of factual truth. But without him, that'll be quite the task.

Empire of Techkotal wrote:So I did post now and I hope nobody has a problem with it. If it would be possibel I would like to get feedback though you don't have to.


She looked good to me. I'd add to Orostan's analysis, effectively, by redacting the points he has made. Greece is directly adjacent to the Nestos League, who is probably the most open engine of technological dissemination in our entire world. Bronze spears, metal-tipped clubs, formations, political organization, trade, slavery - these are all perfectly plausible to have at least roots in the region, if not having come to full fruition.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:14 pm

Oh, just a continuation of a discussion with Joohan:

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That's the relevant link for using wells for irrigation. The same principle, of course, holds for using a well for drinking water. As far as the political solution at Nevis, frankly that was long enough ago that my memory is fuzzy. However, without an IC mention of the terms you've mentioned, or an OOC note I can find, and with some rather obvious IC arguments against that outcome, that would strike me as a term Icedonia proposed, or you proposed, but which was shot down as unworkable. The note about smuggling is similar. Without Icedonian guards patrolling the shoreline, and with, in the Imperium's mind, no legal basis for interdicting traffic outside of Nevis herself, any flow of men or weapons into the Kindreds would hardly have been impossible. Even if Icedonia turned to active interdiction, she would have provoked a war, not left the Kindreds with no defense against small, desperate raiding bands from the north.

Excepting all that - I can't see the Kindreds doing anything except despising Icedonia's inaction, even if we set aside for the moment the terms of the peace treaty and posit that you were entirely correct. A duty to defend the Kindreds such as Icedonia would have taken upon herself would hardly exclude defending them from other tribes. That dereliction of duty, if allowed by Isaac, would not only abrogate the agreement made with the Kindreds, but likely cause serious political upheavals in Icedonia. After all, failure of mutual defense obligations is oftentimes the first step towards societal collapse.
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Postby UniversalCommons » Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:47 pm

Empire of Techkotal wrote:
Orostan wrote:eh whatever

I don’t know if nestos does slavery or if a metal club is even practical. Maybe he should have a bronze spear instead.


Not sure if I even mentioned slaves directly. I did mention something in that category, but I also didn't mean that it was a ship from Nestos. It shouldn't be to uncommon for small ships to exist right now. I mean you have to think about how they look like (probably not larger then a small barke). Then of course you should still think about the impact you yourself made. All of you changed this world in a significant way. Many already more stable and odler societys should be able to pick the technologys up. Through the new technologys and most of your Civs becoming major forces in their region you are effectivly pushing all around you into larger formations to protect themselves or to adopt you style. There would probably be hundreds of fishing villages and dozens of towns at the coast of the Balkans, Greece and the Black sea. Many of them would probably start trading in boats and small crude ships. Some of them might adopt the the ability and knowledge to form objects out of metal.
Slaves on the other hand as I said,I didn't mention directly. Though you can expect them. It's common during this time to take slaves after a conflict or to directly integrate the other tribe/village/ whatever.
Though I can always change it.


We have not forced the Greeks to join us for the most part. Some are terrified of us. Our area is big enough where if we start pulling in people who really aren't with us can cause real problems. The Greeks would definitely practice slavery at this time.

We are more careful about this. There is bondage for not paying debts. This is not permanent slavery. There is also slavery for certain crimes. Bondage slaves or criminal slaves do not belong to individuals, but organizations or are part of the state. They are carefully tracked and released after a certain amount of time, their debt is paid or their sentence is finished. Raiding is considered a criminal activity so we do things like sentence people to certain kinds of activities like mining or other specific activities.

For ships, the canoe might be replaced by a simple outrigger design if you are in the Aegean. The Kraken introduced this and it has probably spread, plus there are lateen sails. A boat with a square sail would not be unheard of. There is going to be a wide variety of ocean going designs.

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