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In Ireland Subway Sandwiches are Confectionery not Bread

Postby Cetacea » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:29 am

the Irish Supreme court has ruled that the bread served at Subway Sandwich chain cannot be defined as bread instead it is a "confectionery or fancy baked good.".

Under Ireland’s Value-Added Tax Act 'staple food' gets a tax break of 0% VAT, and so a Subway franchisee brought a case claiming a tax refund due to Subway Sandwiches being a staple food.

The bread’s sugar content however is five times the qualifying limit under the act which means that Subway Sandwiches falls outside of the legal definition of a staple food and are a confectionery or fancy baked good instead.
The Ireland Supreme Court ruling said that the definition of “bread” was originally established to make a distinction between the starch in other baked goods, like cookies or cake or brownies, that are sugary and therefore not healthy enough to be considered essential foods.

Anyway half baked consumers of NSG do you agree that Subway Sandwiches are more comparable to confectionery than they are real bread meals? The differing food standards between US and the civilized world does mean that US produced food seems to be of inferior quality and taste, and directly leads to health issues. Theres this case of Subway 'bread' but also Hersheys chocolate doesnt meet the definition of Chocolate and various US versions of cheese are of dubious identity too.
So do you think US food processing uses too much sugar and other unnecessary chemical additives, does it actually qualify as food and does something need to happen about US food standards and world nutrition?

Article Link https://abcnews.go.com/International/co ... d=73358543
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:32 am

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:34 am

It's only a few years since Subway took out the chemical used to make yoga mats from their bread. Making them take out the sugar too is just being mean...
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Postby Nuroblav » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:35 am

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But seriously though I'm not sure if anyone truly cares what they get classified as, but the situation is understandable.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:38 am

Nuroblav wrote:

But seriously though I'm not sure if anyone truly cares what they get classified as, but the situation is understandable.


The taxman does. That's what this was all about, whether Subway had to pay VAT on their bread.
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Postby Number 54 » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:38 am

Does this mean that sugar free cakes are now considered bread and can be sold as a staple food?

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Postby Nuroblav » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:39 am

Fartsniffage wrote:The taxman does. That's what this was all about, whether Subway had to pay VAT on their bread.

That's why I said the situation was understandable.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:55 am

Nuroblav wrote:

But seriously though I'm not sure if anyone truly cares what they get classified as, but the situation is understandable.

if you are paying that VAT you care.


Whats amusing is the original concept of subways was to be healthier than other fast food.
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Postby Rusozak » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:56 am

So will they take out the sugar now to avoid the tax? Really, if you need to dump sugar into your bread to make it taste good you're baking bread wrong.
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Postby Heloin » Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:29 am

Yummy sugar paste to hold me ultra meat sandwich together.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:30 am

Heloin wrote:Yummy sugar paste to hold me ultra meat sandwich together.

Bold of you to assume those cold cuts are meat.
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Postby Heloin » Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:39 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Heloin wrote:Yummy sugar paste to hold me ultra meat sandwich together.

Bold of you to assume those cold cuts are meat.

Ultra meat may or may not contain real meat.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:51 am

100% too much sugar in most US "bread". I feel like white bread especially is more like brioche than traditional bread. Some brown is not so bad but I'm kind of used to sub standard foodstuffs in the US when I go out there now. Part of the experience :lol:
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:53 am

Heloin wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Bold of you to assume those cold cuts are meat.

Ultra meat may or may not contain real meat.

Point taken, carry on.
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Postby Ellbonnia » Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:57 am

If it was any company other than Subway, I might feel like there was an injustice committed here, but I just read this article and laugh at the sheer absurdity of the kinds of ingredients they use in their supposedly "healthy" food that would warrant this controversy.
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Postby Chestaan » Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:57 am

Not a fan of VAT or sales taxes in general because of their regressive nature but if we have to have VAT then I agree that Subway should be excluded from the 0% rate.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:02 am

Number 54 wrote:Does this mean that sugar free cakes are now considered bread and can be sold as a staple food?


Probably not because the 0% band says "savory products". Given a cake is a sweet food whatever you replace the sugar with won't satisfy them being savory.
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Postby Page » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:07 am

Find me one person who eats Subway bread as dessert.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:15 am

Things that are bad for you are generally among the best in taste. Marvellous how Subway have subverted things by being unhealthy AND bland. The perfect choice for the discerning taste-agnostic who is looking for a long-term suicide plan.
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Postby Ellbonnia » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:17 am

Page wrote:Find me one person who eats Subway bread as dessert.


You don't???
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:21 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Things that are bad for you are generally among the best in taste. Marvellous how Subway have subverted things by being unhealthy AND bland.

It does take some talent, yes.
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Postby Sodoran Alesia » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:26 am

Page wrote:Find me one person who eats Subway bread as dessert.

Find me one person who willingly eats Subway. They sell overpriced garbage, I only go there if it's my last resort and I'm super hungry and don't care what I eat.

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Postby Nuroblav » Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:36 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Things that are bad for you are generally among the best in taste. Marvellous how Subway have subverted things by being unhealthy AND bland. The perfect choice for the discerning taste-agnostic who is looking for a long-term suicide plan.

Not gonna lie, my problem with Subway doesn't lie with the food itself. I think it's nice that they offer a variety, especially coming from someone whose food preference is admittedly narrow. Au contraire, my problem is mainly how cold everything comes across in terms of marketing. Not the most appealing of design at all.
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