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Postby Minoa » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:11 am

Hey guys,

I wish to enquire what plans or changes are there in store for Z-Day9 (the Zombie Apocalypse) this year.

I ask this because the world is still combatting the spread of COVID-19, and since the Zombie Apocalypse involves viruses, some may see it as inappropriate due to the impact of COVID-19 on everything. I am aware that it is currently not possible to opt out of the Zombie Apocalypse, which may alarm users using NationStates to get away from COVID-19 drama.

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Postby Lillorainen » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:19 am

Oii,
funnily enough, I've already thought about this, too, but much rather along the lines of, "That's gonna be fun, with all the nations who haven't managed to develop a vaccine against COVID-19 in months, but don't seem to have trouble developing a dezombifier within a couple of hours!" ^^ But then again, that's probably my sense of humor ... so yeah, it would be interesting to know, if the current crisis has any impact on how Z-Day will take place, or if it will do so in the first place.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:23 am

Minoa wrote:Hey guys,

I wish to enquire what plans or changes are there in store for Z-Day9 (the Zombie Apocalypse) this year.

I ask this because the world is still combatting the spread of COVID-19, and since the Zombie Apocalypse involves viruses, some may see it as inappropriate due to the impact of COVID-19 on everything. I am aware that it is currently not possible to opt out of the Zombie Apocalypse, which may alarm users using NationStates to get away from COVID-19 drama.

-- Minoa

Does it though? I don't think it has been officially said as part of NS lore that it involves a virus. It could be bacteria, a fungus, etc.
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Postby The Unified Missourtama States » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:26 am

The New California Republic wrote:Does it though? I don't think it has been officially said as part of NS lore that it involves a virus. It could be bacteria, a fungus, etc.

Wow! thanks next time I'm dying of an infection I'll check.

So what, it's still a disease spreading around the world.
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Postby Libertalonia » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:28 am

wait when is Z day again?
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Postby Platinia » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:30 am

seems like quite a few of us have been wondering about the outcome of Z-Day in light of the current real world events. Personally I hope it will not be affected but I can understand the reasons why it may, as to not upset those who have been affected by it in any way.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:33 am

The Unified Missourtama States wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Does it though? I don't think it has been officially said as part of NS lore that it involves a virus. It could be bacteria, a fungus, etc.

Wow! thanks next time I'm dying of an infection I'll check.

So what, it's still a disease spreading around the world.

Odd response to what I said, but alright.
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Postby Gandoor » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:37 am

Why not just ignore it then?
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Postby Merni » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:40 am

Because, unlike N-day, it isn't an opt-in event. Your nation is pretty much dragged into it. And if you don't take action you may be hurting your region's efforts as well (if they care about Z-day).
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Postby Lillorainen » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:43 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The Unified Missourtama States wrote:Wow! thanks next time I'm dying of an infection I'll check.

So what, it's still a disease spreading around the world.

Odd response to what I said, but alright.

UMS probably wishes to say, that Z-Day is still about a contagious disease spreading, regardless of how it spreads. (You're not wrong, though, and I don't have any objections, should it take place, but it might be a question the Admins are dealing with, which some of us are curious about. ^^)
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:47 am

Gandoor wrote:Why not just ignore it then?
Merni wrote:Because, unlike N-day, it isn't an opt-in event. Your nation is pretty much dragged into it. And if you don't take action you may be hurting your region's efforts as well (if they care about Z-day).

Such a person could just not use NationStates that day. As shocking as that may seem, that very much is a valid option. It's pretty easy to avoid due to ample warnings, in the form of quite a bit of leadup to it both gameside and forumside since it is classed as a major community event on the site.
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Postby Merni » Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:28 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Gandoor wrote:Why not just ignore it then?
Merni wrote:Because, unlike N-day, it isn't an opt-in event. Your nation is pretty much dragged into it. And if you don't take action you may be hurting your region's efforts as well (if they care about Z-day).

Such a person could just not use NationStates that day. As shocking as that may seem, that very much is a valid option. It's pretty easy to avoid due to ample warnings, in the form of quite a bit of leadup to it both gameside and forumside since it is classed as a major community event on the site.

Why is that a better solution than implementing an opt-in mechanism?
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Postby Railroad Crossing » Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:30 am

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Postby Earthbound Immortal Squad » Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:39 am

Minoa wrote:Hey guys,

I wish to enquire what plans or changes are there in store for Z-Day9 (the Zombie Apocalypse) this year.

I ask this because the world is still combatting the spread of COVID-19, and since the Zombie Apocalypse involves viruses, some may see it as inappropriate due to the impact of COVID-19 on everything. I am aware that it is currently not possible to opt out of the Zombie Apocalypse, which may alarm users using NationStates to get away from COVID-19 drama.

-- Minoa


While I do see your position I must disagree for the simple reasons that first Z-day is not confirmed as a virus as far as I am aware and second Z-day is quite a fun event (for me personally) and during these times we need something to cheer people up rather than worrying about everything going on in the world. Mental health matters just as much as physical health in these times.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:56 am

Merni wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Such a person could just not use NationStates that day. As shocking as that may seem, that very much is a valid option. It's pretty easy to avoid due to ample warnings, in the form of quite a bit of leadup to it both gameside and forumside since it is classed as a major community event on the site.

Why is that a better solution than implementing an opt-in mechanism?

It isn't a solution, rather a statement of fact, as I don't believe that a problem exists in light of the aforementioned fact; can't have a solution if there is no problem in the first place.
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Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Minoa » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:05 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Gandoor wrote:Why not just ignore it then?
Merni wrote:Because, unlike N-day, it isn't an opt-in event. Your nation is pretty much dragged into it. And if you don't take action you may be hurting your region's efforts as well (if they care about Z-day).

Such a person could just not use NationStates that day. As shocking as that may seem, that very much is a valid option. It's pretty easy to avoid due to ample warnings, in the form of quite a bit of leadup to it both gameside and forumside since it is classed as a major community event on the site.

I can support what Platinia and Lillorainen said: since Z-Day is currently a mandatory event, there is a good risk of upsetting those who have been affected by COVID-19 in any way, whether or not they were actually infected.

This is the first time ever that Z-Day is likely to coincide with a real-world pandemic that has had a damaging effect on all aspects of life, globally: Spanish flu predated NationStates by many decades. Swine flu occurred long before Z-Day was a thing. Zika could be managed with mosquito control.

If the admin team decides not to allow Z-Day to take place this year, then there is always the roleplay option to keep the Z-Day spirit alive. I really hope that COVID-19 will lose pandemic status in time for Z-Day 2021.
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Postby CoraSpia » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:50 am

You're in a one-person region from the looks of it. Either ignore it or don't log in if it's such an issue for you, there's no reason to ruin everyone elses enjoyment of the event.
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Postby Ghost Land » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:54 am

This is ridiculous. Z-day is a NationStates tradition going back to 2013. It should carry on as usual.
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Postby Holland DS6 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:06 am

I'm not to sure about this, but shouldn't this be moved to F7 or where the chating forum is, kind of feels like a discussion topic
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:16 am

Minoa wrote:Snip

Sorry but if folk don't like it then they can just stay away for the day. They will get ample warning that it is coming, giving them time to act if they feel that it is going to overwhelm them.



Holland DS6 wrote:I'm not to sure about this, but shouldn't this be moved to F7 or where the chating forum is, kind of feels like a discussion topic

There are often discussions of this nature in Technical and Moderation, so no.
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White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
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They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
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Postby Cornlind » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:19 am

Gandoor wrote:Why not just ignore it then?

Well you can if you just don’t choose anything for your nation to do

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Postby Estado Novo Portugues » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:17 pm

Perhaps we could do something different this year, like an alien invasion or robot uprising? That way, we still get to have an apocalypse, without hitting too close to home for those affected by the coronavirus.
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Postby Nilrahrarfan » Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:02 am

Minoa wrote:Hey guys,

I wish to enquire what plans or changes are there in store for Z-Day9 (the Zombie Apocalypse) this year.

I ask this because the world is still combatting the spread of COVID-19, and since the Zombie Apocalypse involves viruses, some may see it as inappropriate due to the impact of COVID-19 on everything. I am aware that it is currently not possible to opt out of the Zombie Apocalypse, which may alarm users using NationStates to get away from COVID-19 drama.

-- Minoa

If we're going to cancel it, we should have N-Day again. Think about it, TWO N-Days ONE month apart.

Or maybe I'm just being crazy.
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Postby Narvatus » Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:08 am

Nilrahrarfan wrote:If we're going to cancel it, we should have N-Day again. Think about it, TWO N-Days ONE month apart.

Or maybe I'm just being crazy.


Two N-Days in one year isn't unprecedented, since it happened in 2017, but we can only hope.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:01 am

Cornlind wrote:
Gandoor wrote:Why not just ignore it then?

Well you can if you just don’t choose anything for your nation to do

The zombies come anyway, even if you decide to ignore it.

I've been lucky, in that I have not lost anyone due to the pandemic, but I do see how (if someone has lost a loved-one) it may be an inadvertent cause of distress and I don't see deterring engagement by telling them to not log-in for the day as the ideal solution.

If a solution is felt needed, making it opt-in seems ideal to me -- that way, people who do not want to be part of a game that involves a disease (whether viral, bacterial or a pathogen) can enjoy the other parts of the site, and those who are looking forward to Z-Day can still enjoy it as in previous years.
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