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[DRAFT] To see or not to see?

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Sanghyeok
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[DRAFT] To see or not to see?

Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:49 pm

Original Ideal by Jutsa "Issue about facial recognition software, perhaps about whether or not it should be restrained from being worked on too fast."
My interpretation: Facial recognition software being used by Yamason in stores for non-contact payment

Issue name: None yet.
Eligibility: Scientific advancement high, good retail sector.
Background: Yamason, one of the largest companies in @@NATION@@, recently unveiled a new tool for non-contact checkout, which uses facial recognition to track purchases and product history. Now some privacy rights activists and the Yamason CEO are waiting outside your office waiting to give their opinion on this issue.

Option A: "This is ridiculous!" argues privacy activist @@RANDOMNAME@@. "First they took our purchasing history, then tracked every detail of our internet history, and now our faces too? @@LEADER@@, you must lay down strict laws to protect consumers and prevent misuse of this information by Yamason and other large data companies!"
Result: The "recommended for you" section of Zootube is not accurate at all.


Option B: "Oh please" sighs Yamason CEO @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Our data privacy standards are the best out of all competing companies. We might have merged all the competitors last year, but the point still stands. If anything, you should give us laxer regulation, so we can better fill our pockets...em, shopping consumer's baskets!"
Result: Yamason knows citizens of @@NATION@@ better than they do themselves.


Option C: Out of nowhere, your Minister of State Security pops out, wearing their trademark dark cloak. "I do think this technology shouldn't be allowed, at least for private companies. But what do you say we take this facial recognition technology to track dissidents and criminals? It sounds like a great idea to make our country safer."
Result: Mask-wearing is common in @@NATION@@

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Trotterdam
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:24 pm

How does this system work? Does it just snap your face to identify you and then automatically take money from your bank account without asking you for permission? If it did that, privacy wouldn't be my biggest concern.

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Sanghyeok
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Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:15 pm

It snaps your face and then associates it with a shopping cart. Items that you place into your basket are also automatically tagged. This makes checkout extremely fast.

サンヒョク社会主義連合連邦
我が祖国は、革命の赤旗を守る!世界の労働者万歳 統一戦線万歳 どんな時も その眩しさ 覚えていた
Chairwoman Oomiya in tea party with Azur Deutschland leaders Julienne and Sylvia | Chairwoman Oomiya to receive delegation from various realms in celebration of 861st Birthday Gala
Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favorite things


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Trotterdam
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:58 pm

...Why not just build a system that recognizes which items you put in the cart and skip the face thing, then? It's easy enough for shops to build ID tags into their own carts.

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Sanghyeok
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Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:42 pm

I don't know, ask Yamason.

サンヒョク社会主義連合連邦
我が祖国は、革命の赤旗を守る!世界の労働者万歳 統一戦線万歳 どんな時も その眩しさ 覚えていた
Chairwoman Oomiya in tea party with Azur Deutschland leaders Julienne and Sylvia | Chairwoman Oomiya to receive delegation from various realms in celebration of 861st Birthday Gala
Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favorite things


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Trotterdam
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:48 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:I don't know, ask Yamason.
The fictional company in your issue?

Is this actually being used or proposed by real supermarkets, or is it a strawman that you made up for the sole purpose of objecting to it?

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Sanghyeok
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Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:50 pm

Yamason is Amazon, and I believe it was implemented in several test stores.
I don't have an opinion on this right now, it's simply an issue title that Jutsa inspired.

サンヒョク社会主義連合連邦
我が祖国は、革命の赤旗を守る!世界の労働者万歳 統一戦線万歳 どんな時も その眩しさ 覚えていた
Chairwoman Oomiya in tea party with Azur Deutschland leaders Julienne and Sylvia | Chairwoman Oomiya to receive delegation from various realms in celebration of 861st Birthday Gala
Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favorite things


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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:55 am

Doesn't really seem to be an issue to me, as facial recognition being linked to shopping involves shoppers consenting to the system -- they'd likely need to have their faces registered and linked to bank account details, for example. If you don't like it, you just don't shop there.

A real life issue of more relevance might be China's using facial recognition tech to allow access into public / state-controlled spaces, like parks and public transport. Saying to someone that they could choose not to use public parks or public transport isn't so robust a counter-position, so the privacy intrusions are much more controversial.

There's possibly a room for an issue about how people in commercialised cultures are voluntarily surrendering their privacy for convenience of shopping and whether thats a problematic trend in society. Of course, that extends way beyond facial recognition shopping...
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Postby SherpDaWerp » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:27 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:There's possibly a room for an issue about how people in commercialised cultures are voluntarily surrendering their privacy for convenience of shopping and whether thats a problematic trend in society. Of course, that extends way beyond facial recognition shopping...

It's also somewhat covered by #666, probably not enough for unpublishable overlap but enough that it might be worth writing as a chain from 666.1.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:17 am

There's a simple solution to this. Face masks. Perhaps an option that bans facemasks?
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