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California to house transgender inmates by gender identity

Postby Saiyan Galactic Empire » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:04 pm

The California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation houses men and women in separate facilities. Transgender inmates are often housed based on their sex assigned at birth. Advocates say this is dangerous, particularly for transgender women housed in facilities for men.

The law Newsom signed Saturday says officers must ask inmates privately during the intake process if they identify as transgender, nonbinary or intersex. Those inmates can then request to be placed in a facility that houses either men or women


https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out ... y-n1241201


I think given the danger of housing actual women with their inferior strength with "transgender" biological men with male genitalia is extremely dangerous and stupid.

That same day, the plaintiff said she was raped by Monroe – whose name is not included nor listed as a defendant in the complaint.

Following the incident, the plaintiff was moved into the prison’s Health Care Unit, where she was interviewed by internal affairs officers, according to the complaint. The following day, she was interviewed by Sexton, who allegedly told her “that he did not believe her and he pressured Plaintiff to say there was no sexual assault.”

The plaintiff said she was “coerced into providing this statement” and filed a grievance with IDOC soon after regarding that interview. She was then relocated about 40 miles away to the Decatur Correctional Center.


https://news.wttw.com/2020/02/19/lawsui ... der-inmate


Seems to create a backwards situation. Instead of lying about their gender to rape, they instead use the liberals own logic against them to commit horrific crimes. Im wondering what you all think of this new policy. Combined with a recently lowered penalty for sex offenders in California, this seems like the beginning of a disturbing trend
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Postby Esternial » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:07 pm

Given these are inmates, not e.g. random innocent people that need to take a leak, maybe you can submit them to a lie detector test or a psych eval to "filter" out any potential liars.

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Postby Saiyan Galactic Empire » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:08 pm

-SARS- wrote:Got some spare pearls for me to clutch? I left mine at home.


If i understand you, you feel indifference towards the safety of female innates? Who cares if they get raped? This is a serious issue and you're downplaying it.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:11 pm

So we're doing the moral panic thing again because an element of society no-longer treats trans people as icky?
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Postby Esternial » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:11 pm

Saiyan Galactic Empire wrote:
-SARS- wrote:Got some spare pearls for me to clutch? I left mine at home.


If i understand you, you feel indifference towards the safety of female innates? Who cares if they get raped? This is a serious issue and you're downplaying it.

If you're going to address every sarcastic remark or joke people make here in NSG you'll probably lose your sanity by the end of next week.

Don't pay it too much attention.

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Postby Saiyan Galactic Empire » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:14 pm

Vassenor wrote:So we're doing the moral panic thing again because an element of society no-longer treats trans people as icky?


Its not about trans people its about biological males convicted of violent crimes being shoved with biological females.

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Postby Thorno » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:17 pm

Saiyan Galactic Empire wrote:
-SARS- wrote:Got some spare pearls for me to clutch? I left mine at home.


If i understand you, you feel indifference towards the safety of female innates? Who cares if they get raped? This is a serious issue and you're downplaying it.


You are aware people don't commit crimes so they get to opportunity to rape people in prison, right? So you're saying a Californian transwoman who still has male genitalia would have to commit a crime on purpose so they can go rape cis women? Seems far-fetched to me.

Or a trans woman just happens to go to jail and rapes cis women. Because trans people are raping people all the time, I guess. That... epidemic of transgender rapists out there

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Postby -SARS- » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:18 pm

Esternial wrote:Given these are inmates, not e.g. random innocent people that need to take a leak, maybe you can submit them to a lie detector test or a psych eval to "filter" out any potential liars.


Lie detectors don't work. If you have a legitimate reason to believe someone is lying about being transgender -- or that they just have too many behavioral problems to house them with other inmates -- then you can separate them.

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If i understand you, you feel indifference towards the safety of female innates? Who cares if they get raped? This is a serious issue and you're downplaying it.


I feel indifference to your transphobic hysteria.
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Postby Esternial » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:18 pm

Saiyan Galactic Empire wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So we're doing the moral panic thing again because an element of society no-longer treats trans people as icky?


Its not about trans people its about biological males convicted of violent crimes being shoved with biological females.

Biological males being put together with biological females is not the issue here.

It's about cis men being shoved in together with both cis and trans women, as one can rightly assume people pretending to be transwomen don't have the best of intentions.

Your statement also appears to oppose legit trans women that want to be incarcerated with other women. Is that a problem for you too?

Because in that case, yes, it's about trans people.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:19 pm

So what's the evidence of people pretending to be trans to get into womens' prisons to rape?
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Postby Saiyan Galactic Empire » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:22 pm

Vassenor wrote:So what's the evidence of people pretending to be trans to get into womens' prisons to rape?


Transgender rapes woman

https://news.wttw.com/2020/02/19/lawsui ... der-inmate
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Postby New Vedan » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:22 pm

I can see both sides to this. Transgender inmates are oftentimes targeted for rape in a prison of there birth gender, but at the same point a cisgender person could just claim to be trans to get into the other genders prison. (Possibly to commit rape.)

Perhaps there should be transgender prisons? The comm uh unity is small enough to where they should only need to build one big one to house every trans inmate in the USA. And it would protect them from rape in a cisgender prison without opening the possibility for abuse.

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Postby Aclion » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:22 pm

Vassenor wrote:So what's the evidence of people pretending to be trans to get into womens' prisons to rape?

ou don't need to put your hand on the burner to know it's a bad idea.
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Postby Saiyan Galactic Empire » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:24 pm

Esternial wrote:
Saiyan Galactic Empire wrote:
Its not about trans people its about biological males convicted of violent crimes being shoved with biological females.

Biological males being put together with biological females is not the issue here.

It's about cis men being shoved in together with both cis and trans women, as one can rightly assume people pretending to be transwomen don't have the best of intentions.

Your statement also appears to oppose legit trans women that want to be incarcerated with other women. Is that a problem for you too?

Because in that case, yes, it's about trans people.


It doesnt matter if you're trans or not. If you have a penis you don't belong in a woman's prison its dangerous

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:25 pm

Bro, we still have prisons with inmates? Kind of cringe.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:28 pm

There must be a third gender prisons for transexuals
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:29 pm

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Saiyan Galactic Empire wrote:
-SARS- wrote:Got some spare pearls for me to clutch? I left mine at home.


If i understand you, you feel indifference towards the safety of female innates? Who cares if they get raped? This is a serious issue and you're downplaying it.

You're the one advocating for female inmates to be housed amongst men, my guy.
Also I suppose you think that trans men *should* be in women's prisons?
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Postby Estanglia » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:30 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Bro, we still have prisons with inmates? Kind of cringe.


Don't have to worry about what to do with transgender inmates if there are no inmates.

EDIT: as for a genuine opinion, I don't know how frequently cisgender inmates abuse rules li9ke these to get themselves housed in the prison of the other gender, so I don't know what the risk is in that regards, but I'm generally supportive of this.
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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:There must be a third gender prisons for transexuals

Ideally, we could phase out prisons entirely. Or at least make them substantially less shitty places to be.
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Postby Esternial » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:31 pm

Saiyan Galactic Empire wrote:
-SARS- wrote:Got some spare pearls for me to clutch? I left mine at home.


If i understand you, you feel indifference towards the safety of female innates? Who cares if they get raped? This is a serious issue and you're downplaying it.

Can we also, by the way, acknowledge the risk for transwomen? I can imagine they're at higher risk of being targeted by other cisgendered inmates.

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If i understand you, you feel indifference towards the safety of female innates? Who cares if they get raped? This is a serious issue and you're downplaying it.

The prisons themselves don’t seem to give a shit who gets raped, or assaulted, or otherwise harmed. Prisons in general are shitty places.
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Postby Oerkar » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:35 pm

I understand both sides to this too.Still don’t know what to make of it totally.

She was raped by the transgender inmate.And the policy of transferring the transgender inmates to female facilities created contention within IDOC. And then IDOC covered it up saying it was consensual. And many women in the prison probably had some transphobia about her presence there.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:38 pm

Saiyan Galactic Empire wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So what's the evidence of people pretending to be trans to get into womens' prisons to rape?


Transgender rapes woman

https://news.wttw.com/2020/02/19/lawsui ... der-inmate


So what part of that article relates to what I asked for?

Also nice to see you apparently want to screw over an entire demographic based on one (1) incident. But this is totally not you trying to start a moral panic in any way shape or form.
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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:39 pm

I don’t think transgender persons should be housed alongside either men or women, but rather be placed within their own units. If this cannot be done, then they should be placed alongside others of their birth sex. However prisons need to be adequately equipped and prepared to deal with any assaults (sexual or otherwise) and unwelcome behaviour regardless, especially as transgender persons are likely targets for attack.
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