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Which countries are the most overrated?

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Most overrated country/region

USA/Canada
15
36%
Latin America
0
No votes
Scandinavia
1
2%
UK
2
5%
France
5
12%
Germany/Austria/Switz.
2
5%
Spain/Italy/Greece
0
No votes
Japan/S Korea/China
8
19%
Australia/NZ
2
5%
Other (specify)
7
17%
 
Total votes : 42

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Postby A Pool in Kharkiv » Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:02 am

Russia... and their Slavic bros.

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Postby The Great Imperator Jeffrey » Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:02 am

"Japan and South Korea have very traditional values"
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Postby Novo Wagondia » Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:25 am

Seems like this thread might be more at home in General rather than NationStates, as this is an in-character forum.

Nonetheless, it's an interesting question to pose, and one for which my answer has changed quite noticeably in the past year. Though it pains me to admit, the United States is the most overrated country on earth right now. Perhaps my answer is affected by my own experience as a native-born American (having been exposed to American exceptionalism my entire life), but I've also lived extensively abroad and can tell you that our national leadership is admired just about nowhere. For there to be such a dissonance between America's opinion of itself and our pathetic international reputation, is both absurd and deeply embarrassing.

I love the United States, and truly believe it can be built into a more equitable force for good in the world, but I'm not sure what we stand for any longer. All that seems clear is that we're for America and against anybody who isn't America, which seems a pretty poorly-equipped ideology for the supposed leader of the free world. You simply can't narrate yourself as the world's beacon of hope and opportunity while simultaneously denying those virtues to your own citizenry. Everything America legislates — everything we 'achieve' — screams that we are unprepared and unwilling to assume real leadership not just in the world, but in our own borders as well. We fix the gaping injustices in our society with half-measures and empty platitudes because there's no real appetite for reform and no real desire to lead by example rather than by force. The reasons for this are complex and deeply-rooted, but somehow seem to only affect America. Every other country of our wealth and stature seems to be well past this kind of self-denial and willful ignorance. For a country which is despised abroad and performs awfully on every quality of life indicator, the US has an awfully rosy opinion of its own destiny to lead. It's about time we took serious responsibility for our actions — beginning with the fundamental flaws we've neglected for too long.
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Postby Feyrisshire » Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:39 am

Japan. Duh. So overrated.
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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:43 am

The US and Japan, the US because of their trash healthcare system, and Japan because everyone loves it, because of what? Anime? Like, amine is cool, but calm down.
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Postby Cokoland » Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:51 am

A Pool in Kharkiv wrote:Russia... and their Slavic bros.

Not really Bulgaria, NM, Slovakia and Slovenia are underated as fuck
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Postby Cokoland » Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:57 am

Firrenzo wrote:
Cokoland wrote:Not really Bulgaria, NM, Slovakia and Slovenia are underated as fuck

I think E.E. countries are some of the most underrated in the world, especially Romania and Bulgaria, people think they're full of gypsies and mafias. ;)

So true
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Postby Herzosag » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:42 am

Sao Tome and Principe is kind of overrated tbh
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Postby Kandorith » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:45 am

Definitely France.
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Postby Disgraces » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:46 am

The US.
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Postby Diarcesia » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:47 am

TUDJIKOSTAN wrote:Undoubtly France, this country is gray and depressing, a cesspool of crime, devoid of values and full of immaturity, rudeness, loneliness, broken familles, depravity, extremists and violence. Believe me, I live there, my country is each day more and more dangerous, mostly thanks to the Maghrebi gangs operating freely in the country without police intervention robbing, assaulting, raping, murdering, I'm not racist but that's sadly the reality of France. In a few years we will be like USA, with violent racial riots everyday, fragmented and polarized as hell and with no personal security at all, as a result of our incompetent politicians searching only own interests and benefits, but people are also to blame, many live in their own fantasies and don't want to live reality, they have forgotten about their fatherland and constantly defend massive immigration all the time, no matter how you object to them will call you "racist", "nazi", "reactionary" or whatever term.

Firrenzo wrote:For me Japan and S Korea, especially on the internet, many (misinformed) Westerners believe those countries are full of virile and macho men like the samurais they see in animes such as Goku or Naruto, virginal and conservative women like the one they see in Doraemon, that traditional marriage and values are kept there and that they reject feminism, homosexualism and mass immigration. But they have to discover the raw reality of those E Asian countries, which is completely different:

[*] They're not traditional nor conservative at all, in fact those countries are known for their insane model of capitalism and consumerism, the explicit sexual liberalism and hedonism repeated in their cartoons (anime and especially hentai), the exhibitionism and twerking culture of their girls shown in K-pop and cosplays (not to mention their extreme facelift and ultra-pale skin addiction), the immaturity, depression, suicide, effemination, weakness and sedentarism culture of their boys who literally die in front of a screen playing fantasy MMORPGs (hikikomoris and herbivore men) and their extremely high atheism rates (except for the Czech R all the majority atheist contries are Asian, specifically China, Japan and both Koreas) as well as the high levels of social and institutional persecution of religion prevalent there, and don't forget they've got the highest suicide and depression rates in the world.

[*] How ironic is talking about that they dislike mass immigration when they're all immigrants themselves (read about the Ainu) and also they're increasingly accepting of brown immigration and disapproval towards Islamism is virtually unexistent.

As far as I can know, other Asian countries like China (including Taiwan and HK), Thailand or Singapore are very probably affected by similar problems but these are not as overrated as Japan and S Korea. So, I would like you to explain your observations too. :eyebrow:


Garbage, that's all false. You would actually be liking to live there, don't lie. Zero immigration, more opportunities, better education, no feminism, beautiful women and much more respectful and united people. And traditional values survive there, a man is a man and a woman a woman, and love exists unlike in France where women are selfish and search only money.


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Postby Broader Confederate States » Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:05 am

My votes go to Canada and Japan.
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A lot of people are weebs. I'm not going in depth because I don't have some grand point to make here, I'm just saying Japan has a cultural hold without people even realizing what that culture is.
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Postby Cokoland » Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:39 am

TUDJIKOSTAN wrote:Undoubtly France, this country is gray and depressing, a cesspool of crime, devoid of values and full of immaturity, rudeness, loneliness, broken familles, depravity, extremists and violence. Believe me, I live there, my country is each day more and more dangerous, mostly thanks to the Maghrebi gangs operating freely in the country without police intervention robbing, assaulting, raping, murdering, I'm not racist but that's sadly the reality of France. In a few years we will be like USA, with violent racial riots everyday, fragmented and polarized as hell and with no personal security at all, as a result of our incompetent politicians searching only own interests and benefits, but people are also to blame, many live in their own fantasies and don't want to live reality, they have forgotten about their fatherland and constantly defend massive immigration all the time, no matter how you object to them will call you "racist", "nazi", "reactionary" or whatever term.

Firrenzo wrote:For me Japan and S Korea, especially on the internet, many (misinformed) Westerners believe those countries are full of virile and macho men like the samurais they see in animes such as Goku or Naruto, virginal and conservative women like the one they see in Doraemon, that traditional marriage and values are kept there and that they reject feminism, homosexualism and mass immigration. But they have to discover the raw reality of those E Asian countries, which is completely different:

[*] They're not traditional nor conservative at all, in fact those countries are known for their insane model of capitalism and consumerism, the explicit sexual liberalism and hedonism repeated in their cartoons (anime and especially hentai), the exhibitionism and twerking culture of their girls shown in K-pop and cosplays (not to mention their extreme facelift and ultra-pale skin addiction), the immaturity, depression, suicide, effemination, weakness and sedentarism culture of their boys who literally die in front of a screen playing fantasy MMORPGs (hikikomoris and herbivore men) and their extremely high atheism rates (except for the Czech R all the majority atheist contries are Asian, specifically China, Japan and both Koreas) as well as the high levels of social and institutional persecution of religion prevalent there, and don't forget they've got the highest suicide and depression rates in the world.

[*] How ironic is talking about that they dislike mass immigration when they're all immigrants themselves (read about the Ainu) and also they're increasingly accepting of brown immigration and disapproval towards Islamism is virtually unexistent.

As far as I can know, other Asian countries like China (including Taiwan and HK), Thailand or Singapore are very probably affected by similar problems but these are not as overrated as Japan and S Korea. So, I would like you to explain your observations too. :eyebrow:


Garbage, that's all false. You would actually be liking to live there, don't lie. Zero immigration, more opportunities, better education, no feminism, beautiful women and much more respectful and united people. And traditional values survive there, a man is a man and a woman a woman, and love exists unlike in France where women are selfish and search only money.

I highly doubt that
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Postby Cokoland » Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:08 pm

Firrenzo wrote:
TUDJIKOSTAN wrote:Undoubtly France, this country is gray and depressing, a cesspool of crime, devoid of values and full of immaturity, rudeness, loneliness, broken familles, depravity, extremists and violence. Believe me, I live there, my country is each day more and more dangerous, mostly thanks to the Maghrebi gangs operating freely in the country without police intervention robbing, assaulting, raping, murdering, I'm not racist but that's sadly the reality of France. In a few years we will be like USA, with violent racial riots everyday, fragmented and polarized as hell and with no personal security at all, as a result of our incompetent politicians searching only own interests and benefits, but people are also to blame, many live in their own fantasies and don't want to live reality, they have forgotten about their fatherland and constantly defend massive immigration all the time, no matter how you object to them will call you "racist", "nazi", "reactionary" or whatever term.

Everyone says their own politicians are devils, ask a Italian, a Spaniard, an American, a Russian, a Greek, they'll all say exactly the same. There's no country talking favourably about its politicians. And what you say about immigrants happens to a greater or lesser extent in all the Western world.
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Garbage, that's all false. You would actually be liking to live there, don't lie. Zero immigration, more opportunities, better education, no feminism, beautiful women and much more respectful and united people. And traditional values survive there, a man is a man and a woman a woman, and love exists unlike in France where women are selfish and search only money.

Read again my post. I give arguments supporting my reasoning. You don't. How do you know all you say is true? How can you prove it?

You're only telling your dreams and fantasies, all of your post can be easily debunked with some simple knowledge and reasoning:

[*] Zero immigration: Did you even read my second point??? The Japanase themselves ARE THE IMMIGRANTS, the true natives of Japan were the Ainus.
Japan has also many immigrants from third world countries like Vietnam, India, Nepal, Indonesia, and they'll soon surrender like the West, remember they're the most aged country in the world, their median age is 48, for comparison in France is just 40.

Map of foreigners in Japan by 2017: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrati ... c_2017.png

[*] More opportunities / better education: What do you mean by opportunities? Job? Why do you want a job there if you're going to live like a slave? Your holidays in your ideal Asian countries are 4 days, and the rest of the year is complete slavery (same for school/education), do you seriously want to live in this way? Even without the right to breathe clean air? You must be joking. Do you want to turn in one of the many Japaneses/South Koreans hanging from the roof young?

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https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20 ... in/073000c
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/05/heal ... index.html

[*] No feminism / beautiful women: Another fake. They do have in fact something much worse than feminism. Women there have the full control of the society, they've their men enslaved in their basements, and they've Western men enslaved in their financing. Asian women are more empowered than Western women. And they're not beautiful at all. Most are born very ugly, but modify their faces and bodies later as beauty is among their top priorities. In such an exaggerated way that there are goblins that turn in princesses.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... e-are.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eppY4xy-oh0

[*] Much more respectful and united people: Seriously? How do you know that? This doesn't even need to be debunked as it's just pure fantasy, provide more objective and realistic arguments.

[*] Traditional values survive there: Completely false. Seriously do you call "traditional values" to the exhibitionism and hypersexualism of the Asian girls in K-pop and cosplays? Would be the depressed, failed and effeminate hikikomoris' tendency to sit down 24 hours playing MMORPGs and fantasy games and eventually suicide at adolescence a "traditional value"? Since when is atheism a "traditional value"? You've not provided even a single valid argument supporting your claim.

[*] A man is a man and a woman a woman: The stupidest argument of all by far. That's not a traditional value, that's a natural law.

[*] Love exists unlike in France where women are selfish and search only money: Another absurd fantasy. I bet you've not even met a single Asian woman in your life.

This is providing actual proof and information, and this is reasoning. Not your nonsensical claims with no solid evidence to hold in. :eyebrow:

And France is more beautiful :p
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Postby Broader Confederate States » Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:22 pm

Firrenzo wrote:
Cokoland wrote:And France is more beautiful :p

Agree, France as a country has more future than Japan or S Korea, French still marry and have children (they've got one of the highest fertility rates in Europe at almost 2 children per woman), unlike E Asia where dying virgin is the norm for all and fertility drops to below 1. ;)

I like France's commitment to nuclear power. It'll be the least hit by the oncoming oil disaster I feel. I also respect it for aiding us in achieving independence, though its own revolution could have gone more smoothly.
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Postby Pretty Much God » Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:29 pm

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Postby Vivolkha » Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:35 pm

Firrenzo wrote:
TUDJIKOSTAN wrote:Undoubtly France, this country is gray and depressing, a cesspool of crime, devoid of values and full of immaturity, rudeness, loneliness, broken familles, depravity, extremists and violence. Believe me, I live there, my country is each day more and more dangerous, mostly thanks to the Maghrebi gangs operating freely in the country without police intervention robbing, assaulting, raping, murdering, I'm not racist but that's sadly the reality of France. In a few years we will be like USA, with violent racial riots everyday, fragmented and polarized as hell and with no personal security at all, as a result of our incompetent politicians searching only own interests and benefits, but people are also to blame, many live in their own fantasies and don't want to live reality, they have forgotten about their fatherland and constantly defend massive immigration all the time, no matter how you object to them will call you "racist", "nazi", "reactionary" or whatever term.

Everyone says their own politicians are devils, ask a Italian, a Spaniard, an American, a Russian, a Greek, they'll all say exactly the same. There's no country talking favourably about its politicians. And what you say about immigrants happens to a greater or lesser extent in all the Western world.

Yeah, as a Spaniard, I would say our politicians suck.

And I would also say that France is the most overrated country, especially as a tourist destination. And the French language does not sound beautiful nor is actually that useful as it's claimed.
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Postby HypErcApitAl » Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:37 pm

Every Germanic country. Why? Because the German Empire. I am not anti-german, obviously; I just see a fetishation of German and German culture. The beer-drinking, the overworking, the suspenders and other German stereotypes. German military, German flags, everyone is so obsessed over Germany and it annoys me. Especially on here, when I see alot of wannabe-Germany countries on NS.
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Postby Nuroblav » Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:39 pm

This might be better in NSG, which is more of an OOC forum.

There's the obvious US, but this seems like a typical response from me so I'll settle for Australia. Doesn't seem like somewhere I'd particularly enjoy living to be honest. Mind you, the outback seems pretty chill, but even then I'm not the biggest fan of the climate there either.
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Postby Novo Wagondia » Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:53 pm

Firrenzo wrote:[*] No feminism / beautiful women: Another fake. They do have in fact something much worse than feminism. Women there have the full control of the society, they've their men enslaved in their basements, and they've Western men enslaved in their financing. Asian women are more empowered than Western women. And they're not beautiful at all. Most are born very ugly, but modify their faces and bodies later as beauty is among their top priorities. In such an exaggerated way that there are goblins that turn in princesses.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... e-are.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eppY4xy-oh0


Hey man, I'm all for having your own tastes and all, but I think we can agree this is a bit far. I'm not sure the typecasting of an entire race of people as 'goblins' can or should be construed as any kind of objective statement. I have an inkling you're not an ethnologist or anthropologist by trade, and I don't think the Daily Mail is going to give you the credentials to speak like one.
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Postby Cokoland » Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:59 pm

Firrenzo wrote:
Cokoland wrote:And France is more beautiful :p

Agree, France as a country has more future than Japan or S Korea, French still marry and have children (they've got one of the highest fertility rates in Europe at almost 2 children per woman), unlike E Asia where dying virgin is the norm for all and fertility drops to below 1. ;)

If i could i would go to France
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Postby Broader Confederate States » Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:04 pm

Ooh, here's one I forgot:
Texas --
Texans love Texas, and even foreigners like to meme it up as some folksy cool place that's just Southern enough without being Too SouthernTM, but Texas is just... like, a place. And one that's fairly quickly just turning into East New Mexico. It's also too big, self-congratulating, and "y'all" saying to ever be a place I'd have a lot of fondness for.
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