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N-Day to coincide with Yom Kippur

Postby East Blepia » Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:41 pm

In my timezone, the final four or five hours depending on sunset are going to coincide with Yom Kippur, the holiest day in Judaism.

This is going to inconvenience a lot of people. In more easterly timezones the majority or even entirety of N-Day could coincide with Yom Kippur, making it not permissible for Jews to participate in N-Day.

Was this considered and the scheduling gone ahead with anyway or did no one consider it at all?
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Postby Doge Land » Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:44 pm

This was most likely not considered. N-Day is meant to coincide with the International Day of the Total Elimination of Nuclear Weapons on September 26th.
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Postby East Blepia » Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:45 pm

In my timezone, the final four or five hours depending on sunset are going to coincide with Yom Kippur, the holiest day in Judaism.

This is going to inconvenience a lot of people. In more easterly timezones the majority or even entirety of N-Day could coincide with Yom Kippur, making it not permissible for Jews to participate in N-Day.

Was this considered and the scheduling gone ahead with anyway or did no one consider it at all?
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Postby Brinckerhoff » Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:46 pm

Wanna regularize with the One True Calendar yet? ;P

East Blepia wrote:In my timezone, the final four or five hours depending on sunset are going to coincide with Yom Kippur, the holiest day in Judaism.

This is going to inconvenience a lot of people. In more easterly timezones the majority or even entirety of N-Day could coincide with Yom Kippur, making it not permissible for Jews to participate in N-Day.

Was this considered and the scheduling gone ahead with anyway or did no one consider it at all?

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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:50 pm

East Blepia wrote:In my timezone, the final four or five hours depending on sunset are going to coincide with Yom Kippur, the holiest day in Judaism.

This is going to inconvenience a lot of people. In more easterly timezones the majority or even entirety of N-Day could coincide with Yom Kippur, making it not permissible for Jews to participate in N-Day.

Was this considered and the scheduling gone ahead with anyway or did no one consider it at all?

I'd say the number of Jews that participate in NS is likely small, and those who want to participate in N-Day will be even less; so you might want to reconsider "a lot of people"...

Also, I don't see N-Day in the following list of Yom Kippur prohibitions. unless you want to be really creative with how you interpret them:

No eating and drinking
No wearing of leather shoes
No bathing or washing
No anointing oneself with perfumes or lotions
No marital relations
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Postby Guy » Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:50 pm

I agree that this is a real issue. For me, the timing coincides with almost the entirety of Yom Kippur.

This is a real scheduling issue that directly inconveniences a not insignificant proportion of the userbase.

While N-Day is scheduled to coincide with the International Day for the Total Elimination of Nuclear Weapons on 26 September, the event is starting on the 27th in most of the world.

It would be comforting to know that NS admin has considered this and will ensure that there is not a repeat in the future.

The New California Republic wrote:Also, I don't see N-Day in the following list of Yom Kippur prohibitions. unless you want to be really creative with how you interpret them:

No eating and drinking
No wearing of leather shoes
No bathing or washing
No anointing oneself with perfumes or lotions
No marital relations

It's always heartening when someone explains your own religion to you. No, playing NS is incompatible with Yom Kippur. I know it must be difficult for a Generalite, but you could try not talking about things you don't have a clue about.
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Postby East Blepia » Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:53 pm

The New California Republic wrote:I don't see N-Day in the following list of Yom Kippur prohibitions. unless you want to be really creative with how you interpret them:

No eating and drinking
No wearing of leather shoes
No bathing or washing
No anointing oneself with perfumes or lotions
No marital relations


It's a holy day. It's not forbidden to use a computer on Christmas, but I doubt that you will see practicing Christians doing it very much and with great focus. Many Jews are going to be travelling, or having travelled, or praying or attending services, or otherwise occupying themselves with things other than NationStates.
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Postby Guy » Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:56 pm

Guy wrote:I agree that this is a real issue. For me, the timing coincides with almost the entirety of Yom Kippur.

This is a real scheduling issue that directly inconveniences a not insignificant proportion of the userbase.

While N-Day is scheduled to coincide with the International Day for the Total Elimination of Nuclear Weapons on 26 September, the event is starting on the 27th in most of the world.

It would be comforting to know that NS admin has considered this and will ensure that there is not a repeat in the future.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:58 pm

East Blepia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I don't see N-Day in the following list of Yom Kippur prohibitions. unless you want to be really creative with how you interpret them:

No eating and drinking
No wearing of leather shoes
No bathing or washing
No anointing oneself with perfumes or lotions
No marital relations


It's a holy day. It's not forbidden to use a computer on Christmas, but I doubt that you will see practicing Christians doing it very much and with great focus. Many Jews are going to be travelling, or having travelled, or praying or attending services, or otherwise occupying themselves with things other than NationStates.

Sorry but there are religious holidays/festivals etc throughout the year. It is just not reasonable to expect NS to try to avoid all of them. There will inevitably be clashes with events here and there, so folk just need to deal with it.
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Postby East Blepia » Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:59 pm

The New California Republic wrote:Sorry but there are religious holidays/festivals etc throughout the year. It is just not reasonable to expect NS to try to avoid all of them. There will inevitably be clashes with events here and there, so folk just need to deal with it.


Yom Kippur is the holiest day in Judaism.
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Postby Trotterdam » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:01 pm

It's amusing to have N-Day scheduled on a holiday that's about atoning for your sins, though.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:01 pm

East Blepia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Sorry but there are religious holidays/festivals etc throughout the year. It is just not reasonable to expect NS to try to avoid all of them. There will inevitably be clashes with events here and there, so folk just need to deal with it.


Yom Kippur is the holiest day in Judaism.

Makes no difference really. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Postby East Blepia » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:02 pm

The New California Republic wrote:Makes no difference really. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Yes it does. It makes a great deal of difference. This is a whole-day thing, this is like hiking fifteen miles.
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Postby Aureumterra III » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:04 pm

I’m not going to speak for anyone else, but personally, I would place a much higher priority on observing a religious holiday than an online text based satirical political simulator
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East Blepia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Makes no difference really. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Yes it does. It makes a great deal of difference. This is a whole-day thing, this is like hiking fifteen miles.

No it makes no difference at all, my point still stands regardless.
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Postby Brettenwald » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:06 pm

Participating in N-Day is completely voluntary, so you could just not join a faction (and therefore stay out of it) until you're done with your religious obligations.
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Postby Side 3 » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:06 pm

I mean, that's unfortunate and all, but it's not like Yom Kippur completely prevents you from getting on NS. Nor do you need to play on N-day.

East Blepia wrote:It's a holy day. It's not forbidden to use a computer on Christmas, but I doubt that you will see practicing Christians doing it very much and with great focus. Many Jews are going to be travelling, or having travelled, or praying or attending services, or otherwise occupying themselves with things other than NationStates.


Every Christmas dinner I've been to has the older folks watching a football game and the younger ones on their phones while we wait to eat. Of course I'm sure that's quite different from Yom Kippur celebrations, but people certainly can find time to play NS during holidays.
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Postby East Blepia » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:08 pm

The New California Republic wrote:No it makes no difference at all, my point still stands regardless.


It makes a great deal of difference. It's like scheduling some very important assembly (e.g. a town meeting) for Christmas Day. It's totally disrespectful to Jews.
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Postby East Blepia » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:09 pm

Brettenwald wrote:Participating in N-Day is completely voluntary, so you could just not join a faction (and therefore stay out of it) until you're done with your religious obligations.


If you want to really observe the holiday and not just use it as an excuse for a family gathering it is going to be an all-day thing.
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The New California Republic wrote:
East Blepia wrote:In my timezone, the final four or five hours depending on sunset are going to coincide with Yom Kippur, the holiest day in Judaism.

This is going to inconvenience a lot of people. In more easterly timezones the majority or even entirety of N-Day could coincide with Yom Kippur, making it not permissible for Jews to participate in N-Day.

Was this considered and the scheduling gone ahead with anyway or did no one consider it at all?

I'd say the number of Jews that participate in NS is likely small, and those who want to participate in N-Day will be even less; so you might want to reconsider "a lot of people"...

Also, I don't see N-Day in the following list of Yom Kippur prohibitions. unless you want to be really creative with how you interpret them:

No eating and drinking
No wearing of leather shoes
No bathing or washing
No anointing oneself with perfumes or lotions
No marital relations

Over here.
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Postby Guy » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:09 pm

The New California Republic wrote:Sorry but there are religious holidays/festivals etc throughout the year. It is just not reasonable to expect NS to try to avoid all of them. There will inevitably be clashes with events here and there, so folk just need to deal with it.


Hey mate. I get that your real-life experience is probably rather limited. Some of us have actually scheduled a community event before, and have had regard to avoiding clashes with days of cultural significance. This is literally happens for every community or corporate event.

Had the event been scheduled for 24 hours later, or 1 week later, it is very unlikely that would have posed a scheduling issue of this magnitude. Therefore, the request is for the admin team to have regard for this in the future.

Lastly, this doesn't affect you. People have raised concerns with the timing. If admin feels that in future years they are able to avoid this clash, there is only benefit from that. There is literally no harm to you here, so the only thing that can be concluded is that you want the event to clash with Yom Kippur.

Side 3 wrote:Every Christmas dinner I've been to has the older folks watching a football game and the younger ones on their phones while we wait to eat. Of course I'm sure that's quite different from Yom Kippur celebrations, but people certainly can find time to play NS during holidays.


No it's literally forbidden throughout the whole day. Please, if you don't know what Yom Kippur is about, just be quiet.
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East Blepia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:No it makes no difference at all, my point still stands regardless.


It makes a great deal of difference. It's like scheduling some very important assembly (e.g. a town meeting) for Christmas Day. It's totally disrespectful to Jews.

And now I just think you are really overstating the importance of N-Day.
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Postby Tranzoria » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:10 pm

East Blepia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:No it makes no difference at all, my point still stands regardless.


It makes a great deal of difference. It's like scheduling some very important assembly (e.g. a town meeting) for Christmas Day. It's totally disrespectful to Jews.

Because it evolves around War? Or because we will miss it. Either way, it's fun.
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Postby East Blepia » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:10 pm

Side 3 wrote:Every Christmas dinner I've been to has the older folks watching a football game and the younger ones on their phones while we wait to eat. Of course I'm sure that's quite different from Yom Kippur celebrations, but people certainly can find time to play NS during holidays.


It's a holiday. It's a religious observance. They could have had some decent consideration.
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Postby Side 3 » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:10 pm

East Blepia wrote:It makes a great deal of difference. It's like scheduling some very important assembly (e.g. a town meeting) for Christmas Day. It's totally disrespectful to Jews.


Oh come on, now you're stretching it. If N-Day being on Yom Kippur is that disrespectful to you, don't play it. This isn't a mandatory function you have to attend to, you can completely skip it if you want.
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