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Are cheesecakes cake?

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Which of the following do you believe is a type of cake? Please check all that apply.

Cake
72
26%
Pies
9
3%
Cupcake
44
16%
Cookies (hard)
3
1%
Cookies (soft)
5
2%
Cheesecake (American)
43
16%
Cheesecake (Japan)
42
15%
Ice-cream cake
43
16%
Crepe
6
2%
Sweet bread
10
4%
 
Total votes : 277

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Are cheesecakes cake?

Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:35 pm

So, do you consider cheesecake to be a cake? And, if cheesecakes are also cakes, then what are the criteria to be a cake? Can we also claim that cookies, pies, and cupcakes to be cake? What about the ice-cream cake, or maybe crepes? Please discuss.

Edit: In my opinion, cake as a concept is rather narrow compared to other foods. There are certain ingredients and a certain texture that someone expects from a cake, which most cheesecake lacks. Therefore, I argue that cheesecake is not a cake. But this is my opinion, and you are free to debate.

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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:41 pm

I now want to try Japanese cheesecake.

To answer your question, I would consider cheesecake cake, yes.
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Postby Alternamerica » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:42 pm

It's a pie since it's not baked/fried batter, but a custard-type dessert.

However, because my emotions often cloud my judgement, I treat cheesecake as a cake
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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:42 pm

In my opinion, cake as a concept is rather narrow compared to other foods. There are certain ingredients and a certain texture that someone expects from a cake, which most cheesecake lacks. Therefore, I argue that cheesecake is not a cake. But this is my opinion, and you are free to debate.

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Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
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Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:42 pm

It’s a piece of cake. :)

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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:43 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:I now want to try Japanese cheesecake.

To answer your question, I would consider cheesecake cake, yes.


Where along the line from "cheese" to "cheesecake" does it become a cake? Can we argue that the batter is also a cake, then?

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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:43 pm

I think that the way something is served determines its classification as well, so since cheesecakes, pies, and cakes are all served sliced up and on a plate in most cases, they'd fall under the classification of cake to me, even if they aren't cakes by their ingredients.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:45 pm

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I have now discovered the extremely satisfying fluffiness that is Japanese cheescake, and, while it is quite jiggly, it seems solid enough to be considered cake.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:46 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:I think that the way something is served determines its classification as well, so since cheesecakes, pies, and cakes are all served sliced up and on a plate in most cases, they'd fall under the classification of cake to me, even if they aren't cakes by their ingredients.


I think "ingredients' is less important than form, for example. Consider a vegan, non-wheat, sugar-free cake. It lacks eggs, butter, and even wheat and sugar. Yet by all means the result is still clearly the texture on expects from cake.

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And fresh poured Darjeeling
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:46 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:I think that the way something is served determines its classification as well, so since cheesecakes, pies, and cakes are all served sliced up and on a plate in most cases, they'd fall under the classification of cake to me, even if they aren't cakes by their ingredients.


I think "ingredients' is less important than form, for example. Consider a vegan, non-wheat, sugar-free cake. It lacks eggs, butter, and even wheat and sugar. Yet by all means the result is still clearly the texture on expects from cake.

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Postby Bombadil » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:47 pm

The cake is a lie.

I'd class it in with Key Lime Pie, it's not a cake.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:49 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:

I have now discovered the extremely satisfying fluffiness that is Japanese cheescake, and, while it is quite jiggly, it seems solid enough to be considered cake.


In my opinion, it is form and texture that matters. Therefore, I argue that the Japanese-style cheesecake is a cake, because it is close enough to a cake that we consider to be stereotypical (for example, strawberry cake). But at the same time, American-style cheesecake fails, for it is too unusual in texture to be considered a cake.

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And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favorite things


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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:50 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:So, do you consider cheesecake to be a cake? And, if cheesecakes are also cakes, then what are the criteria to be a cake? Can we also claim that cookies, pies, and cupcakes to be cake? What about the ice-cream cake, or maybe crepes? Please discuss.


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You should at least put your opinion in the OP. And a ten choices, pick ten? Kind of pointless, isn't it?
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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:51 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:So, do you consider cheesecake to be a cake? And, if cheesecakes are also cakes, then what are the criteria to be a cake? Can we also claim that cookies, pies, and cupcakes to be cake? What about the ice-cream cake, or maybe crepes? Please discuss.


Reference:
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You should at least put your opinion in the OP. And a ten choices, pick ten? Kind of pointless, isn't it?


I edited it to include my opinion.

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Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favorite things


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Postby Santa Selena » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:57 pm

I feel like a cheesecake is nearing the cusp of becoming a pie, but is still a cake. My reasoning behind is that even though it doesn't the normal batter used in cakes (it still uses batter) and has a crust, it is still in a cake-like structure. It's the same for ice cream cakes, different materials used, in a cake-like structure.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:59 pm

Santa Selena wrote:I feel like a cheesecake is nearing the cusp of becoming a pie, but is still a cake. My reasoning behind is that even though it doesn't the normal batter used in cakes (it still uses batter) and has a crust, it is still in a cake-like structure. It's the same for ice cream cakes, different materials used, in a cake-like structure.


But the texture of the two is rather different, isn't it? American-style cheesecake doesn't feel like cake when you eat it, at least not by the feeling (it is not as puffy, for example).

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Postby Santa Selena » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:02 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Santa Selena wrote:I feel like a cheesecake is nearing the cusp of becoming a pie, but is still a cake. My reasoning behind is that even though it doesn't the normal batter used in cakes (it still uses batter) and has a crust, it is still in a cake-like structure. It's the same for ice cream cakes, different materials used, in a cake-like structure.


But the texture of the two is rather different, isn't it? American-style cheesecake doesn't feel like cake when you eat it, at least not by the feeling (it is not as puffy, for example).

I'm wondering, do you consider ice cream cake as a cake?
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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:03 pm

Santa Selena wrote:I'm wondering, do you consider ice cream cake as a cake?


It is more difficult to argue. I would claim ice cream cake (depending on the style) can be classified as either, but most are not. If there is more cake than ice cream however, then yes- because the texture of the "cake" part is like that of a cake.

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And fresh poured Darjeeling
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Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
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Postby Minskiev » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:06 pm

This is like asking if cheeseburgers are burgers. The answer being yes.
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Postby Maineiacs » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:06 pm

Cheesecake is a pie. Boston Cream Pie is a cake.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:07 pm

Minskiev wrote:This is like asking if cheeseburgers are burgers. The answer being yes.


Disagree. Cheeseburger is a burger by definition (burger + cheese). But cheesecake shares neither the ingredients nor form of a cake.

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Chairwoman Oomiya in tea party with Azur Deutschland leaders Julienne and Sylvia | Chairwoman Oomiya to receive delegation from various realms in celebration of 861st Birthday Gala
Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favorite things


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Postby Rusozak » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:07 pm

Is yellowcake uranium cake?
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Postby Baronet » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:08 pm

Cheesecake is not a cake as it often lacks critical ingredients (or their substitutions) such as a cooking oil, egg, and flour.

Cheesecakes bedecked to imitate pies such as key lime and lemon meringue; I shall not discuss, as they offend me in several critical ways.

Cheesecakes with fruit or chocolate are treated as what a cheesecake is, with toppings. And what is cheesecake?

An abomination of both cheese and sugar, which should not exist. Much like Ricotta pie. #makeitillegal
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