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Thai Protests to Reform Monarchy

Postby Suriyanakhon » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:05 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ch-blocked

Thousands of Thai protesters marched near the official residence of the king on Sunday to hand-deliver a letter demanding curbs on the power and budget of the royal family, in one of the boldest challenges to the institution in living memory.

Thailand’s monarchy has long been considered beyond direct public criticism, but over recent months a student-led pro-democracy movement has broken deeply ingrained taboos to call for reforms.

On Sunday morning, demonstrators laid a plaque in cement at Sanam Luang, an area near to the Grand Palace, which read: “This country belongs to the people and is not the property of the monarch as they have deceived us.”


Basically opinion about the current situation with the monarchy has been at a straining point for several months now and now there are protests about the role of monarchy in Thai society. For years the monarchy has been responsible for trampling human rights and often using lèse-majesté laws as a means to silence criticizers. I don't have much confidence that the students will succeed, but hopefully they'll set a precedent for the future. What say you, NSG?
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Postby Nuroblav » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:13 am

Good luck to them. Can't be certain, as you say, that it will work but it's a step in the right direction.
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Postby The North America Union » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:06 pm

Seems the young Thai populace really is much less traditional, and much more progressive then prior generations. Then again, it's hard to support a king who does nothing for his country, while upping corruption.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:13 pm

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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:28 pm

Perhaps the Thais should consider having the current king abdicate in favor of a more upright family member, just like the Brits did with Edward VIII.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:36 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Perhaps the Thais should consider having the current king abdicate in favor of a more upright family member, just like the Brits did with Edward VIII.


Britain has a much different form of government where the king has few political powers to begin with which are kept strictly confined in constitutional boundaries. The same does not apply to the political situation in Thailand.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:38 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Perhaps the Thais should consider having the current king abdicate in favor of a more upright family member, just like the Brits did with Edward VIII.


Britain has a much different form of government where the king has few political powers to begin with which are kept strictly confined in constitutional boundaries. The same does not apply to the political situation in Thailand.


Well, I don't think a king should be a politically powerless figurehead, but there should be some kind of constitutional controls on the king's powers. It seems to me like Britain could be a good model in that regard.
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Postby The North America Union » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:42 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Perhaps the Thais should consider having the current king abdicate in favor of a more upright family member, just like the Brits did with Edward VIII.


That's a good point. Get someone like Bhumibol Adulyadej who was widely revered, but not necessarily hereditary or anything.
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Postby Novus America » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:44 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Perhaps the Thais should consider having the current king abdicate in favor of a more upright family member, just like the Brits did with Edward VIII.


While that is definitely necessary, (the current king is a disaster) they still probably need other reforms, especially on the draconian Lèse-majesté laws.

Although the king is an easy target (being a dissolute and depraved sociopathic absentee playboy who is hiding in Germany) the problems are deeper than him.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:48 pm

Shit, is it time for another coup already?
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Postby The Romanian Confederacy » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:53 pm

Republic of Thailand anyone?

On second thought,I hope the protests gain at least some sort of victory
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:53 pm

I miss king Bhumibol already. I agree with the protestors, it is time to liberate Thailand from their oppressive monarchy, which was born out of the Siamese isolationist revolution
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Postby The Romanian Confederacy » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:53 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Shit, is it time for another coup already?

Yes, yes it is.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:56 pm

I respect the tenacity of these protesters, but feel cynical. I feel like anti-corruption and anti-monarchy protests are commonplace every few years or so in Thailand, and the end result is usually some short-term sense that change might come, but it never truly does.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:59 pm

Good for them, hope something good comes out of it.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:01 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:I miss king Bhumibol already. I agree with the protestors, it is time to liberate Thailand from their oppressive monarchy, which was born out of the Siamese isolationist revolution


Your sig says you support Trump. Isn't Trump as bad as or worse than King Vajiralongkorn in terms of morals and in terms of eroding America's free and democratic system of government? At least Vajiralongkorn has an illustrious aristocratic lineage; I am not sure what qualifications Trump has to lead a country.
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Postby Novus America » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:01 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Shit, is it time for another coup already?


The king is a just a puppet of the military though. The military likes him, because he uses his powers as the generals direct. They like that he is lazy and easy to control.
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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:02 pm

Major-Tom wrote:I respect the tenacity of these protesters, but feel cynical. I feel like anti-corruption and anti-monarchy protests are commonplace every few years or so in Thailand, and the end result is usually some short-term sense that change might come, but it never truly does.

About 5 years, it seems.

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Postby Feline Goetland » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:03 pm

Novus America wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Perhaps the Thais should consider having the current king abdicate in favor of a more upright family member, just like the Brits did with Edward VIII.


While that is definitely necessary, (the current king is a disaster) they still probably need other reforms, especially on the draconian Lèse-majesté laws.

Although the king is an easy target (being a dissolute and depraved sociopathic absentee playboy who is hiding in Germany) the problems are deeper than him.


Lese-majeste laws shouldn’t exist.
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The North America Union wrote:Seems the young Thai populace really is much less traditional, and much more progressive then prior generations. Then again, it's hard to support a king who does nothing for his country, while upping corruption.

What about Putin?
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:05 pm

Feline Goetland wrote:
Novus America wrote:While that is definitely necessary, (the current king is a disaster) they still probably need other reforms, especially on the draconian Lèse-majesté laws.

Although the king is an easy target (being a dissolute and depraved sociopathic absentee playboy who is hiding in Germany) the problems are deeper than him.


Lese-majeste laws shouldn’t exist.


I don't think the trashy tabloid articles spreading salacious and defamatory rumors about the British royal family should exist. As flawed as Thailand's laws might be, I think there are perfectly legitimate reasons for such laws to exist.
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Postby Novus America » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:07 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:I miss king Bhumibol already. I agree with the protestors, it is time to liberate Thailand from their oppressive monarchy, which was born out of the Siamese isolationist revolution


Your sig says you support Trump. Isn't Trump as bad as or worse than King Vajiralongkorn in terms of morals and in terms of eroding America's free and democratic system of government? At least Vajiralongkorn has an illustrious aristocratic lineage; I am not sure what qualifications Trump has to lead a country.


I mean at least Trump did not flee the country.
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Trump has his problems sure, but he is term limited and also not supposed to be a avatar of Buddha and such. Trump is not supposed to be a religious leader.
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Postby Feline Goetland » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:08 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Feline Goetland wrote:
Lese-majeste laws shouldn’t exist.


I don't think the trashy tabloid articles spreading salacious and defamatory rumors about the British royal family should exist. As flawed as Thailand's laws might be, I think there are perfectly legitimate reasons for such laws to exist.


We will probably not even be able to agree to disagree since you really have problems with the very concept of freedom. You remind me of Chinese traditionalists who just like communists are pure cancer.
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