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Postby Baghdad Caliphate » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:32 am

The first Shura Meeting, post refounding.

Members:
Wazir: Baghdad Caliphate
Emir: Ali Imam
Wazir aljaysh: Nouistan

I, the Wazir hereby call the Shura meeting to order. We shall be here to discuss several issues arising out of the recent changes.
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Postby Baghdad Caliphate » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:49 am

Let me start by saying that we are grateful to the All merciful Allah , by whose grace we could salvage the region from being refounded as a colony of Genua. But then, certain thoughts have crept into my mind in these days.
I, personally am not all happy with the new founder's tampering of our flag, which demeans our independence and makes us subservient to the United Empire of Islam.
Moreover, the WFE also reflects the name of UEI prominently, which stings our desire for true freedom.
I would like to hear from you all regarding the above two points.
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Postby Ali Imam » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:17 am

Well, the times are extraordinary now and we must not forget that it is the UEI who got us our freedom.The founder had told right at the beginning that we shall be able to control the region like before. So that will mean the WFE and the flag.I don't think the UEI will impose any flag if we don't want it.
That said, yes even I find the flag to be offensive and we must restore the old flag ASAP.

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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:19 am

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Postby Dawood Ibrahim » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:26 am

Thanks, Insanistan, but sorry, this is a closed thread for Islamic Empire members only.We will surely meet later.

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Postby Dawood Ibrahim » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:30 am

Baghdad Caliphate wrote:Let me start by saying that we are grateful to the All merciful Allah , by whose grace we could salvage the region from being refounded as a colony of Genua. But then, certain thoughts have crept into my mind in these days.
I, personally am not all happy with the new founder's tampering of our flag, which demeans our independence and makes us subservient to the United Empire of Islam.
Moreover, the WFE also reflects the name of UEI prominently, which stings our desire for true freedom.
I would like to hear from you all regarding the above two points.


We also believe that the flag must be restored in toto. If at all it is to be changed, the region will take a decision as a whole. Hence, the flag must be restored at the earliest.
Also, definitely we are indebted to the UEI for their immense help, but the mentioning of the UEI name will be indicative of IE being a colony of UEI. This may make us lose members or fail to attract new members. Whoever wants to join a colony region? Thus, the continuation of the UEI name in the WFE, will be detrimental to our future as a region.

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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:40 am

Dawood Ibrahim wrote:Thanks, Insanistan, but sorry, this is a closed thread for Islamic Empire members only.We will surely meet later.


Sorry, I didn’t realize.
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Postby Mughal Huqumat » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:03 pm

Baghdad Caliphate wrote:Let me start by saying that we are grateful to the All merciful Allah , by whose grace we could salvage the region from being refounded as a colony of Genua. But then, certain thoughts have crept into my mind in these days.
I, personally am not all happy with the new founder's tampering of our flag, which demeans our independence and makes us subservient to the United Empire of Islam.
Moreover, the WFE also reflects the name of UEI prominently, which stings our desire for true freedom.
I would like to hear from you all regarding the above two points.


At this moment, I feel we should refrain from inflammatory wordings, Dawood. I agree with Ali Imam, that the flag and WFE can be restored immediately as one of you has the necessary privileges. This can be done and does not even require any approval from anybody, because the restoration of the flag is one of the most important criteria after a raid.

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Postby Ali Imam » Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:58 am

I see that most of the nations have agreed upon the discontinuation of the UWI's name in the WFE and the restoration of the old flag.
I would like to request the Al Wazir Al Awwal to pleas declare a whole Majlis vote for the same ( comprising of all members) so that our action is democratic and is represantative.

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Postby Baghdad Caliphate » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:14 am

Ali Imam wrote:I see that most of the nations have agreed upon the discontinuation of the UWI's name in the WFE and the restoration of the old flag.
I would like to request the Al Wazir Al Awwal to pleas declare a whole Majlis vote for the same ( comprising of all members) so that our action is democratic and is represantative.


Put up the poll for all to vote upon. I too realize that we need the involvement of the whole region in this major decision.

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Postby Mughal Huqumat » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:14 am

Voted in the poll. Urge all to vote please.

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Postby Dawood Ibrahim » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:44 pm

Voted for option 1.
But in view of the founder addressing the region and changing the WFE, one part is already accomplished.
Regarding the flag, I have two options which might serve as our flag:
Option 1. Image

AND

Option 2: Image

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Postby Merneptah » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:07 pm

I prefer the second one.

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Postby Baghdad Caliphate » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:16 am

Dawood Ibrahim wrote:Voted for option 1.
But in view of the founder addressing the region and changing the WFE, one part is already accomplished.
Regarding the flag, I have two options which might serve as our flag:
Option 1. (Image)

AND

Option 2: (Image)


I would go with the first one. Someday we might be an assertive region.
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Postby Merneptah » Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:13 am

Regarding flags, the second one please.

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Nouistan
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Postby Nouistan » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:36 am

So I was completely unaware this was happening as I have been busy and not logged in. I would have to ask some questions, though

1. To clarify the issue is being seen as a colony more general, not specifically that it is UEI?
2. Given that another member of that racist region gained access to this region, would it be useful to temporally downplay our Islamic sensibilities - in an aesthetic sense at least - at least until they seem to have gotten bored with us?
3. Alternatively is anyone aware if this website has rules regarding respectful comments or any other means by which to report many of the nations in their region owing to Islamophobia and racism?

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Postby Baghdad Caliphate » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:08 am

To clarify Nouistan's queries:
1. Yes, being seen as a colony in general. Definitely not specifically about UEI. It is the case of a weaker region being helped by a stronger region, albeit with conditions.But the issue now has been sorted out.

2. Regarding downplaying our sensibilities, we could do that temporarily, but it won't help.Moreover, it will mean too much of bending backwards for buying peace. We can't change their mindset.After their failed attempt, they may have already become bored.

3. Planting a mole to takeover the region will not be considered an offense, it will be considered part of gameplay. I checked earlier, but as long as they do not refer to any RL incident, they are allowed to take a position against any group. Also, their gameplay against Muslims, who are not belonging to any race as such, may not qualify for rascist acts.
Except strictly explicit Nazi symbols like swastika etc, many Nazi things are also not banned.

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Nouistan
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Postby Nouistan » Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:29 am

Thank you BC. It is rather concerning that even Nazi flags aren't banned here, but hey. Many of the comments they had made have been targeting us as Muslims so there's some possibility there. If anyone has seen such posts and could send me the links I'm compiling a report to send to the administrators.

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Postby Baghdad Caliphate » Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:22 am

Looking at the new flags proposed by Dawood Ibrahim, the second flag is being selected for the region.

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Second Shoora Council Meeting

Postby Ali Imam » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:31 am

I invite the leaders of our region for the second Shoora Council meeting.
As discussed with Baghdad Caliphate, we wish to incorporate the following agenda :
1. Council expansion:
The Wazir and I agree upon appointing Mughal Sultanate and Dawood Ibrahim to the Shoora Council, as Minister of Culture and Minister of Internal Security. As Minister of Culture, Mughal Sultanate has to coordinate RPs and host events and festivals for the region. As Minister of Internal security, Dawood Ibrahim has to check the credentials of the new citizens to the region so as to eliminate any threats.
Both shall report to the Wazir.

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Mughal Huqumat
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Postby Mughal Huqumat » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:52 am

I thank the Wazir and Emir for appointing me as the Minister of Culture. It's truly an honor.The work is uphill, but I shall strive to deliver.

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Baghdad Caliphate
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Postby Baghdad Caliphate » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:39 am

I am sure that you will do a great job, Mughal Huqumat. Our region is growing from strength to strength. My only concern is the activity levels of our members.
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Postby Mughal Huqumat » Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:27 am

Well, we talked about a constitution and since nobody submitted a draft, I am submitting herewith my draft for a good constitution for the Islamic Empire. I am thankful to Ali Imam and Baghdad Caliphate to guide me with the direction and scope of the constitution.
Here is the one:
We, the citizen nations of the Islamic Empire, solemnly resolve to adopt a new constitution which shall gurantee freedom, equality and rule of law in the comity of nations which constitute it's membership and hereby frame the following legal guidelines which shall be in immediate effect for the governance of the region:-
I. The Islamic Empire shall be a combination of oligarchy and democracy.
1(a) The nations of Ali Imam, Baghdad Caliphate, Mughal Huqumat and Dawood Ibrahim and Tazikistan, being the earliest native members of the region, shall be the permanent members of the Supreme policy making executive called the Shoora Council.

1(b) The Loya Jirga will be the Parliament with powers to legislate. All members of the region will be members of the Loya Jirga. Laws passed by the Loya Jirga must be mandatorily approved by the Shoora Council. Any member in the Loya Jirga may be called up to be part of the Shoora Council. All 5 Shoora Council members shall have all powers: viz, border controls, communication, embassies, appearance and polls.

1(c) The cabinet of ministers is the executive body headed by WAZIR AL AWWAL,elected in elections held every 90 days (under normal conditions). He appoints the ministers and shall have communication, appearance, embassies and polls.
II. THE SHOORA COUNCIL :
The supreme power shall be vested in a 5 permanent member council called the Shoora Council, as per clause 1(a), whose permanent members shall also hold the responsibility of formulation of regional policy, approve legislation passed by the Loya Jirga, grant citizenship, declare emergency and act as the Supreme Court of the region. The head of the Shoora council will be the Ayatollah.
III. THE AYATOLLAH:
The AYATOLLAH shall be elected by the Shoora Council every 30 days and will be the spiritual head of the region and shall have the authority to guard the region and eject/banject any raiding nation or nation affiliated with raiders or nations working for the destabilization of the region. The decision shall have post-facto approval of the Shoora Council by a simple majority. He shall hold the post of delegate of the region.The AYATOLLAH may declare a state of emergency if he is satisified that the region faces threat (whether internal or external). The decision to lock the region may be taken by the AYATOLLAH after imposition of emergency. This however shall need post facto approval of the Shoora Council with a simple majority.
IV. WAZIR AL AWWAL and his Cabinet:
1.The WAZIR AL AWWAL shall be the elected executive head of the region and shall be answerable to the Shoora Council. He will also hold a vote in the Shoora council as invited member.

2. The WAZIR AL AWWAL or his foreign minister can also build embassies with other regions, which shall be approved by the Shoora Council by a simple majority.

3. The WAZIR AL AWWAL may also appoint an EMIR from amongst the other Shoora Council members , who will act as foreign minister.The EMIR will be in charge of forging alliances with other regions and his actions shall require the WAZIR AL AWWAL's assent and passed by majority of the Shoora Council.

4. In addition, a minister for internal security( interior) may be appointed from the Loya Jirga by the Wazir Al Awwal.He shall be in charge of recruitment and internal security and also monitor the RMB for any unlawful, activity. He shall recommend to the WAZIR AL AWWAL for suppression of posts if deemed necessary for the interest of the region and also issue warning to members for violating NS ettiquettes.The Wazir Al Awwal may grant him power of communication and polls in the region.

V. LEGISLATION
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Any member of the region may propose a bill to the Loya Jirga, which shall be debated and then voted upon with a majority to make it Act. The Act must be approved by the Shoora Council and signed by the AYATOLLAH to become a law.
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Postby Baghdad Caliphate » Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:18 pm

Thanks for your effort, Mughal Huqumat. I have already seen it. So I am Ok with it.

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Ali Imam
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Postby Ali Imam » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:34 pm

I concur with the constitution. I will request to put up a poll for the whole region to vote on. The debate can continue here.
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