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Free Speech:「Yes or No」

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What is freedom of speech?

"Pure" freedom of speech, with no limitations by government or individuals, even for hateful content
265
38%
Freedom of speech with no restrictions by the government, but individuals can censor or restrict others (ie, companies or internet forums can deplatform someone)
224
32%
Freedom of speech with restrictions on hateful speech by the government, but not individuals (ie, the government decides what is hateful, and private companies take this as a guideline)
88
13%
Freedom of speech with hateful speech restricted by government and individuals
70
10%
No freedom of speech at all
23
3%
Other (Please specify in comments below)
25
4%
 
Total votes : 695

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Free Speech:「Yes or No」

Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:28 am

There are many questions surrounding how much free speech a society should have. Some argue that hate speech should be banned, others advocate for "pure free speech", with no restrictions at all. So, what it everyone's opinions regarding free speech? Should there be restrictions, what kind of restrictions should or shouldn't exist, and who decides?

Edit for my personal opinion:
I believe that there should be as few restrictions as necessary, but there are inherently damaging ideologies such as racism, sexism, religious discrimination and other forms of speech that should be heavily discouraged, if not monitored. But that is my personal opinion, and I think everyone can debate themselves.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:31 am

What is your opinion OP?

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Postby Asvala » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:31 am

Everyone should have freedom of speech. We all want to express our thoughts about things. Restricting it violates human rights.

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Postby Neuer Deutsches Reich » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:31 am

Freedom or censorship and dictatorship.

People stop making these stupid polls, it helps nobody. You should already know the answer...

Also hate speech is free speech. If you ban hate speech you ban free speech, there is no exception.
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Postby Tranzoria » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:32 am

Free Speech is the best kind of Certain Freedom you can have. But sometimes, like in the US a lot, it is used for Discriminating, Racism, and other horrible things. So there are limitations. If we combined Germany and the US's Main Rights, it would be a good form of Free Speech. If we made it that a limit of free speech for Racism was given, it would be better.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:34 am

What is your opinion OP?


I believe that there should be as few restrictions as necessary, but there are inherently damaging ideologies such as racism, sexism, religious discrimination and other forms of speech that should be heavily discouraged, if not monitored. But that is my personal opinion, and I think everyone can debate themselves.
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Postby Empirical Switzerland » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:34 am

It may not always be best, but free speech should be equal for EVERYONE, reguardless of political belief, no matter how bad their beliefs may be.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:34 am


People stop making these stupid polls, it helps nobody. You should already know the answer...



There were a lot of people discussing this in another thread, so I created this one.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:36 am

Sanghyeok wrote:
What is your opinion OP?


I believe that there should be as few restrictions as necessary, but there are inherently damaging ideologies such as racism, sexism, religious discrimination and other forms of speech that should be heavily discouraged, if not monitored. But that is my personal opinion, and I think everyone can debate themselves.

You need to add this to your OP. Not a mod, but the mods do require that.

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Postby Atheris » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:36 am

Universal free speech is the cornerstone of a free society. Not having free speech makes as much sense as not having a flag or an anthem.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:37 am

Atheris wrote:Universal free speech is the cornerstone of a free society. Not having free speech makes as much sense as not having a flag or an anthem.

I'm for minimal restrictions myself.

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Postby Neuer Deutsches Reich » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:39 am

Sanghyeok wrote:

People stop making these stupid polls, it helps nobody. You should already know the answer...



There were a lot of people discussing this in another thread, so I created this one.

We already had threads like this, full of idiots. There is only one answer. No restriction by government or company, the only freedom is total freedom. Any form of restriction is blocking a persons beliefs or opinion and that is how you end up in dictatorships. Also who decides what is hate speech? If it’s the SJW than I can’t say a single word anymore.
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Postby Minskiev » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:39 am

This again?
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Postby Atheris » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:39 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Atheris wrote:Universal free speech is the cornerstone of a free society. Not having free speech makes as much sense as not having a flag or an anthem.

I'm for minimal restrictions myself.

I feel that any restriction is too much restriction, myself.
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Postby Rainbow Forest » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:40 am

Free speech is good but a lot of people who advocate for total free speech get upset when some one criticizes their opinion. Freedom of speech also allows your enemies to speak as much as you. Just a thought.
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Postby Neuer Deutsches Reich » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:41 am

Atheris wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I'm for minimal restrictions myself.

I feel that any restriction is too much restriction, myself.

Sorry we see this as hating the new hate speech law and you shall now be arrested
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Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:41 am

Minskiev wrote:This again?


There were comments on another thread which started derailing it, so I created this post.
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:42 am

Freedom from most government censorship. Companies should be allowed to deplatform people or restrict what can be done on their platforms.

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Postby Atheris » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:43 am

Rainbow Forest wrote:Free speech is good but a lot of people who advocate for total free speech get upset when some one criticizes their opinion. Freedom of speech also allows your enemies to speak as much as you. Just a thought.

Opinions are meant to be debated. Getting irrationally upset when someone targets your opinions in a society where free speech is a cornerstone is stupid.

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Atheris wrote:I feel that any restriction is too much restriction, myself.

Sorry we see this as hating the new hate speech law and you shall now be arrested

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If I have to hear one more person spouting bullshit about the free marketplace of ideas, I will flip a table.
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:47 am

Neuer Deutsches Reich wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
There were a lot of people discussing this in another thread, so I created this one.

We already had threads like this, full of idiots. There is only one answer. No restriction by government or company, the only freedom is total freedom. Any form of restriction is blocking a persons beliefs or opinion and that is how you end up in dictatorships. Also who decides what is hate speech? If it’s the SJW than I can’t say a single word anymore.

This is a short-sighted view in my book. The owner of this forum (by way of example) should be allowed to set rules and enforce them. Otherwise every site with user comments would become a cesspit full of racism, porn, and gore.
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Everything short of direct incitement should be allowed.

Black people are icky should be ok,
Let's kill all the black people should not.
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Ethel mermania wrote:Everything short of direct incitement should be allowed.

Black people are icky should be ok,
Let's kill all the black people, should not.


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Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:52 am

Kowani wrote:If I have to hear one more person spouting bullshit about the free marketplace of ideas, I will flip a table.
It doesn’t exist. It’s an ahistorical fiction which only serves to give cover to ideas which seek to subvert the public square and shut down free speech as a whole.


Quite often, there are a lot of times when pure free speech tends to lead to less free speech (for example, if pure free speech allows Fascists, then Fascists' will inevitably remove free speech.)
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