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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:50 am

I will put up a poll, when I'm aware of all the options you might want to vote for.


Love and hate, are the intuitive opposites.

But I don't do hate. I don't believe in it. I think everyone, and society at large, would be better off if they could deconstruct hate into its constituent elements of fear, regret, shame, and incomprehension. But mostly fear.

So put hate out of your mind. Try to imagine that all your relations with other people are somewhere on this triad: Love, respect, and fear.

Now I will ask something more of you, before you post. It is difficult for me. Many of you have a partner, and towards them your probably feel so much love that it drowns out the fact that you are rude to shop staff, or did the dirty on a work colleague to get them out of the line of promotion. I'm going to ask you please, to try to background partners, or family, or close friends. Or anyone you did the dirty on. Try to objective.

Try to answer from your heart, whether you are a Loving person, a Respectful person, or a Fearful person. If you like, put yourself somewhere in the triad. And of course you can dissent, propose other models, any kind of constructive thought to save the thread from miserable failure. You have an opinion? Admit it.

Are you a Fear person? A Respect person? Or a Love person?

I personally am a Fear person. I am sometimes coaxed out of my shell to express Respect.
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Postby Thepeopl » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:58 am

What happened with repulsion, disdain, disgust
And friendly, generous and bubbly? And Angry/ aggressive.

I would fall in the happy, loving and generous category.
I try to treat everyone with respect.

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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:06 am

It depends, I can be extremely warm and friendly and selfless, but I can also be petty and vengeful. I think I'd land in the respect column, I always try to be straightforward, honest and generally accept uncomfortable confrontations as a necessary part of communicating and finding mutual ground between someone you may be frustrated with. And I have those traits because I genuinely believe that just cutting through the crap and being authentic, even if it's not in your best interest in the short-term, is respectful, even if it's not always loving.

I can't comment on the fear aspect, I rarely am ever motivated by fear, except maybe fear of failure that drives me to work at a self-destructive pace.
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Postby Nuroblav » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:15 am

I think I'm somewhere in the middle, leaning between love and respect. I'm not a fan of fear and strive to avoid it where possible, but sometimes it does seem to be sort of a motivation on occasion. I take a disliking to using it to gain support however.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:16 am

the opposite of love is not hate,
The opposite of love is indifference.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:18 am

Thepeopl wrote:What happened with repulsion, disdain, disgust
And friendly, generous and bubbly? And Angry/ aggressive.

I would fall in the happy, loving and generous category.
I try to treat everyone with respect.


You do come across as the loving kind.

Bearing in mind that there will be only 9 options in the poll, would you be satisfied with just Loving? Or should I consider Friendly/Angry also for options?
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:20 am

Ethel mermania wrote:the opposite of love is not hate,
The opposite of love is indifference.


This profound.

However. I am not going to put "indifferent" in the poll.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:22 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:the opposite of love is not hate,
The opposite of love is indifference.


This profound.

However. I am not going to put "indifferent" in the poll.

As long as Hasselhoff is in there, I am good.
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Postby Thepeopl » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:27 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Thepeopl wrote:What happened with repulsion, disdain, disgust
And friendly, generous and bubbly? And Angry/ aggressive.

I would fall in the happy, loving and generous category.
I try to treat everyone with respect.


You do come across as the loving kind.


Thank you!
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Bearing in mind that there will be only 9 options in the poll, would you be satisfied with just Loving? Or should I consider Friendly/Angry also for options?


Friendly would be a mixture of loving/ respectful I guess so you can drop that one. But I think the angry/ prickly /grumpy category should be added . I'm not sure how you "should" name it.
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Postby Cordel One » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:09 am

I'd say I'm somewhere between love and respect, and while fear isn't really a big motive of mine anger absolutely is.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:33 am

Mostly disgust and aversion these days!
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:35 am

I'm a respect kind of guy. I have a set of morals I live by and don't violate and as far as I'm concerned, other rules can go to hell.
The devil is out there. Hiding behind every corner and in every nook and cranny. In all of the dives, all over the city. Before you lays an entire world of enemies, and at day's end when the chips are down, we're a society of strangers. You cant walk by someone on the street anymore without crossing the road to get away from their stare. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. The land of plague and shadow. Nothing innocent survives this world. If it can't corrupt you, it'll kill you.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:39 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Mostly disgust and aversion these days!


Aversion I can easily align with fear.

Disgust is interesting. Like regret, it is retrospective?
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:45 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I'm a respect kind of guy. I have a set of morals I live by and don't violate and as far as I'm concerned, other rules can go to hell.


With respect, you don't seem very respectful. ;)

Being aware of other people's moral rules, and compromising your own if they will compromise theirs, is respect.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:52 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I'm a respect kind of guy. I have a set of morals I live by and don't violate and as far as I'm concerned, other rules can go to hell.


With respect, you don't seem very respectful. ;)

Being aware of other people's moral rules, and compromising your own if they will compromise theirs, is respect.

I respectfully disagree
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:57 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Mostly disgust and aversion these days!


Aversion I can easily align with fear.

Disgust is interesting. Like regret, it is retrospective?


It can be but it needn't necessarily be so.

"Fear" is commonly thought of as connotating irrationality (although by dictionary definitions it needn't be so), whereas aversion sounds a bit more neutral.

It's a problem with emotive words - the words we use to describe them often get our own emotional biases attached with regards to whether we personally see the emotion as legitimate.
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Postby Dominioan » Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:00 pm

Somewhere around Fearful Probably. But I don’t think fear is the right word.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:03 pm

I use to want to be loved, now I prefer to be feared

Its easier that way.
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Postby Cordel One » Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:49 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:I use to want to be loved, now I prefer to be feared

Its easier that way.

This sounds like some movie villain monologue
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:18 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I use to want to be loved, now I prefer to be feared

Its easier that way.

This sounds like some movie villain monologue

You spend 10 years in middle management, and then we can talk.
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Postby Grand Proudhonia » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:45 pm

You must realize that no one can truly judge their own personality? We all will most certaintly look at ourselves as better than we truly are... even the devils of this world saw themselves as the good guys.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:15 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I'm a respect kind of guy. I have a set of morals I live by and don't violate and as far as I'm concerned, other rules can go to hell.


With respect, you don't seem very respectful. ;)

Being aware of other people's moral rules, and compromising your own if they will compromise theirs, is respect.


I dont compromise. See, the moral boundaries I set i don't cross, and rules that I don't see a purpose for i don't follow unless there's a high chance ill get caught.

For example, until recently it was illegal to smoke weed in Michigan. Guess who was toking weekly?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:19 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
With respect, you don't seem very respectful. ;)

Being aware of other people's moral rules, and compromising your own if they will compromise theirs, is respect.


I dont compromise. See, the moral boundaries I set i don't cross, and rules that I don't see a purpose for i don't follow unless there's a high chance ill get caught.

For example, until recently it was illegal to smoke weed in Michigan. Guess who was toking weekly?

That doesnt really answer hobo's question.

Do you smoke in front of people who ask you not too, just to be defiant, or do you respect their wishes?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:25 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I dont compromise. See, the moral boundaries I set i don't cross, and rules that I don't see a purpose for i don't follow unless there's a high chance ill get caught.

For example, until recently it was illegal to smoke weed in Michigan. Guess who was toking weekly?

That doesnt really answer hobo's question.

Do you smoke in front of people who ask you not too, just to be defiant, or do you respect their wishes?


Maybe I worded my response poorly. I wont compromise on things I think are wrong. For example let's say there's a drunk guy in the room passed out and his wallet is open and there's a $5 bill. I could get away with stealing it. But I won't because thats his $5 bill. Even if it wouldn't really affect him to lose $5, I wouldn't even steal 5 cents from him. And no one could make me do it. Thats what I mean by I don't compromise my values. Not "you told me please don't smoke around the children and I said fuck you."

Conversely if something I felt morally obligated to do was against the mores or rules, I would do it. There was a guy I knew named Nick and a guy groped his sister and forced himself on her, so Nick in response found the guy and smashed open a locker door with his head. You see what I'm talking about? Picking up what I'm putting down here?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:35 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:That doesnt really answer hobo's question.

Do you smoke in front of people who ask you not too, just to be defiant, or do you respect their wishes?


Maybe I worded my response poorly. I wont compromise on things I think are wrong. For example let's say there's a drunk guy in the room passed out and his wallet is open and there's a $5 bill. I could get away with stealing it. But I won't because thats his $5 bill. Even if it wouldn't really affect him to lose $5, I wouldn't even steal 5 cents from him. And no one could make me do it. Thats what I mean by I don't compromise my values. Not "you told me please don't smoke around the children and I said fuck you."

Conversely if something I felt morally obligated to do was against the mores or rules, I would do it. There was a guy I knew named Nick and a guy groped his sister and forced himself on her, so Nick in response found the guy and smashed open a locker door with his head. You see what I'm talking about? Picking up what I'm putting down here?

Yes, I think this is a clearer, and better answer.

In a similar situation I would not be calling the cops on nick either.
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