What if Islam never existed?

[Norastan]

Islam is the world's second largest religion and the fastest growing religion. Islam was founded 610 AD after Muhammad supposedly received revelations from God/Allah through the angel, Gabriel. It was rejected by the public officials of Mecca, where Muhammad tried to spread it first, but was accepted and spread among the people of Medina, where it started to spread outside the city rapidly. After the death of Muhammad, the Rashidun Caliphate was the first major caliphate in the history of the world. But what if all of this never happened, say like Meccan officials decided to execute him instead of imprisoning him, or Muhammad never supposedly received those revelations, or Muhammad was never born? What would happen to India since the Mughals wouldn't exist, what would happen to the Byzantine Empire? What would happen to Egypt if the Mamluks wouldn't exist? Would this affect how the Mongols expanded throughout Eurasia? What happens to the Holy Land? How would the Crusades play out? Would this affect the Protestant Reformation? What do you guys think?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

There may have never been a protestant reformation had Islam not existed. Butterfly effect and all that shit.

[Aureumterra]

The butterfly effect of this is so insanely massive that it’s pointless to make assumptions. Just an example, without Islam, there would be no hegemonic "enemy" for Christianity to unite against, there would also be no Ottomans, or the same way the Ottomans were viewed Europe, meaning no fall of Constantinople, meaning Europe never gets cut off from the spice trade, meaning no one is desperate to find a sea route to India, meaning the New World is discovered much later.

[Smenovekhovtia]

Its hard to say that Christianity would have even developed in the same way without Islam as its counterbalace so who knows...

Genuinely though all these what ifs as of late are kinda worthless from a discussion view point, history is way to interconnected to ask what would happen if something went differently 1000+ years ago. Its much better to keep what ifs near the present. What if 9/11 never happened can be discussed. What if Islam didnt exist really cant just because of all the historical baggage of the religion

[The Unified Missourtama States]

"what if Earth never existed?"
um...?

This also feels like it might tread into violent anti-Islamic territory.

[Minskiev]

Not very sure, but Catholic Christiandom being hegemonic is likely.

TUMS, it’s a what if, not an if only. It’s not offensive at all. It’s a hypothetical, and it’s impartial.

[Great Mann]

The Butterfly Effect is too great to accurately speculate what a world without Islam would be exactly, but one thing I know is that a lot of great works would have been lost (in particular the Ancient Hellenes' works) or simply not created. That would be a huge blow to our collective Western civilisations.

It's likely the Middle East would be split between Christians and whatever Zoroastrianism turns into or what succeeds it. North Africa would be would be Latin and Christian, so the entirety of Africa would gradually become Christian as the ages pass.

South Asia would remain Hindu and Buddhist, with the Persian religions likely extending far into Central Asia until it meets the Sinic and Indian faiths.

Also, no crusades, so the Eastern Roman Empire remains. The Baltic states are likely to have remained pagan for far, far longer as the Northern Crusades wouldn't happen. No Teutonic Knights, too.

[New yugoslavaia]

"what if Earth never existed?"
um...?

This also feels like it might tread into violent anti-Islamic territory.

In other news, the sun sets once a day.

[Cordel One]

Just like the other major religions, the history of the entire world would be different and some other major religion would exist. I have no idea if this would make things better or worse, but I'm positive there would be irrational hatred toward them regardless.

[Minskiev]

Would this mean a Buddhist 9/11? Just a thought.

[Sanghyeok]

That's the same as asking "What if England" didn't exist. Going back 10 years and being hypothetical with a small thing is possible. Going back 100 years is difficult. Going nearly one-and-a-half millennium and removing one of the most influential religions is impossible to comprehend.

[Kowani]

Would this mean a Buddhist 9/11? Just a thought.

Only if you entirely ignore the history of the Middle East.

[Cordel One]

Would this mean a Buddhist 9/11? Just a thought.

Probably not exactly, but with America's terrible foreign policy strategies some sort of major terrorist attack still would have been inevitable.

[Sanghyeok]

Would this mean a Buddhist 9/11? Just a thought.

In this timeline, Cambodia funds terrorist Buddhists, 9/11 occurs in 1968. This gives the US the excuse to invade poor Vietnam anyways.

[Grand Proudhonia]

Honestly kinda feel like this tread has a bit of a ethnic baiting undertone to it but idk

[Eperan]

Perhaps a butterfly effect from the fall of Islam and most major religions would also lead to further scientific advancement because religious persecutions and technological halts wouldn't have happened. But literally everything would be different in some way, as has been repeated by most on this thread. So maybe we would be living in like the 24th century or something.

[Sanghyeok]

Honestly kinda feel like this tread has a bit of a ethnic baiting undertone to it but idk

It does feel dangerous.

[Paddy O Fernature]

I imagine that the world would have been a much better place.

[Grand Proudhonia]

I imagine that the world would have been a much better place.

And there it is...

[Aureumterra]

Would this mean a Buddhist 9/11? Just a thought.

Probably not exactly, but with America's terrible foreign policy strategies some sort of major terrorist attack still would have been inevitable.

Would America exist?

[Sanghyeok]

I imagine that the world would have been a much better place.

And there it is...

At least we lasted nearly 20 replies before racism came.

[Grand Proudhonia]

Probably not exactly, but with America's terrible foreign policy strategies some sort of major terrorist attack still would have been inevitable.

Would America exist?

Would anything logically exist?

For all we know the damn rapture could have actually occurred

[Paddy O Fernature]

I imagine that the world would have been a much better place.

And there it is...

Try again.

Would America exist?

Would anything logically exist?

For all we know the damn rapture could have actually occurred

Except for that to have happened, god in some way shape or form would have had to exist in the first place.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I imagine that the world would have been a much better place.

We wouldn't have Islamic terrorism that's for sure.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The Byzantine Empire would still exist, which is obviously beneficial to the entire human race.