[DRAFT] Repeal "Prevention of Torture"

[Hycalon]

Acknowledging that torture is inhumane, cruel, and degrading,

Further acknowledging that the act of torture can be seen as a crime against humanity,

However, considering the existence of terrorism and terrorists in various nation states,

Taking into account the very violent, deplorable, and despicable acts committed by terrorists,

Also keeping in mind the probable benefits to national and international security of torturing individuals who are known or proven to be classified as terrorists in accordance with the "WA Counterterrorism Act",

Seeking to replace "Prevention of Torture", to exclude terrorists under the protection of this law,

Hereby repeals "Prevention of Torture".

[Crabulonia]

Acknowledging that torture is inhumane, cruel, and degrading,

Further acknowledging that the act of torture can be seen as a crime against humanity,

However, considering the existence of terrorism and terrorists in various nation states,

Taking into account the very violent, deplorable, and despicable acts committed by terrorists,

Also keeping in mind the probable benefits to national and international security of torturing individuals who are known or proven to be classified as terrorists in accordance with the "WA Counterterrorism Act",

Seeking to replace "Prevention of Torture", to exclude terrorists under the protection of this law,

Hereby repeals "Prevention of Torture".

A thousand times no! It's not like some people don't deserve torture but to even temporarily remove the act, and to subvert the next one, would be fatal. (OOC: While it may be game mechanics) How many WA nations might abuse this system?

[Freeoplis]

We would oppose strongly any such repeal on the basis that torture for whatever reason and in whatever context is in our view morally questionable. When it comes to torture the end should never justify the means.

[Grays Harbor]

We shall not assist in the promotion of barbarism, and as such shall vigorously oppose any attempt to repeal the Prevention of Torture resolution.

[Manticore Reborn]

Also keeping in mind the probable benefits to national and international security of torturing individuals who are known or proven to be classified as terrorists in accordance with the "WA Counterterrorism Act",

House of Cards violation.

[Sagatagan]

Acknowledging that torture is inhumane, cruel, and degrading,

Further acknowledging that the act of torture can be seen as a crime against humanity,

However, considering the existence of terrorism and terrorists in various nation states,

Taking into account the very violent, deplorable, and despicable acts committed by terrorists,

Also keeping in mind the probable benefits to national and international security of torturing individuals who are known or proven to be classified as terrorists in accordance with the "WA Counterterrorism Act",

Seeking to replace "Prevention of Torture", to exclude terrorists under the protection of this law,

Hereby repeals "Prevention of Torture".

We absolutely oppose this. 25,000 men and women of our militia were recently tortured to death as POWs because they were seen as 'terrorists' by a non-WA nation. Allowing the torture of of 'terrorists' allows the torture of legitimate militias who simply happen to not be affiliated with a State, which is harmful to nations like ours, who operate from a polycentric, not monocentric, power structure. We already have to fear execution and torture from non-WA nations. We should not have to fear it from WA nations who would seek to use vague definitions of terrorism to target non-state actors while maintaining the legitimacy of their own state terrorism.

[Hycalon]

We in no way shape or form condone acts which are classified as torture and neither do we believe that there is anyone who at all deserves to be tortured; however, there was a rationale behind this proposal to repeal this resolution.

We found that though the "WA Counterterrorism Act" provides for the prosecution of terrorists to the fullest extent of national and international laws, it does not provide an avenue by which governments can obtain information from said individuals. Punishing an individual for acts of terror may be enough for some, but without getting important information from that one terrorist about his/her own terrorist faction/s or current plans that may have been undertaken at the time of his/her arrest may prove to be detrimental to the fight against terrorism. As such, we feel that the WA is more on a reactionary basis rather than a preventive basis when it comes to terrorism. Furthermore, we would like to assume that no WA nation would ever negotiate with terrorists, and thus this was the only avenue by which our government could see on how to extract vital information from said individuals.

However, despite my own nation's view and ideals, having heard my esteemed and honorable colleagues' emphatic yet reasonable and logical responses, I humbly withdraw this plan to repeal "Prevention of Torture".

[The Swiss Guardsmen]

A thousand times yes! Let us know if our government can help this resolution along in any way possible!

-The Office of the Swiss Guardsmen's State Department

[Philimbesi]

We found that though the "WA Counterterrorism Act" provides for the prosecution of terrorists to the fullest extent of national and international laws, it does not provide an avenue by which governments can obtain information from said individuals.

An avenue doesn't need to be spelled out in international law, there are legal ways to get information from people that don't violate Prevention of Torture.

Furthermore torture is for the most part ineffective in extraction useful information, and more times than not will yield information that the subject feels the torturer will want to hear.

There is also something to be said for the backfiring of the tactic, with the subject either providing information that is intended to mislead authorities, or if the torture of the individual is publicized it can actually generate more terrorists than it catches.

[Nullarni]

Now, why is terrorism a need to repeal "Prevention of Torture"? Oh, wait. It was withdrawn. Hey, stop resurrecting dead proposals, The Swiss Guardsmen!

[Philimbesi]

Slips under desk...

[Nullarni]

Slips under desk...

[The Swiss Guardsmen]

Torture is extreamely useful in gathering information! Anyone who is naive enough to say it's not has obviously not tried it themselves. It's not barbaric, and it's not wrong. After all, terrorists and criminals don't have any "rights" to speak of, because they are not people, they are "...worth less than dirt..." and Hycalon, why withdraw it? Don't back down just because a few spineless "nay-sayers" are up in arms over a good idea! They're are a lot of supporters that agree with your opinions! For all those who oppose the use of torture, how do you suppose we get our infomation then? Perhaps saying "please" and bribing them with milk and cookies will crack the shell of a hardened terrorists, but I'm not ready to rest my nations safety on that method quite yet. We will stick to our "old ways."

-The Office of the Swiss Guardsmen's State Department

[Flibbleites]

A thousand times yes! Let us know if our government can help this resolution along in any way possible!

-The Office of the Swiss Guardsmen's State Department

Please don't gravedig.