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[DRAFT] Virtual Girls, Real Trouble

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Sanghyeok
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[DRAFT] Virtual Girls, Real Trouble

Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:48 pm

Eligibility: Not applicable for countries that banned computers or the internet
This issue was inspired by recent controversy regarding fictional R18 content on online platforms and subsequent banning due to underaged characters, as well as various countries prohibiting import of erotic fictional content from Japan.

On return from the country of Yamato, your brother brought home a copy of the very popular game My Homeroom Teacher can't be this Cute! Unfortunately for him, he was stopped at @@NATION@@'s borders, and arrested. The reason? The game is banned under obscenity laws since it contains erotic content depicting fictional characters who appear under the age of eighteen. After he was bailed, a group of policy-makers and concerned parents have joined your brother in trying to convince you to do something.

1. "It's just a game!" screams your brother. "Why ban fictional content, when quite clearly they don't exist? You should remove this ridiculous legislation and let us exercise our free speech laws.....and our love life!"
Result: Games depicting questionably aged characters in risque positions are all the rage.

2. "Uphold the ban! Down with perverts!" chants @@RANDOMNAME@@, representative of the Concerned Mothers Group of @@NATION@@. "Don't you know that this kind of game is a slippery slope? In fact, don't just ban this game...ban all fictional content that depict underage minors in suggestive poses!"
Result: Drawing children in sunhats is now forbidden.

3. "This is all the problem of that damned Internet!" says @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Remove the Internet, and the good day of morality can come back."
Result: The internet is banned in @@NATION@@

4. "I have a better idea" says the @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Those people in Yamato are causing our country to run a huge deficit in trade! It's bad, bad trade I can tell you. I can make it smaller, so let's start a trade war, it'll be easy to win!"
Result: Yamato and @@NATION@@ have decided size does matter when it comes to trade volume.
Last edited by Sanghyeok on Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:54 pm, edited 2 times in total.

サンヒョク社会主義連合連邦
我が祖国は、革命の赤旗を守る!世界の労働者万歳 統一戦線万歳 どんな時も その眩しさ 覚えていた
Chairwoman Oomiya in tea party with Azur Deutschland leaders Julienne and Sylvia | Chairwoman Oomiya to receive delegation from various realms in celebration of 861st Birthday Gala
Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favorite things


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Trotterdam
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:33 pm

I believe the editors have expressed an unwillingness to accept issues that feature child porn in any way, even a borderline one such as this. You'd have to ask them, though, I suppose.

In any case, the options aren't very good. Both options 3 and 4 seem irrelevant to the subject at hand - manga magazines would remain as a distribution platform even without the internet or even electronics of any sort (the video game that sparked the debate doesn't even seem to be on the internet? being stopped at a border checkpoint suggests that the accused was carrying a physical copy of the game, not downloading it), and while especially associated with Japan in real life, non-live-action porn can in principle be made in other nations, including any nation that chose #801 option 4.

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Sanghyeok
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Postby Sanghyeok » Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:32 am

Thank you for the comments. Do you think it's better to try to fix it or just give up on this issue.

サンヒョク社会主義連合連邦
我が祖国は、革命の赤旗を守る!世界の労働者万歳 統一戦線万歳 どんな時も その眩しさ 覚えていた
Chairwoman Oomiya in tea party with Azur Deutschland leaders Julienne and Sylvia | Chairwoman Oomiya to receive delegation from various realms in celebration of 861st Birthday Gala
Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favorite things


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SherpDaWerp
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Postby SherpDaWerp » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:01 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:Thank you for the comments. Do you think it's better to try to fix it or just give up on this issue.

Well, unless you can remove the entire bit about the underaged characters, it's unlikely to be published. If you can manage that, go ahead, but otherwise there's not much point drafting the issue when the premise itself bars it from publication.

Maybe you could ask pruder nations about whether animated porn in general is OK, considering no real @@DEMONYMNOUNPLURAL@@ have to perform obscene acts to make it. You'd have to be careful that it doesn't just become a super easy decision (i.e. "well, my nation is moral and pure so obviously there's no porn at all. Ban it, done and dusted") but I think that might work.

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Trotterdam
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Postby Trotterdam » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:41 pm

SherpDaWerp wrote:Maybe you could ask pruder nations about whether animated porn in general is OK, considering no real @@DEMONYMNOUNPLURAL@@ have to perform obscene acts to make it. You'd have to be careful that it doesn't just become a super easy decision (i.e. "well, my nation is moral and pure so obviously there's no porn at all. Ban it, done and dusted") but I think that might work.
Eh, I don't think the actors are the main problem with live-action porn to begin with. In most nations that ban porn much of that stuff would still be legal so long as you're not being filmed.

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SherpDaWerp
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Postby SherpDaWerp » Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:51 am

Trotterdam wrote:
SherpDaWerp wrote:Maybe you could ask pruder nations about whether animated porn in general is OK, considering no real @@DEMONYMNOUNPLURAL@@ have to perform obscene acts to make it. You'd have to be careful that it doesn't just become a super easy decision (i.e. "well, my nation is moral and pure so obviously there's no porn at all. Ban it, done and dusted") but I think that might work.
Eh, I don't think the actors are the main problem with live-action porn to begin with. In most nations that ban porn much of that stuff would still be legal so long as you're not being filmed.

The point is that @@DEMONYM@@ aren't involved in the filming (either the camera operators watching other people do it, or doing it themselves). I can see a niche case that someone could make - "Other countries draw it. No true human souls are harmed - and it's not a crime to watch cartoons - so why don't we let our @@DEMONYM@@ enjoy such animated content?"

Maybe for maximally-prude/religious nations, people want to have pornographic material, so they've decided to deal with cartoons instead. Come to think of it, that sounds vaguely like how hentai etc. started in Japan - censorship restricted what they could watch, but for some reason erotic cartoons weren't prohibited, so they went with that.

If you (@Sanghyeok) can find a way to write it (and keep in mind that PG-13 is the maximum you can go to - even "adult" tagged issues aren't supposed to be more than that) then by all means go ahead, but it does look like there might be a few speedbumps.

Pity it's such a difficult topic, I've come up with a good effect line to use - "disclaimers on X rated films say 'no souls were dammed in the making of this video' "

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Trotterdam
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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:36 am

SherpDaWerp wrote:Come to think of it, that sounds vaguely like how hentai etc. started in Japan - censorship restricted what they could watch, but for some reason erotic cartoons weren't prohibited, so they went with that.
Maybe that's a part of it, but it's probably significant that animation is a lot more popular even for non-pornographic works than Japan than in the West, where it's stigmatized as "kid stuff".

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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:33 am

You're gonna call a country "Yamato"? In Greek "yamato" means "fuck". Also, in many places the legal of age of consent is 16, why assume that it's 18? That's a violation of player autonomy
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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:19 am

Australian rePublic wrote:You're gonna call a country "Yamato"? In Greek "yamato" means "fuck". Also, in many places the legal of age of consent is 16, why assume that it's 18? That's a violation of player autonomy


I think the mod said we should use US standards, so I wrote it as 18

サンヒョク社会主義連合連邦
我が祖国は、革命の赤旗を守る!世界の労働者万歳 統一戦線万歳 どんな時も その眩しさ 覚えていた
Chairwoman Oomiya in tea party with Azur Deutschland leaders Julienne and Sylvia | Chairwoman Oomiya to receive delegation from various realms in celebration of 861st Birthday Gala
Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favorite things


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Sanghyeok
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Founded: Dec 29, 2016
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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:19 am

Australian rePublic wrote:You're gonna call a country "Yamato"? In Greek "yamato" means "fuck". Also, in many places the legal of age of consent is 16, why assume that it's 18? That's a violation of player autonomy


Yamato is ancient name for Japanese people. I wanted to use it like some issues write DaGuo for China, etc

サンヒョク社会主義連合連邦
我が祖国は、革命の赤旗を守る!世界の労働者万歳 統一戦線万歳 どんな時も その眩しさ 覚えていた
Chairwoman Oomiya in tea party with Azur Deutschland leaders Julienne and Sylvia | Chairwoman Oomiya to receive delegation from various realms in celebration of 861st Birthday Gala
Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favorite things


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Australian rePublic
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:38 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:You're gonna call a country "Yamato"? In Greek "yamato" means "fuck". Also, in many places the legal of age of consent is 16, why assume that it's 18? That's a violation of player autonomy


Yamato is ancient name for Japanese people. I wanted to use it like some issues write DaGuo for China, etc

Maybe to remove player autonomy issues, you should say "clearly underage" instead of specifying an actual age. Also, "yamoto" means "fuck", not "yamato", so, carry on
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Postby The Marsupial Illuminati » Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:43 pm

no issues about children and sexuality plz + this is the work of devil :evil:
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Sanghyeok
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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:46 pm

The Marsupial Illuminati wrote:no issues about children and sexuality plz + this is the work of devil :evil:


I was told it was forbidden, and I already abandoned this draft. Thanks for information though.
Last edited by Sanghyeok on Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.

サンヒョク社会主義連合連邦
我が祖国は、革命の赤旗を守る!世界の労働者万歳 統一戦線万歳 どんな時も その眩しさ 覚えていた
Chairwoman Oomiya in tea party with Azur Deutschland leaders Julienne and Sylvia | Chairwoman Oomiya to receive delegation from various realms in celebration of 861st Birthday Gala
Mini custard puddings
And fresh poured Darjeeling
Strawberry parfait so sweet and appealing,
Little soft plushies and baths in hot springs
These are a few of my favorite things


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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:43 am

I mean to be fair, the issue of whether animated content that LOOKS underage while being attached to fiction that the characters are of legal age, that's a really interesting dilemma.

However, as has been noted, it's explicitly against the site rules to create issues that relate even tangentially to paedophilia, so we're going to leave it at that.

That in mind, please don't take it personally when I lock this thread. Rather, it's just in the spirit of adhering to site rules.
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