Violence Outbreak in Kenosha WI

[The Emerald Legion]

There are plenty of people who live a life of poverty and destitution who are also not horrible people. There are countless poor destitute people who get up in the morning with their shitty horrible lives, with their shitty horrible jobs, if they're even lucky to have a job, work, and then come home to their leaky trailer parks, or their mold covered section 8 or subpar housing (If they're even lucky enough to have a house and they're not homeless or at the whims of a slumlord they're renting from) and yet they somehow manage to get through the day without hurting or harming others. They may even have rightful reasons to be angry at the world for their lot in the life but they still somehow amazingly are able to not take that justified anger out on innocents.

Then again, there are plenty of people who live a life of riches and luxury who are also horrible people. They have everything want, everything they need, everything they could possibly desire, yet they're still horrible miserable people who go out of their way to hurt others, they embezzle, steal, hurt, sometimes they, murder, rape, and do all sorts of horrible stuff. Sometimes it's out of what they believe is necessity, but sometimes, it's because they just know that they can and that they can get away with it.

Hell there are even hardened criminals trapped into the cycle who are also not horrible people.

Yes they're in and out of jail every 3 months for some stupid crime, shoplifting, drug abuse, theft by taking, panhandling, yes they're horribly flawed, and yes there really is no redeeming them, they're born criminals and they know it, they'll even tell you that, but yet amazingly they're also not horrible people, they just know they don't conform to modern society and if they're smart enough they just kind of shrug it off, for 3 to 6 months of the year they get free room and board in prison and the rest of the time they're on the streets. But they'll still wave hi to you when you walk by, they act their best behind bars, there's just something wrong with them.

Yes being poor and being trapped by poverty makes criminal activity out of desperation more likely, but that's not the exclusive decider of why people do right and wrong.

Sometimes people are just bad people Kowani, not because society made them that way, not because of something that can be fixed. Some people are just horrible people and people like Trump shows that it really doesn't matter where you are or where you are from, you can be a horrible person from atop the highest golden tower, or in the lowest most filthy of slums.

There is a lot of nonsense here, and I think the single largest failure in your analysis is that you think "bad people" exist, and you point to people like Trump (or other upper-class, privileged people) as evidence of this, without realizing that this actually furthers my point. You see, socialization is not just a thing that happens to poor people. It happens to the wealthy in the exact same degree. In some of them, it leads to "desirable" behaviour, in others it does not. Why this happens is largely still a matter of academic debate and empirical research is ongoing, but my own theory is that the primary cause is incentives (note that this is not merely limited to rational incentives, but also irrational ones.) A poor person who does not commit a crime is not a "good" person, it is merely that all the incentives to commit a crime were outweighed by the influx of those not to do so-the threat of prison, one's self image, societally instituted moral values, etc.
Trump, for example, is a horrible person because his father emotionally neglected and abused him, and he was born at the top, allowing him to come to view others as tools for adoration and nothing else, while at the same time letting him avoid being installed with certain "desirable" values.
Nothing exists in a vacuum, least of all people.

Nonsense. Some people are good, others are evil. Still others are somewhere in between. You can't just mix a person's personality like a goddamn cake.

[Kowani]

There is a lot of nonsense here, and I think the single largest failure in your analysis is that you think "bad people" exist, and you point to people like Trump (or other upper-class, privileged people) as evidence of this, without realizing that this actually furthers my point. You see, socialization is not just a thing that happens to poor people. It happens to the wealthy in the exact same degree. In some of them, it leads to "desirable" behaviour, in others it does not. Why this happens is largely still a matter of academic debate and empirical research is ongoing, but my own theory is that the primary cause is incentives (note that this is not merely limited to rational incentives, but also irrational ones.) A poor person who does not commit a crime is not a "good" person, it is merely that all the incentives to commit a crime were outweighed by the influx of those not to do so-the threat of prison, one's self image, societally instituted moral values, etc.
Trump, for example, is a horrible person because his father emotionally neglected and abused him, and he was born at the top, allowing him to come to view others as tools for adoration and nothing else, while at the same time letting him avoid being installed with certain "desirable" values.
Nothing exists in a vacuum, least of all people.

Nonsense. Some people are good, others are evil. Still others are somewhere in between. You can't just mix a person's personality like a goddamn cake.

What a compelling argument.

[Greater Miami Shores]

There is a lot of nonsense here, and I think the single largest failure in your analysis is that you think "bad people" exist, and you point to people like Trump (or other upper-class, privileged people) as evidence of this, without realizing that this actually furthers my point. You see, socialization is not just a thing that happens to poor people. It happens to the wealthy in the exact same degree. In some of them, it leads to "desirable" behaviour, in others it does not. Why this happens is largely still a matter of academic debate and empirical research is ongoing, but my own theory is that the primary cause is incentives (note that this is not merely limited to rational incentives, but also irrational ones.) A poor person who does not commit a crime is not a "good" person, it is merely that all the incentives to commit a crime were outweighed by the influx of those not to do so-the threat of prison, one's self image, societally instituted moral values, etc.
Trump, for example, is a horrible person because his father emotionally neglected and abused him, and he was born at the top, allowing him to come to view others as tools for adoration and nothing else, while at the same time letting him avoid being installed with certain "desirable" values.
Nothing exists in a vacuum, least of all people.

Nonsense. Some people are good, others are evil. Still others are somewhere in between. You can't just mix a person's personality like a goddamn cake.

I agree with you. I agree some persons are evil, like the guy I talked about on my previous post to The Lone Alliance, good post, great post.

[West Leas Oros 2]

There are plenty of people who live a life of poverty and destitution who are also not horrible people. There are countless poor destitute people who get up in the morning with their shitty horrible lives, with their shitty horrible jobs, if they're even lucky to have a job, work, and then come home to their leaky trailer parks, or their mold covered section 8 or subpar housing (If they're even lucky enough to have a house and they're not homeless or at the whims of a slumlord they're renting from) and yet they somehow manage to get through the day without hurting or harming others. They may even have rightful reasons to be angry at the world for their lot in the life but they still somehow amazingly are able to not take that justified anger out on innocents.

Then again, there are plenty of people who live a life of riches and luxury who are also horrible people. They have everything want, everything they need, everything they could possibly desire, yet they're still horrible miserable people who go out of their way to hurt others, they embezzle, steal, hurt, sometimes they, murder, rape, and do all sorts of horrible stuff. Sometimes it's out of what they believe is necessity, but sometimes, it's because they just know that they can and that they can get away with it.

Hell there are even hardened criminals trapped into the cycle who are also not horrible people.

Yes they're in and out of jail every 3 months for some stupid crime, shoplifting, drug abuse, theft by taking, panhandling, yes they're horribly flawed, and yes there really is no redeeming them, they're born criminals and they know it, they'll even tell you that, but yet amazingly they're also not horrible people, they just know they don't conform to modern society and if they're smart enough they just kind of shrug it off, for 3 to 6 months of the year they get free room and board in prison and the rest of the time they're on the streets. But they'll still wave hi to you when you walk by, they act their best behind bars, there's just something wrong with them.

Yes being poor and being trapped by poverty makes criminal activity out of desperation more likely, but that's not the exclusive decider of why people do right and wrong.

Sometimes people are just bad people Kowani, not because society made them that way, not because of something that can be fixed. Some people are just horrible people and people like Trump shows that it really doesn't matter where you are or where you are from, you can be a horrible person from atop the highest golden tower, or in the lowest most filthy of slums.

There is a lot of nonsense here, and I think the single largest failure in your analysis is that you think "bad people" exist, and you point to people like Trump (or other upper-class, privileged people) as evidence of this, without realizing that this actually furthers my point. You see, socialization is not just a thing that happens to poor people. It happens to the wealthy in the exact same degree. In some of them, it leads to "desirable" behaviour, in others it does not. Why this happens is largely still a matter of academic debate and empirical research is ongoing, but my own theory is that the primary cause is incentives (note that this is not merely limited to rational incentives, but also irrational ones.) A poor person who does not commit a crime is not a "good" person, it is merely that all the incentives to commit a crime were outweighed by the influx of those not to do so-the threat of prison, one's self image, societally instituted moral values, etc.
Trump, for example, is a horrible person because his father emotionally neglected and abused him, and he was born at the top, allowing him to come to view others as tools for adoration and nothing else, while at the same time letting him avoid being installed with certain "desirable" values.
Nothing exists in a vacuum, least of all people.

Bad people don't exist? Even Hitler? I'd be hard pressed to find a reason why Hitler wasn't a bad person.

[Greater Miami Shores]

There is a lot of nonsense here, and I think the single largest failure in your analysis is that you think "bad people" exist, and you point to people like Trump (or other upper-class, privileged people) as evidence of this, without realizing that this actually furthers my point. You see, socialization is not just a thing that happens to poor people. It happens to the wealthy in the exact same degree. In some of them, it leads to "desirable" behaviour, in others it does not. Why this happens is largely still a matter of academic debate and empirical research is ongoing, but my own theory is that the primary cause is incentives (note that this is not merely limited to rational incentives, but also irrational ones.) A poor person who does not commit a crime is not a "good" person, it is merely that all the incentives to commit a crime were outweighed by the influx of those not to do so-the threat of prison, one's self image, societally instituted moral values, etc.
Trump, for example, is a horrible person because his father emotionally neglected and abused him, and he was born at the top, allowing him to come to view others as tools for adoration and nothing else, while at the same time letting him avoid being installed with certain "desirable" values.
Nothing exists in a vacuum, least of all people.

Bad people don't exist? Even Hitler? I'd be hard pressed to find a reason why Hitler wasn't a bad person.

I have seen a documentary on Hitler and World War 2, where they interviewed Hitler's private secretaries, they said, Hitler was always very nice to them.