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Postby Great Robertia » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:48 am

OOC: My second attempt at a GA resolution draft. Feedback and commentary are welcome, especially as to what works, what doesn't, what can be improved upon and what needs to be cut out or added!

CURRENT DRAFT:
Promoting Education on Sexual Minorities
Education and Creativity | Educational

The General Assembly,

Applauding the efforts made to improve the civil and political rights of sexual minorities,

Understanding that rights, rules and laws alone can not change individual attitudes towards non-heteronormativity, or bring about understanding of the subject,

Acknowledging that educational establishments are uniquely empowered to improve the understanding of individuals that identify as being part of a sexual minority, and the struggles they face as a result of belonging to a sexual minority,

Hereby:

  1. Defines for the purposes of this resolution:
    1. 'sexual minorities' as all sexual orientations that are not, or have historically not been the dominant sexual orientation in a population of sapient beings;
    2. 'educational establishments' as all public and private educational settings providing general or academic education to minors as well as adults;
  2. Mandates that member states include the history of the domestic and international development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements into the curricula of all educational establishments within their jurisdiction; so as to promote awareness and understanding of the subject, and thwart the development or propagation of prejudices through ignorance;

  3. Instructs member states to fulfil the requirement under Article 2 by either developing individual educational courses and/or programs revolving around the subject introduced by Article 2, or by including it into already existing educational courses and/or programs, additionally requiring for both approaches that:
    1. they are relevant and fitting to each respective educational establishment; and
    2. they are comprehensible and appropriate to each respective age group; and
    3. they are developed in collaboration with organisations and/or institutions that have experience in studying and/or furthering the rights of sexual minorities, if the required expertise for the development or inclusion of these educational courses and/or programs would otherwise be lacking;
  4. Permits member states that have been judged to be truly unable to shoulder the economic costs of this resolution to apply to the WA General Accounting Office for funding, as long as funds acquired under this section are used exclusively to ensure compliance with Article 2 among educational establishments within their jurisdiction;

  5. Encourages further legislation that promotes understanding and awareness of other societal minorities.


DRAFT 9:
Promoting Education on Sexual Minorities
Education and Creativity | Educational

The General Assembly,

Applauding the efforts made to improve the civil and political rights of sexual minorities,

Understanding that rights, rules and laws alone can not change individual attitudes towards non-heteronormativity, or bring about understanding of the subject,

Acknowledging that educational establishments are uniquely empowered to improve the understanding of individuals that identify as being part of a sexual minority, and the struggles they face as a result of belonging to a sexual minority,

Hereby:

  1. Defines for the purposes of this resolution:
    1. 'sexual minorities' as all sexual orientations that are not, or have historically not been the dominant sexual orientation in a population of sapient beings;
    2. 'educational establishments' as all public and private educational institutions providing general or academic education to minors as well as adults;
  2. Mandates that member states include the history of the domestic and international development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements into the curricula of all educational establishments within their jurisdiction; so as to promote awareness and understanding of the subject, and thwart the development or propagation of prejudices through ignorance;

  3. Instructs member states to develop educational courses and/or programs, or appoint suitable institutions, organisations or groups to develop educational courses and/or programs, that are compliant with Article 2, additionally requiring that:
    1. they are relevant and useful to each respective educational establishment; and
    2. they are comprehensible and appropriate to each respective age group; and
    3. they are developed in collaboration with organisations and/or institutions that have experience in studying and/or furthering the rights of sexual minorities, if the required expertise for the development of these educational courses and/or programs would otherwise be lacking;
  4. Permits member states that have been judged to be truly unable to shoulder the economic costs of this resolution to apply to the WA General Accounting Office for funding, as long as funds acquired under this section are used exclusively to ensure compliance with Article 2 among educational establishments within their jurisdiction;

  5. Encourages further legislation that promotes understanding and awareness of other societal minorities.


DRAFT 8:
Promoting Education on Sexual Minorities
Education and Creativity | Educational

The General Assembly,

Applauding the efforts made to improve the civil and political rights of sexual minorities,

Understanding that rights, rules and laws alone can not change individual attitudes towards non-heteronormativity, or bring about understanding of the subject,

Acknowledging that educational establishments are uniquely empowered to improve the understanding of individuals that identify as being part of a sexual minority, and the struggles they face as a result of belonging to a sexual minority,

Hereby:

  1. Defines for the purposes of this resolution:
    1. 'sexual minorities' as all sexual orientations that are not, or have historically not been the dominant sexual orientation in a population of sapient beings;
    2. 'educational establishments' as all public and private educational institutions, and any facility providing general education of a nature highly similar to the aforementioned institutions;
  2. Mandates that member states include the history of the domestic and international development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements into the curricula of all educational establishments within their jurisdiction; so as to promote awareness and understanding of the subject, and thwart the development or propagation of prejudices through ignorance;

  3. Instructs member states to develop educational courses and/or programs, or appoint suitable institutions, organisations or groups to develop educational courses and/or programs, that are compliant with Article 2, additionally requiring that:
    1. they are relevant and useful to each respective educational establishment; and
    2. they are comprehensible and appropriate to each respective age group; and
    3. they are developed in collaboration with organisations and/or institutions that have experience in studying and/or furthering the rights of sexual minorities, if the required expertise for the development of these educational courses and/or programs would otherwise be lacking;
  4. Permits member states that have been judged to be truly unable to shoulder the economic costs of this resolution to apply to the WA General Accounting Office for funding, as long as funds acquired under this section are used exclusively to ensure compliance with Article 2 among educational establishments within their jurisdiction;

  5. Encourages further legislation that promotes understanding and awareness of other societal minorities.


DRAFT 7:
Promoting Education on Sexual Minorities
Education and Creativity | Educational

The General Assembly,

Applauding the efforts made to improve the civil and political rights of sexual minorities,

Understanding that rights, rules and laws alone can not change individual attitudes towards non-heteronormativity, or bring about understanding of the subject,

Acknowledging that educational establishments are uniquely empowered to improve the understanding of individuals that identify as being part of a sexual minority, and the struggles they face as a result of belonging to a sexual minority,

Hereby:

  1. Defines for the purposes of this resolution:
    1. 'sexual minorities' as all sexual orientations that are not the dominant sexual orientation in a population of sapient beings;
    2. 'educational establishments' as all public and private educational institutions, and any facility providing education of a nature highly similar to the aforementioned institutions;
  2. Mandates that member states include the history of the domestic and international development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements into the curricula of all educational establishments within their jurisdiction; so as to promote awareness and understanding of the subject, and thwart the development or propagation of prejudices through ignorance;

  3. Requires all educational establishments under the jurisdiction of the member states to collaborate with organisations and institutions that have experience in studying and/or furthering the rights of sexual minorities in implementing the requirements of Article 2, to ensure that objective and factually verified information is included in the delivery of these requirements;

  4. Further requires that member states allow all educational establishments within their jurisdiction to determine, in consultation with the organisations and institutions mentioned in Article 3, how best to implement the requirements of Article 2, provided that:
    1. they are relevant and useful to each respective educational establishment;
    2. they are comprehensible and appropriate to each respective age group;
    3. they are implemented in some form;
  5. Permits member states that have been judged to be truly unable to shoulder the economic costs of this resolution to apply to the WA General Accounting Office for funding, as long as funds acquired under this section are used exclusively to ensure compliance with Article 2 among educational establishments within their jurisdiction;

  6. Encourages further legislation that promotes understanding and awareness of other societal minorities.


DRAFT 6:
Promoting Education on Sexual Minorities
Education and Creativity | Educational

The General Assembly,

Applauding the efforts made to improve the civil and political rights of sexual minorities,

Understanding that rights, rules and laws alone can not change individual attitudes towards non-heteronormativity, or bring about understanding of the subject,

Acknowledging that educational establishments are uniquely empowered to improve the understanding of individuals that identify as being part of a sexual minority, and the struggles they face as a result of belonging to a sexual minority,

Hereby:

  1. Defines for the purposes of this resolution:
    1. 'sexual minorities' as all sexual orientations that are not the dominant sexual orientation in a population of sapient beings;
    2. 'educational establishments' as all public and private educational institutions, and any facility providing education of a nature highly similar to the aforementioned institutions;

  2. Mandates that member states include the history of the domestic and international development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements into the curricula of all educational establishments within their jurisdiction; so as to promote awareness and understanding of the subject, and thwart the development or propagation of prejudices through ignorance;

  3. Requires all educational establishments under the jurisdiction of the member states to collaborate with organisations and institutions that have experience in studying and/or furthering the rights of sexual minorities in implementing the requirements of Article 2, to ensure that objective and factually verified information is included in the delivery of these requirements;

  4. Further requires that member states allow all educational establishments within their jurisdiction to determine, in consultation with the organisations and institutions mentioned in Article 3, how best to implement the requirements of Article 2 (provided that they are implemented in some form);

  5. Permits member states that have been judged to be truly unable to shoulder the economic costs of this resolution to apply to the WA General Accounting Office for funding, as long as funds acquired under this section are used exclusively to ensure compliance with Article 2 among educational establishments within their jurisdiction;

  6. Encourages further legislation that uses education to further understanding and awareness of other societal minorities.


DRAFT 5:
Promoting Education on Sexual Minorities
Education and Creativity | Educational

The General Assembly,

Applauding the efforts made to improve the civil and political rights of sexual minorities,

Understanding that rights, rules and laws alone can not change individual attitudes towards non-heteronormativity or bring about understanding of the subject,

Acknowledging that educational establishments are uniquely empowered to improve the understanding of individuals that identify as being part of a sexual minority, and the struggles they face as a result of belonging to a sexual minority,

Hereby:

  1. Defines:
    1. 'sexual minorities' as all sexual orientations that are not the dominant sexual orientation in a population of sapient beings;
    2. 'educational establishments' as all primary schools, secondary schools, educational facilities, and institutions providing education of a nature highly similar to the aforementioned facilities;

  2. Emphasizes that 'sexual orientation' and 'sexual preference' are two separate definitions, and thus are not to be used interchangeably;

  3. Mandates that member states include the history of the domestic and regional development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements into the curricula of all educational establishments within their jurisdiction; so as to promote awareness and understanding of the subject, and thwart the development or propagation of prejudices through ignorance;

  4. Requires all educational establishments under the jurisdiction of the member states to collaborate with organisations and institutions that have had experience in studying and/or furthering the rights of sexual minorities in implementing the requirements of Article 3, to ensure that objective and factually verified information is included in the delivery of these requirements;

  5. Further requires that member states allow all educational establishments within their jurisdiction to determine, in consultation with the organisations and institutions mentioned in Article 4, how best to implement the requirements of Article 3 (provided that they are implemented in some form);

  6. Permits member states that have been judged to be truly unable to shoulder the economic costs of this resolution to appeal to the WA General Accounting Office for funding, as long as funds acquired under this section are used exclusively to ensure compliance with Article 3 among educational establishments within their jurisdiction;

  7. Encourages further legislation regarding the promotion of awareness of other ethnic, racial, and cultural minorities.


DRAFT 4:
Promoting Awareness of Sexual Minorities in Schools
Education and Creativity | Educational

The General Assembly,

Applauding the efforts made to improve the civil and political rights of sexual minorities,

Understanding that rights, rules and laws alone can not change individual attitudes towards non-heteronormativity or bring about understanding of the subject,

Acknowledging that primary and secondary schools, as well as other, similar educational facilities help in improving the understanding of individuals that identify as being part of a sexual minority, and the struggles they face as a result of belonging to a sexual minority,

Hereby:

  1. Defines 'sexual minorities' as all sexual orientations that are not the dominant sexual orientation in a population of sapient beings;

  2. Emphasizes that 'sexual orientation' and 'sexual preference' are two separate definitions, and thus are not to be used interchangeably;

  3. Mandates member states to include the history of the domestic and regional development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements, into the curricula of all primary and secondary schools as well as other educational facilities under their jurisdiction, so as to promote awareness and understanding of the subject, and thwart the development or propagation of prejudices through ignorance;

  4. Further mandates member states to include the education on the history of the domestic and regional development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements, into the curricula of all institutions that provide education of a nature highly similar to that of primary or secondary schools, or other such educational facilities;

  5. Requires all primary and secondary schools, educational facilities and institutions providing education highly similar to the latter and former under the jurisdiction of the member states, to provide objective and factually verified information, acquired from organisations and institutions that have had experience in studying sexual minorities and/or furthering their civil and political rights in society;

  6. Instructs member states to have all their primary and secondary schools, educational facilities and institutions providing education highly similar to the latter and former, collaborate with these institutions and organisations that have experience in studying sexual minorities and/or furthering their civil and political rights in society, in implementing the history of the domestic and regional development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements into their educational curricula;

  7. Allows member states to have all their primary and secondary schools, educational facilities and institutions providing education highly similar to the latter and former, determine, in consultation with sexual minority rights activists groups like the LGBTQ+ communities, how best to implement the teaching of this subject into their educational curricula, as long as it is included in some form;

  8. Permits member states to appeal to the WA General Accounting Office (GAO) for funds to remain compliant with this resolution, if the recipient nation:
    1. Uses the funds acquired exclusively to introduce education on the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements across the multiverse into the curricula of schools, universities, educational facilities or institutions providing education highly similar to the latter;
    2. Has been judged to be veritably unable to shoulder the economical costs of this implementation;

  9. Encourages further legislation regarding the promotion of awareness of other ethnic, racial, and cultural minorities.


DRAFT 3:
Promoting Awareness of Sexual Minorities in Schools
Education and Creativity | Educational

The General Assembly,

Applauding the efforts made to improve the civil and political rights of sexual minorities,

Understanding that rights, rules and laws alone can not change individual attitudes towards non-heteronormativity or bring about understanding of the subject,

Acknowledging that schools, universities and other educational facilities help in improving the understanding of individuals that identify as being part of a sexual minority, and the struggles they face as a result of belonging to a sexual minority,

Hereby:

  1. Defines 'sexual minorities' as all sexual orientations that are not the dominant sexual orientation in a population of sapient beings;

  2. Emphasizes that 'sexual orientation' and 'sexual preference' are two separate definitions, and thus are not to be treated as synonyms;

  3. Mandates member states to include the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements into the curricula of all schools, universities and other educational facilities under their jurisdiction, so as to promote awareness and understanding of the subject, and thwart the development or propagation of prejudices through ignorance;

  4. Further mandates member states to include the education on the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements into the curricula of all institutions that provide education of a nature highly similar to that of schools, universities or other educational facilities;

  5. Requires all schools, universities, educational facilities or institutions providing education highly similar to the latter, under the jurisdiction of the member states, to provide objective and factually verified information, acquired from local sexual minority rights activists groups, with the LGBTQ+ communities being an example of such a group;

  6. Instructs member states to have all their schools, universities, educational facilities and institutions providing education highly similar to the latter, collaborate with sexual minority rights activists groups like the LGBTQ+ communities, in implementing the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements into their educational curricula;

  7. Allows member states to have all their schools, universities, educational facilities and institutions providing education highly similar to the latter, determine, in consultation with sexual minority rights activists groups like the LGBTQ+ communities, how best to implement the teaching of this subject into their educational curricula, as long as it is included in some form;

  8. Permits member states to appeal to the WA General Accounting Office (GAO) for funds to remain compliant with this resolution, if the recipient nation:
    1. Uses the funds acquired exclusively to introduce education on the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements across the multiverse into the curricula of schools, universities, educational facilities or institutions providing education highly similar to the latter;
    2. Has been judged to be veritably unable to shoulder the economical costs of this implementation;

  9. Encourages further legislation regarding the promotion of awareness of other ethnic, racial, and cultural minorities.


DRAFT 2:
Promoting Awareness of Sexual Minorities in Schools
Education and Creativity | Educational

The General Assembly,

Applauding the efforts made to improve the civil and political rights of sexual minorities,

Understanding that rights, rules and laws alone can not change individual attitudes towards non-heteronormativity or bring about understanding of the subject,

Acknowledging schools, universities and other educational facilities help in improving the understanding of individuals that identify as a sexual minority and the struggles they face as a result of belonging to a sexual minority,

Hereby:

  1. Defines 'sexual minorities' as all sexual orientations that are not the dominant sexual orientation in a population of sentient beings,

  2. Emphasizes that 'sexual orientation' and 'sexual preference' are two separate definitions, and thus are not to be treated as synonyms,

  3. Clarifies that member states are not to present 'sexual orientations' as 'sexual preferences',

  4. Mandates all member states to include the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements across the multiverse into the curricula of their schools, universities and other educational facilities, so as to promote awareness and understanding of the subject, and thwart the development or propagation of prejudices through ignorance,

  5. Requires member states' schools, universities and educational facilities to provide objective and factually verified information, acquired from local, active sexual minority rights activists groups like the LGBTQ+ communities, operating across nations in the multiverse,

  6. Instructs member states to have their schools, universities and educational facilities collaborate with sexual minority rights activists groups like the LGBTQ+ communities, in implementing the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements across the multiverse into their educational curricula.


DRAFT 1:
Promoting Awareness of Sexual Minorities in Schools
Education and Creativity | Educational

The General Assembly,

Applauding the efforts made to improve the civil and political rights of sexual minorities,

Understanding that rights, rules and laws alone can not change individual attitudes towards non-heteronormativity or bring about understanding of the subject,

Acknowledging schools, universities and other educational facilities help in improving the understanding of individuals that identify as a sexual minority and the struggles they face as a result of belonging to a sexual minority,

Hereby:

  1. Defines 'sexual minorities' as all sexual orientations that are not the dominant sexual orientation in a population of sentient beings,

  2. Emphasizes that 'sexual orientation' and 'sexual preference' are two separate definitions, and thus are not to be treated as synonyms,

  3. Clarifies that member states are not to present 'sexual orientations' as 'sexual preferences',

  4. Mandates all member states to introduce an annually recurring 'Sexual Minority Awareness Week' into the curricula of their schools, universities and other educational facilities, during which special attention will be given to educating citizens about the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements across the multiverse,

  5. Permits member states to allow their schools, universities and educational facilities to organize the 'Sexual Minority Awareness Week' at a time of their choosing, as long as the awareness week will indeed be organized once a year,

  6. Requires member states' schools, universities and educational facilities to provide objective and factually verified information, acquired from local, active sexual minority rights activists groups like the LGBTQ+ communities, operating across nations across the multiverse,

  7. Instructs member states to have their schools, universities and educational facilities collaborate with sexual minority rights activists groups like the LGBTQ+ communities, in organizing the 'Sexual Minority Awareness Weeks'.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:51 am

"I see little, if any, international policy articulated or international utility in any potential policy. Opposed."

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Postby Great Robertia » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:10 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"I see little, if any, international policy articulated or international utility in any potential policy. Opposed."


"While I see your point, Ambassador, perhaps you might consider the following: yes, the WA has - most admirably - created rules and laws that mandate the equal treatment of sentient beings that identify as a part of a sexual minority. Yet even if they cannot be legally discriminated against, that doesn't immediately imply there exists broad understanding as to why discrimination of such an individual is not allowed. Underlying prejudices may still cause for negative emotions or attitudes to arise towards non-heteronormative sentient beings. As such, this resolution attempts to target that area of the field of sexual minority acceptance and tolerance, namely to bring about understand about individuals identifying as such. The more awareness individual citizens have of the subject, the less frightening sexual minorities become. And if fear of something unknown or exotic, if you will, is taken away, then the underlying prejudices may fall away as well.

This way, the problem can be handled from two sides, namely the legislative field of delegalizing any form of discrimination against sexual minorities, as well as the educational field, where underlying prejudices and ignorance - which arguably are the root cause of any potential discrimination - are tackled through the spreading of awareness and understanding. Would you not see the benefit of this internationally? If we'd be able to eliminate the ignorance fueling prejudices across our member states?"
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:31 am

Great Robertia wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"I see little, if any, international policy articulated or international utility in any potential policy. Opposed."


"While I see your point, Ambassador, perhaps you might consider the following: yes, the WA has - most admirably - created rules and laws that mandate the equal treatment of sentient beings that identify as a part of a sexual minority. Yet even if they cannot be legally discriminated against, that doesn't immediately imply there exists broad understanding as to why discrimination of such an individual is not allowed. Underlying prejudices may still cause for negative emotions or attitudes to arise towards non-heteronormative sentient beings. As such, this resolution attempts to target that area of the field of sexual minority acceptance and tolerance, namely to bring about understand about individuals identifying as such. The more awareness individual citizens have of the subject, the less frightening sexual minorities become. And if fear of something unknown or exotic, if you will, is taken away, then the underlying prejudices may fall away as well.

This way, the problem can be handled from two sides, namely the legislative field of delegalizing any form of discrimination against sexual minorities, as well as the educational field, where underlying prejudices and ignorance - which arguably are the root cause of any potential discrimination - are tackled through the spreading of awareness and understanding. Would you not see the benefit of this internationally? If we'd be able to eliminate the ignorance fueling prejudices across our member states?"

"I understand your point, ambassador, and disagree that the social enlightenment of foreign entities is worth our time when they are already barred from discriminative policies. Frankly, it's no harm to our people if the locals of Bigtopia think something backwards. That sounds a great deal like a Bigtopian problem and not a Separatist problem."

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Postby Great Robertia » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:43 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"I understand your point, ambassador, and disagree that the social enlightenment of foreign entities is worth our time when they are already barred from discriminative policies. Frankly, it's no harm to our people if the locals of Bigtopia think something backwards. That sounds a great deal like a Bigtopian problem and not a Separatist problem."


"Perhaps it is our newness to this international body that inspires naivety, Ambassador, but what if the ignorance from Bigtopia manages to spread to other countries? Say Maxtopia? Or your nation? Of course prejudice or ignorance doesn't spread conventionally like a virus, but we live in a connected multiverse. News - when not blocked by the state, that is - flows from one corner to another. Ideas, whether enlightened or backwards, can be spread that way across multiple nations. Preventing that from happening by spreading knowledge and understanding on a wider scale, lessens the potential impact that a spread of prejudices might have. Yes, I admit, I myself speak with a tone of potentiality, of hypothesis.

Yet surely, Ambassador, you see how the ignorance of one people, might inspire prejudices that flow over to the people of another nation? Wouldn't you say it is beneficial to the wider, international community as a whole to curb the spread of prejudice or ignorance and instead promote a flow of knowledge, of awareness and of understanding?

And if I am not mistaken, the WA has previously considered the promotion of knowledge and understanding an important affair. I refer to GA#475 on the promotion of natural sciences in schools. Or GA#80, on the promotion of basic education across the member states of the WA. To me, both those resolutions signify that this international body values the spread of knowledge and understanding. Would it not be a prudent cause to include a promotion of awareness on sexual minorities? Which often are targeted by prejudices by a lack of understanding and fear of the unknown?"
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OOC: Second draft is up, taking away the part of awareness weeks and instead make it a part of educational curricula.
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:48 pm

Great Robertia wrote:Acknowledging that schools, universities and other educational facilities help in improving the understanding of individuals that identify as a sexual minority and the struggles they face as a result of belonging to a sexual minority,

OOC: Word missing. Also, most people don't identify as "a sexual minority", but rather their sexual identity matches those of a minor part of the population.

Defines 'sexual minorities' as all sexual orientations that are not the dominant sexual orientation in a population of sentient beings,

OOC: Sapient, not sentient. A normal housecat is sentient. A human is both sentient and sapient. So unless you meant to include animals, use "sapient".

Emphasizes that 'sexual orientation' and 'sexual preference' are two separate definitions, and thus are not to be treated as synonyms,

IC: "Exactly why? Could you explain what you think the terms mean?"

Clarifies that member states are not to present 'sexual orientations' as 'sexual preferences',

IC: "Especially as you're making it a... mandate of sorts?"

OOC: Also, if you want to make it a mandate, use something else but "clarifies". "Are not to" doesn't have quite the same apparent force, and I know majority of voters some people will skim the starting words and ignore something that's only a clarification.

Mandates all member states to include the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements across the multiverse into the curricula of their schools, universities and other educational facilities, so as to promote awareness and understanding of the subject, and thwart the development or propagation of prejudices through ignorance,

OOC: Drop the "across the multiverse" from everywhere in the draft. I know that WA is a multiversal thing by necessity, but many people don't RP like their populations being aware of even aliens existing (ambassadors to the WAHQ don't have that privilege :P), so mandating they be made so, might not be the best idea.

IC: "What good would this do? Would it not be better to simply go over such in sexual education and social studies? Maybe history class? Using assignment topics that include a diversity of people and lifestyles? Most sexual minorities want integration and acceptance, not being lifted on a pedestal and made to appear separate from others. Also, why are you focusing on the history of their rights development? I also wonder if you think daycare facilities should do this too? As well as driving schools?"

OOC: Also, remember that pedophilia can be in some cases understood to be a sexual orientation. And is hopefully a very small minority.

Requires member states' schools, universities and educational facilities to provide objective and factually verified information, acquired from local, active sexual minority rights activists groups like the LGBTQ+ communities, operating across nations in the multiverse,

OOC: The same issue with the multiverse mention. Especially as the number of "local activist groups operating across the multiverse" is likely to be zero. "Local" and "across the multiverse" tend to be exclusive terms.

IC: "For some reason you seem to think that every nation in existence is some backwater hellhole when it comes to the rights of sexual minorities, ambassador. Why would you need rights activists when there is no discrimination based on orientation or preferences? So what happens if there are no such activist groups? No awareness teaching then?"

OOC: Additionally, why should the information be acquired from the activists to begin with? Or do you think that non-activist LGBT people are unable to provide such information? Or even at-least-partially-non-LGBT historians? Especially as you're now focusing on the history of the rights development only. For some reason.

Instructs member states to have their schools, universities and educational facilities collaborate with sexual minority rights activists groups like the LGBTQ+ communities, in implementing the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements across the multiverse into their educational curricula.

OOC: To avoid the thread devolving into a dictionary argument, use something else but "instructs".

IC: "The same problem about the rights activists here as above. Also, "collaborate" sounds worse than "cooperate". Oh and you should define "educational facility" as including all the bits and bobs you want included, and use that instead of the whole list every time."

OOC: Additionally, I don't see any reason why Araraukarian kids would benefit from learning how the rights developed in Backwateristan in a universe they have nothing to do with.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:49 pm

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Separatist Peoples wrote:"I understand your point, ambassador, and disagree that the social enlightenment of foreign entities is worth our time when they are already barred from discriminative policies. Frankly, it's no harm to our people if the locals of Bigtopia think something backwards. That sounds a great deal like a Bigtopian problem and not a Separatist problem."


"Perhaps it is our newness to this international body that inspires naivety, Ambassador, but what if the ignorance from Bigtopia manages to spread to other countries? Say Maxtopia? Or your nation? Of course prejudice or ignorance doesn't spread conventionally like a virus, but we live in a connected multiverse. News - when not blocked by the state, that is - flows from one corner to another. Ideas, whether enlightened or backwards, can be spread that way across multiple nations. Preventing that from happening by spreading knowledge and understanding on a wider scale, lessens the potential impact that a spread of prejudices might have. Yes, I admit, I myself speak with a tone of potentiality, of hypothesis.

Yet surely, Ambassador, you see how the ignorance of one people, might inspire prejudices that flow over to the people of another nation? Wouldn't you say it is beneficial to the wider, international community as a whole to curb the spread of prejudice or ignorance and instead promote a flow of knowledge, of awareness and of understanding?

And if I am not mistaken, the WA has previously considered the promotion of knowledge and understanding an important affair. I refer to GA#475 on the promotion of natural sciences in schools. Or GA#80, on the promotion of basic education across the member states of the WA. To me, both those resolutions signify that this international body values the spread of knowledge and understanding. Would it not be a prudent cause to include a promotion of awareness on sexual minorities? Which often are targeted by prejudices by a lack of understanding and fear of the unknown?"

"That the World Assembly has done something in the past is not itself an argument to act again. The World Assembly has passed many poor policies. As ignorance is not a microbial infection, I see little reason why it matters that unfortunate attitudes may spread to the international community. States are competent executors of their own policies to combat ignorance as they deem necessary. Extant legislation combats invidious discrimination already."

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Postby Great Robertia » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:18 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"That the World Assembly has done something in the past is not itself an argument to act again. The World Assembly has passed many poor policies. As ignorance is not a microbial infection, I see little reason why it matters that unfortunate attitudes may spread to the international community. States are competent executors of their own policies to combat ignorance as they deem necessary. Extant legislation combats invidious discrimination already."


"Legislation like that of the World Assembly is indeed the strongest force for societal change. Yet despite its evident strength, it will only address the issue of prejudice and discrimination from above, and not below. Educational programs like the current draft of this proposal now speaks of, tackle ignorance from below, and through it the development of prejudices. In this way a singular force from above, becomes a dual force from both sides.

And while we understand, Ambassador, that your nation believes in a national approach to this issue, we believe that a wider, international approach will effect change for the better on a larger scale. As I said before, perhaps my words ring with naivety, yet I strongly believe that taking away the source of discrimination - namely prejudice through ignorance, or fear of the unknown - will work well in conjunction with the powerful push of legislation, working from above.

On a different topic, perhaps some may wonder as to why a differentiation has been made regarding 'sexual orientation' and 'sexual preference'. This is easy to explain, as I have heard utterances in the past that identified sexual orientation as a sexual preference, as if it were a fancy or a choice. Yet scientific consensus, as followed in Great Robertia, is that sexual orientations such as homosexuality, bisexuality or asexuality - to name a few examples - are absolutely not a choice, but a characteristic that a living being develops, even before birth. A sexual preference is having a fancy for people with blonde hair, brown hair or a specific appearance or look. Sexual orientation is instead a part of one's being and identity, a characteristic that cannot be changed or altered.

If there is a better explanation for what we have spoken of just now, or a better term to use in this resolution draft, I would be more than happy to hear it and have my people implement it, into the proposal draft."
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Araraukar wrote:OOC: Are you ignoring my feedback on purpose?


OOC: No, it is only a lot to reply to, so I hoped to address some points more succinctly. You may notice I have worked several of your suggestions into the current draft!

Araraukar wrote:OOC: Also, remember that pedophilia can be in some cases understood to be a sexual orientation. And is hopefully a very small minority.


OOC: This is something I vehemently oppose. pedophilia is not a sexual orientation, I'd argue it is a (deviant) sexual preference. Which is why I made the distinction, because pedophilia should absolutely not be counted as a sexual orientation, and definitely shouldn't be included under the umbrella of sexual minorities.

Araraukar wrote:OOC: Additionally, why should the information be acquired from the activists to begin with? Or do you think that non-activist LGBT people are unable to provide such information? Or even at-least-partially-non-LGBT historians? Especially as you're now focusing on the history of the rights development only. For some reason.


OOC: Education on what sexual minorities are is already handled by the resolutions on sexual education. The history of the gay rights movement however, is something else entirely and can be dealt with in other parts of educational curricula that sexual education doesn't teach about. Activist groups like the LGBTQ+ communities often are used IRL to educate in schools on this topic, because they are actively involved in the struggle and continuation of the rights of sexual minorities. As such, they are the right candidate to provide verifiable facts on the subject, I believe.

Araraukar wrote:OOC: Additionally, I don't see any reason why Araraukarian kids would benefit from learning how the rights developed in Backwateristan in a universe they have nothing to do with.


OOC: Showing the struggle of someone else, bringing understand about it as well as awareness, will help in combating prejudice as well as fear through ignorance, I believe. Homophobia for example is often if not always born out of a fear of the unknown. If the unknown is made known and understandable, perhaps even relatable, then the fear of it disappears as well.
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“I’m not sure I agree with the wording in clause 7. Some educational institutes might offer courses in only one very precise subject, such as say traditional ballet. These sorts of specialist schools wouldn’t have any room for education on LGBT+ matters, which would fit better in a general school.”
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Postby Great Robertia » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:56 pm

Kenmoria wrote:“I’m not sure I agree with the wording in clause 7. Some educational institutes might offer courses in only one very precise subject, such as say traditional ballet. These sorts of specialist schools wouldn’t have any room for education on LGBT+ matters, which would fit better in a general school.”


"While the point you make is a reasonable and understandable one, I feel that even in such specialized schools there would be room for a few meetings on the education of LGBTQ+ matters, in order to show its visibility. Sexual minorities appear in all layers of society, as such, I believe it would be fitting to attempt to acquaint all layers of society with sexual minorities. Especially the example you have given, namely field of traditional ballet, has often held connections to this community.

Clause 8 clarifies that schools - such as the specialised ones - have the right to implement the promotion of awareness of sexual minorities in a way that would be fitting in their curriculum. All that the resolution asks is that it is done in consultation with activist groups such as the LGBTQ+ community, who are arguably a strong, verifiable source on the matter. Yet whether the education on this subject is done in a history class or through meetings with LGBTQ+ members where their experiences will be shared, that is up to the schools themselves. I could imagine a ballet school inviting ballet dancers that identify as part of the LGBTQ+ community, to share their experiences with the ballet students."
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Postby Ardiveds » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:01 pm

"Ambassador, as nation that strongly supports the equality and freedom of sexual minorities, we commend your proposal's efforts towards this goal. However, we have two primary issues with this proposal:
1. The requirement of deep involvement of educational institutes with LGBTQ+ right groups. We are not saying these groups should not be consulted or but using them as the sole and mandatory source of information seems rather troublesome. Not every region in our nation has such groups and we'd like information from policially neutral groups as well.
2. The requirement of having to teach kids about the struggle in far away cesspool nations in different universes we don't even know how to visit. Why not just require that schools teach how the sexual minorities gained their rights in whatever nation the school is in or a neighboruing nation. We realise you would like the children of our nation to know the stuggle of minorities in different nations but there will come a time when that different nation is so different, its basically fantasy to them. In creating an understanding, some familiarity is key. Also, we can only devote so many pages in a book to one topic."
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"One concern for the moment, Ambassador; why must educational material come from civilian 'activist' groups, rather than genuine health institutions? Not every Member-State is so enslaved to primitivism that much of our health research must be done by less legitimate sources."
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Postby Great Robertia » Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:06 pm

Ardiveds wrote:"Ambassador, as nation that strongly supports the equality and freedom of sexual minorities, we commend your proposal's efforts towards this goal. However, we have two primary issues with this proposal:
1. The requirement of deep involvement of educational institutes with LGBTQ+ right groups. We are not saying these groups should not be consulted or but using them as the sole and mandatory source of information seems rather troublesome. Not every region in our nation has such groups and we'd like information from policially neutral groups as well.

"Ambassador, you raise a fair point. The primary motivation behind making this specification, was based on the fear that some nations would collaborate with organisations or institutions that have a scholarly opinion on sexual minorities that is at odds with the accepted viewpoints and knowledge that mainstream science has established. In other words, we feared that a nation with a highly religious nature may consult organisations that share in that religious bias, and as you may know, not all religions have a tolerant view of non-heteronormativity. We believed it would have been counterproductive to the goal of this resolution, if such nations abused the phrasing of this resolution to have their citizens be taught that being part of a sexual minority is in any way aberrant. Such a thing would be very harmful to spreading of tolerance and acceptance through awareness.

However, I agree that the formulation as currently present in this proposal draft, isn't truly helpful either. With this statement I also respond to the remark brought up by the delegation from Tinfect. As such, would the Ambassadors from Ardiveds and Tinfect feel alleviated in their concerns, if the phrasing of the activist group specification would instead be altered to the following?"

organisations and institutions that have had experience in studying sexual minorities and furthering their civil and political rights in society,


Ardiveds wrote:2. The requirement of having to teach kids about the struggle in far away cesspool nations in different universes we don't even know how to visit. Why not just require that schools teach how the sexual minorities gained their rights in whatever nation the school is in or a neighboruing nation. We realise you would like the children of our nation to know the stuggle of minorities in different nations but there will come a time when that different nation is so different, its basically fantasy to them. In creating an understanding, some familiarity is key. Also, we can only devote so many pages in a book to one topic."


"I concur that in our zeal, we might have overdone this specification as well. It is why my delegation and I are more than happy to alter the phrasing here as well, to continue to alleviate your concerns. It is why we have three proposals, as to how to potentially address your remark, Ambassador. We feel this could be done by including the words:

the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements locally


Or:

the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements domestically and in neighbouring nations


Or lastly:

the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements domestically


Which do you feel would be most suitable for the intended purpose of this resolution draft? Our personal preference would go to the second one, namely to teach citizens about the development of the rights of sexual minorities domestically and in the directly neighbouring countries, so as to add contrast to the perspective."
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:28 am

"Why is general sexual education included at university level, which is most often a fairly narrow, non-general education into specific research topics? We do not see a need to include LGBT+ issues in unrelated university courses. Courses on anthropology, sociology, history, human psychology or medicine may include courses or course material on these topics, but how would you introduce LGBT+ to a physics course? Rhetoric? International relations? I would also think that after primary and secondary education has included LGBT+ topics, there is little need for it to be forcibly included in tertiary education as well. Regarding the history of sexual minorities, we believe a limit to local or domestic history would be an error. A lot of LGBT+ history has been driven by learning from developments in neighbouring nations, or even in some cases in culturally influential if physically distant nations."
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Postby Ardiveds » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:47 am

Great Robertia wrote:
"I concur that in our zeal, we might have overdone this specification as well. It is why my delegation and I are more than happy to alter the phrasing here as well, to continue to alleviate your concerns. It is why we have three proposals, as to how to potentially address your remark, Ambassador. We feel this could be done by including the words:

the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements locally


Or:

the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements domestically and in neighbouring nations


Or lastly:

the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements domestically


Which do you feel would be most suitable for the intended purpose of this resolution draft? Our personal preference would go to the second one, namely to teach citizens about the development of the rights of sexual minorities domestically and in the directly neighbouring countries, so as to add contrast to the perspective."

"We also share your preference for the second option."
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Postby Araraukar » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:31 am

Ardiveds wrote:
Great Robertia wrote:
the history of the development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements domestically and in neighbouring nations

"We also share your preference for the second option."

IC: "I would like to add "when such foreign information is readily available" or some wording like that."

OOC: Because given how small percentage of nations are WA nations, and non-WA nations are not obligated to do anything the WA wants of them, punishing a WA nation for noncompliance caused by the reluctance to share information practiced by non-WA nations sounds unfair, nor would any fines placed on the WA nation actually make the non-WA nations more likely to share the information. Also the suggested addition would work in both cold war types of situations as well as active hostilities. No, information about LGBT rights history is not likely to be of importance to national security, but in the case of active hostilities, the will to share any information with the nation you're at war with, is close to zero.

Great Robertia wrote:OOC: No, it is only a lot to reply to, so I hoped to address some points more succinctly. You may notice I have worked several of your suggestions into the current draft!

OOC: Would have liked IC replies to the issues raised in IC, though, especially given you've done that with others... Feeling kinda left out of the fun. :P But I'll give the newest draft another look-see later today actually, tomorrow is looking more likely.
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Postby Great Robertia » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:28 am

Attempted Socialism wrote:"Why is general sexual education included at university level, which is most often a fairly narrow, non-general education into specific research topics? We do not see a need to include LGBT+ issues in unrelated university courses. Courses on anthropology, sociology, history, human psychology or medicine may include courses or course material on these topics, but how would you introduce LGBT+ to a physics course? Rhetoric? International relations? I would also think that after primary and secondary education has included LGBT+ topics, there is little need for it to be forcibly included in tertiary education as well. Regarding the history of sexual minorities, we believe a limit to local or domestic history would be an error. A lot of LGBT+ history has been driven by learning from developments in neighbouring nations, or even in some cases in culturally influential if physically distant nations."
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"After considering your words, I agree with your remark about tertiary education, Ambassador. While I'd argue that in all the fields of study you have mentioned, there are individuals who had to be the first of a sexual minority and it might be worth teaching about their accomplishments, we recognize the point you make and agree with it.

Regarding the comment on neighbouring or physically distant nations, that is very much the reason why we had chosen for the phrasing that requires the development of sexual minority rights to be taught in a wider scope. Because in nation A the development of those rights might have gone very smoothly, and to teach solely about that would create an image that LGBTQ+ rights for example are acquired smoothly. Yet teaching about solely such an experience, would diminish the experience of nation B, where the acquirement of rights went with great effort, blood and tears. We firmly believe that teaching about such strive - even if such a country is distant - creates greater and wider awareness.

Yet what my delegation and I would want or like to see, may not be what the international community needs or requires. It is why we have taken the remarks made earlier under consideration, as several delegations have put question marks around the merit of teaching the development of sexual minority rights of distant countries in their own nation."

Araraukar wrote:IC: "I would like to add "when such foreign information is readily available" or some wording like that."


"Agreed, Ambassador, we see how such an addition would have merit. My concern with that however would be that it could create a potential loophole to use, so that nations who have less tolerant views on sexual minorities can deny other nations' requests for information. Potentially, to hide the unfair treatment of sexual minorities. They could simply claim no information on the subject is readily available and do away with the request as such. We will ponder on the addition and perhaps there is a phrasing that would prevent from such a loophole to come into existence."

EDIT: "As an addendum, I wanted to announce that my delegation and I have posted a new draft including the commentary regarding tertiary education and the source of information, yet before we add the aforementioned suggestion from the delegation from Araraukar, we request some time to deliberate on the matter, in light of the concerns we had about creating an unintentional, potential loophole.

Nonetheless, we would welcome any new thoughts and deliberations on the newest draft."
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:26 pm

Congratulations on winning yourself a Free Tinhamptonian Rewrite(TM) - you appear to repeat the same terms a lot of times in the text, here's how I'd cut it down :P:
The General Assembly,

Applauding the efforts made to improve the civil and political rights of sexual minorities,

Understanding that rights, rules and laws alone can not change individual attitudes towards non-heteronormativity or bring about understanding of the subject,

Acknowledging that educational establishments are uniquely empowered to improve the understanding of individuals that identify as being part of a sexual minority, and the struggles they face as a result of belonging to a sexual minority,

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  1. Defines:
    1. 'sexual minorities' as all sexual orientations that are not the dominant sexual orientation in a population of sapient beings;
    2. 'educational establishments' as all primary schools, secondary schools, educational facilities, and institutions providing education of a nature highly similar to the aforementioned facilities;

  2. Emphasizes that 'sexual orientation' and 'sexual preference' are two separate definitions, and thus are not to be used interchangeably;

  3. Mandates that member states include the history of the domestic and regional development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements into the curricula of all educational establishments within their jurisdiction; so as to promote awareness and understanding of the subject, and thwart the development or propagation of prejudices through ignorance;

  4. Requires all educational establishments under the jurisdiction of the member states to collaborate with organisations and institutions that have had experience in studying and/or furthering the rights of sexual minorities in implementing the requirements of Article 3, including to ensure that objective and factually verified information is included in the delivery of these requirements;

  5. Further requires that member states must allow all educational establishments within their jurisdiction to determine, in consultation with sexual minority rights activists groups like the LGBTQ+ communities, how best to implement the requirements of Article 3 (so as long as they are implemented in some form);

  6. Permits member states that have been judged to be veritably unable to shoulder the economic costs of this resolution to appeal to the WA General Accounting Office for funding, so as long as funds acquired under this section are used exclusively to ensure compliance with Article 3 among educational establishments within their jurisdiction;

  7. Encourages further legislation regarding the promotion of awareness of other ethnic, racial, and cultural minorities.

New title suggestion in any case: "Education on Sexual Minorities". The old title is a holdover from the first draft, which mainly required schools to organise a Sexual Minority Awareness Week every year, and may no longer be an accurate minisummary of your current draft.
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Postby Great Robertia » Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:58 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Congratulations on winning yourself a Free Tinhamptonian Rewrite(TM) - you appear to repeat the same terms a lot of times in the text, here's how I'd cut it down :P:
The General Assembly,

Applauding the efforts made to improve the civil and political rights of sexual minorities,

Understanding that rights, rules and laws alone can not change individual attitudes towards non-heteronormativity or bring about understanding of the subject,

Acknowledging that educational establishments are uniquely empowered to improve the understanding of individuals that identify as being part of a sexual minority, and the struggles they face as a result of belonging to a sexual minority,

Hereby:

  1. Defines:
    1. 'sexual minorities' as all sexual orientations that are not the dominant sexual orientation in a population of sapient beings;
    2. 'educational establishments' as all primary schools, secondary schools, educational facilities, and institutions providing education of a nature highly similar to the aforementioned facilities;

  2. Emphasizes that 'sexual orientation' and 'sexual preference' are two separate definitions, and thus are not to be used interchangeably;

  3. Mandates that member states include the history of the domestic and regional development of the rights of sexual minorities and related civil rights movements into the curricula of all educational establishments within their jurisdiction; so as to promote awareness and understanding of the subject, and thwart the development or propagation of prejudices through ignorance;

  4. Requires all educational establishments under the jurisdiction of the member states to collaborate with organisations and institutions that have had experience in studying and/or furthering the rights of sexual minorities in implementing the requirements of Article 3, including to ensure that objective and factually verified information is included in the delivery of these requirements;

  5. Further requires that member states must allow all educational establishments within their jurisdiction to determine, in consultation with sexual minority rights activists groups like the LGBTQ+ communities, how best to implement the requirements of Article 3 (so as long as they are implemented in some form);

  6. Permits member states that have been judged to be veritably unable to shoulder the economic costs of this resolution to appeal to the WA General Accounting Office for funding, so as long as funds acquired under this section are used exclusively to ensure compliance with Article 3 among educational establishments within their jurisdiction;

  7. Encourages further legislation regarding the promotion of awareness of other ethnic, racial, and cultural minorities.

New title suggestion in any case: "Education on Sexual Minorities". The old title is a holdover from the first draft, which mainly required schools to organise a Sexual Minority Awareness Week every year, and may no longer be an accurate minisummary of your current draft.


OOC: Thank you so much for tidying it up! I truly, tremendously appreciate it :) I believe my caution to phrase and word everything exactly as I had meant it was somewhat excessive. When I was writing the draft I had put up earlier today, I was already considering shortening a few things, but decided to leave it as it was for now. Nonetheless, thank you so much for helping this way! :D
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Postby Great Robertia » Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:45 am

OOC: I've been making small tweaks and corrections over the last few days to this draft, so new feedback on it would be appreciated! :)
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Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:37 am

I’m not sure, but I think E&C | Cultural Heritage works better
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