by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:53 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Ghost Land » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:59 am
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by Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:03 am
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:04 am
Prorescia wrote:Someone as young as 8 years old shouldn't have a criminal record for the rest of his life because of one mistake. This child obviously did something wrong and him getting suspended seems like fit punishment. If the kid was older, say 16, and he punched a defenseless classmate, maybe there could be some issue there, but he is too young to even have started the transition towards adulthood and shouldn't be trapped from now on. I mean, when I was 8, several times bullies were huge jerks and punched me or even hurt me worse, but now, some of those guys are nice people and would never think to hurt someone. Getting somebody in jail with a criminal record for the rest of their life seems much too excessive to me.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Prorescia » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:07 am
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:14 am
Prorescia wrote:A criminal record is a serious thing. This kid could be denied a job even with good creds because of some stupid thing he did when he was 8. I have known people who got a criminal record for something small when they were younger who now are on the verge of homelessness because of something they wish they didn't do years ago.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Andsed » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:17 am
by Prorescia » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:21 am
by Nuroblav » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:25 am
Prorescia wrote:I think that we need more rehabilitation in both. As I previously stated, some of the people I know are on the verge of homelessness for one mistake made long ago (with illegal drugs). While they shouldn't have done that, prison changed them. It made them sadder and detached about life. Looking at countries with more rehabilitation, 90% or more of inmates there come out as better people and almost none commit crimes ever again. Because of this, corporations are more willing to hire them and many of them feel happier after their time in prison because prisons have psychologists who get to the root of why they did crimes and attempt to fix that root. Because of our "deterrence-centric" prisons, this mere child will most likely live a worse life because they punched someone when they were only 8 years old and they shouldn't have been arrested in the first place.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:27 am
by Ghost Land » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:27 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Prorescia wrote:A criminal record is a serious thing. This kid could be denied a job even with good creds because of some stupid thing he did when he was 8. I have known people who got a criminal record for something small when they were younger who now are on the verge of homelessness because of something they wish they didn't do years ago.
Of course. This is the price of a deterrence-centric society.
And thanks to the handling of violent kids with the soft gloves, any adult who fights back against a child could be among those who are "on the verge of homelessness" even though they weren't the aggressors.
Why are parents who are okay with this happening to their sons and daughters when they are adults not okay with this happening to their sons and daughters when they are 8? Why are they only marginally more okay with it happening to them in their teen years, even though historically teen years had more in common with adulthood than with childhood?
I think a little bit of both; a greater emphasis on rehabilitation in adulthood AND deterrence in childhood; might be in order. But whatever solution we pick, the present gap between rehabilitation-centric handling of children and deterrence-centric handling of adults is just too vast.
by The Free Joy State » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:27 am
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by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:29 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Ah Lima. Supporting an 8 year old being arrested for baby slapping a teacher and causing no injury whatsoever.
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:This is probably gonna traumatize this kid for life. I'm just saying.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:29 am
Prorescia wrote:A criminal record is a serious thing. This kid could be denied a job even with good creds because of some stupid thing he did when he was 8. I have known people who got a criminal record for something small when they were younger who now are on the verge of homelessness because of something they wish they didn't do years ago.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:29 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Ah Lima. Supporting an 8 year old being arrested for baby slapping a teacher and causing no injury whatsoever.
Did you read the part of the OP where I said I wasn't sure if this particular arrest was justified?Borderlands of Rojava wrote:This is probably gonna traumatize this kid for life. I'm just saying.
Bullying also traumatizes kids for life. The tradeoff then becomes how much more of it would we have if we didn't send a message that children aren't immune from arrest.
by VlaRiSsiA » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:33 am
tl;dr - after nuclear war, corrupt oligarchical hellhole emerges. ogre leads revolution, kills oligarchs after civil war, improves quality of life with progressive social policies and industrialization. couple foreign invasions, assassination attempts, personal losses, and rebellions later, ogre goes psychotic and kills anyone he’s sus of. then a fascist midget invades and kills third of the population, ogre manages to defeat him but goes completely bonkers.
now we got a hyper-totalitarian hyper-militaristic industrial hive-mind quasi-slave state that the ogre 70 years ago would be horrified at
by Prorescia » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:34 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Ah Lima. Supporting an 8 year old being arrested for baby slapping a teacher and causing no injury whatsoever.
Did you read the part of the OP where I said I wasn't sure if this particular arrest was justified?Borderlands of Rojava wrote:This is probably gonna traumatize this kid for life. I'm just saying.
Bullying also traumatizes kids for life. The tradeoff then becomes how much more of it would we have if we didn't send a message that children aren't immune from arrest.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:34 am
VlaRiSsiA wrote:Why should anyone, let alone a child, be arrested for punching someone. That means we would all be in jail since nearly everyone has punched someone else in their lifetime. In fact, the cops were arguably more disciplinarian against the 8 year old than you average joe since I don’t see regular people going to prison for punching someone
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by VlaRiSsiA » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:40 am
True. If politicians can get away with war crimes, then it would be stupid for someone to be sent to prison for hitting another person. An 8yo going to jail for punching their teacher seems like something out of an Onion article. I guess their teacher is a Karen because there is no way that you would call the police on a child for losing their temperBorderlands of Rojava wrote:VlaRiSsiA wrote:Why should anyone, let alone a child, be arrested for punching someone. That means we would all be in jail since nearly everyone has punched someone else in their lifetime. In fact, the cops were arguably more disciplinarian against the 8 year old than you average joe since I don’t see regular people going to prison for punching someone
Idk, technically punching is illegal but you could probably get away with murder in many US cities, so a fist fight isn't shit.
tl;dr - after nuclear war, corrupt oligarchical hellhole emerges. ogre leads revolution, kills oligarchs after civil war, improves quality of life with progressive social policies and industrialization. couple foreign invasions, assassination attempts, personal losses, and rebellions later, ogre goes psychotic and kills anyone he’s sus of. then a fascist midget invades and kills third of the population, ogre manages to defeat him but goes completely bonkers.
now we got a hyper-totalitarian hyper-militaristic industrial hive-mind quasi-slave state that the ogre 70 years ago would be horrified at
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:56 am
Prorescia wrote:A criminal record is a serious thing. This kid could be denied a job even with good creds because of some stupid thing he did when he was 8. I have known people who got a criminal record for something small when they were younger who now are on the verge of homelessness because of something they wish they didn't do years ago.
by Galloism » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:57 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Even if handling children with the proverbial "kid gloves" is means to protect the vulnerable, in practice there's nothing to stop kids from taking it as an age-based loophole to commit all the crimes they want to.
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