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[DRAFT] A Miscarriage of Justice?

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Frieden-und Freudenland
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[DRAFT] A Miscarriage of Justice?

Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:10 pm

Inspiration: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... rth-charge

[description]A recent special dossier published by The @@CAPITAL@@ Weekly drew attention to the dozens of women languishing in @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ prisons for having allegedly induced a miscarriage. Most of these women, however, claim that they either had natural miscarriages or gave birth to stillborn babies, and demand justice.

[validity]abortion is illegal (and punishable by jail term?)

1. [option]"This is a huge mess, just as we have been telling the government it would be!" snorts @@RANDOMNAMEFEMALE1@@, a lawyer and women's rights activist, plopping her briefcase on your desk. "Tell me one foolproof way of knowing whether a miscarriage or stillbirth occurred due to natural causes or not. You can't, because it is impossible to tell. Statistically speaking, we are definitely incarcerating innocent women who did not induce abortion. We need to stop imprisoning women for abortion and instead focus on more constructive methods of discouraging it, such as mandatory lessons on why the life of a fetus is so precious and should be protected."

[effect]state-funded pro-life classes are so boring that they function as effective birth control

2. [option]"I would like to deconstruct the logic here," interrupts @@RANDOMNAMEMALE2@@, an misogynistic philosophy professor from @@ANIMAL@@ City University, rubbing his beard. "Suppose these women did not want to kill their babies, but suffered unintended cases of miscarriage or stillbirth...Does that absolve them from any moral responsibility for the tragic outcome? Think about it. Gestation and birth are such natural processes for all mammals, when one of these processes does not function well, it raises the question of whether the mother did everything right to make sure Nature took its course. Did she have a proper diet? Did she seek prenatal care? Did she avoid heavy exercise or stress? My wife @@RANDOMFIRSTNAMEFEMALE@@ followed her doctor's orders to the tee and gave birth to six healthy kids, as expected . All I can assume about these 'stillbirthers' is that they have failed to take care of their bodies during pregnancy, leading to their babies' demise. Technically, this is manslaughter. Ergo, their punishment is just, even if it is for neglect and not for abortion per se. Quod erat demonstrandum."

[effect]pregnant women who eat candies are fined for predisposing their kids to diabetes

[validity]marriage

2. [option]"I would like to deconstruct the logic here," interrupts @@RANDOMNAMEMALE2@@, an misogynistic philosophy professor from @@ANIMAL@@ City University, rubbing his beard. "Suppose these women did not want to kill their babies, but suffered unintended cases of miscarriage or stillbirth...Does that absolve them from any moral responsibility for the tragic outcome? Think about it. Gestation and birth are such natural processes for all mammals, when one of these processes does not function well, it raises the question of whether the mother did everything right to make sure Nature took its course. Did she have a proper diet? Did she seek prenatal care? Did she avoid heavy exercise or stress? My partner @@RANDOMFIRSTNAMEFEMALE@@ followed her doctor's orders to the tee and gave birth to six healthy kids, as expected . All I can assume about these 'stillbirthers' is that they have failed to take care of their bodies during pregnancy, leading to their babies' demise. Technically, this is manslaughter. Ergo, their punishment is just, even if it is for neglect and not for abortion per se. Quod erat demonstrandum."

[effect]pregnant women who eat candies are fined for predisposing their kids to diabetes

[validity]no marriage
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Postby Trotterdam » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:42 pm

This is briefly touched on by the last option of #817.

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:[validity]abortion is illegal (and punishable by jail term?)
I don't think we have a policy over exactly what the punishment for abortion is if it's illegal, but we do have a policy for abolishing prisons entirely. It's entirely possible for a nation to have both No Abortion and No Prison. In fact, my data shows a minor positive correlation between the two (the number of nations with both policies is slightly larger than would be suggested strictly by chance). Do no harm?

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Postby Jutsa » Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:25 am

Not that every issue playing on policies needs a reversal option, but I can't help but feel like this feels like it's missing that option.

Would be sort of an amusing contrast to have a really short final option juxtaposed against the heartier rest of the issue. :P

ed: Love the issue though, and really love the title.
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