by US-SSR » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:08 pm
by Salus Maior » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:11 pm
by Agarntrop » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:12 pm
by The Emerald Legion » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:17 pm
by Soiled fruit roll ups » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:19 pm
by Aeritai » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:20 pm
by Region of Dwipantara » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:26 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:No. And we should use them more often.
Aeritai wrote:Considering we have MAD I'm pretty sure we don't have to worry about nukes being used. Ironically nuclear weapons have kept us away from another global war. But who knows 2020 might just give us one final surprise.
1418-DZQ-02/1998-MAR-03
RADIO FREE SOUTHEAST ASIA | Charta Politica February polling: Pro-Khilafah 35.6% (PKI 28.7%, SI 6.9%); Pro-Republiken 64.4% (PAN 7.4%, PKB 13.2%, PRD 5.8%, PDDP 37.9%)
by Disgraces » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:29 pm
Aeritai wrote:Considering we have MAD I'm pretty sure we don't have to worry about nukes being used. Ironically nuclear weapons have kept us away from another global war. But who knows 2020 might just give us one final surprise.
by Region of Dwipantara » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:30 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Is it a war crime to mass murder civilians?
1418-DZQ-02/1998-MAR-03
RADIO FREE SOUTHEAST ASIA | Charta Politica February polling: Pro-Khilafah 35.6% (PKI 28.7%, SI 6.9%); Pro-Republiken 64.4% (PAN 7.4%, PKB 13.2%, PRD 5.8%, PDDP 37.9%)
by Region of Dwipantara » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:31 pm
1418-DZQ-02/1998-MAR-03
RADIO FREE SOUTHEAST ASIA | Charta Politica February polling: Pro-Khilafah 35.6% (PKI 28.7%, SI 6.9%); Pro-Republiken 64.4% (PAN 7.4%, PKB 13.2%, PRD 5.8%, PDDP 37.9%)
by Aeritai » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:32 pm
Mutually assured destruction (MAD) is a doctrine of military strategy and national security policy in which a full-scale use of nuclear weapons by two or more opposing sides would cause the complete annihilation of both the attacker and the defender (see pre-emptive nuclear strike and second strike).[1] It is based on the theory of deterrence, which holds that the threat of using strong weapons against the enemy prevents the enemy's use of those same weapons. The strategy is a form of Nash equilibrium in which, once armed, neither side has any incentive to initiate a conflict or to disarm.
by Nevertopia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:35 pm
So the CCP won't let me be or let me be me so let me see, they tried to shut me down on CBC but it feels so empty without me.
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by Region of Dwipantara » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:37 pm
Nevertopia wrote:No nuclear weapons usage shouldnt be a war crime, unfortunately they are a surprisingly good deterrent for would-be aggressors. but I do believe in limiting and restricting them in every other way so that they are virtually never going to be used.
1418-DZQ-02/1998-MAR-03
RADIO FREE SOUTHEAST ASIA | Charta Politica February polling: Pro-Khilafah 35.6% (PKI 28.7%, SI 6.9%); Pro-Republiken 64.4% (PAN 7.4%, PKB 13.2%, PRD 5.8%, PDDP 37.9%)
by Agarntrop » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:01 pm
Region of Dwipantara wrote:Nevertopia wrote:No nuclear weapons usage shouldnt be a war crime, unfortunately they are a surprisingly good deterrent for would-be aggressors. but I do believe in limiting and restricting them in every other way so that they are virtually never going to be used.
How would we achieve that while simultaneously keeping MAD principle?
by Region of Dwipantara » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:03 pm
Agarntrop wrote:Region of Dwipantara wrote:How would we achieve that while simultaneously keeping MAD principle?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_ ... ar_Weapons
1418-DZQ-02/1998-MAR-03
RADIO FREE SOUTHEAST ASIA | Charta Politica February polling: Pro-Khilafah 35.6% (PKI 28.7%, SI 6.9%); Pro-Republiken 64.4% (PAN 7.4%, PKB 13.2%, PRD 5.8%, PDDP 37.9%)
by Agarntrop » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:04 pm
Region of Dwipantara wrote:
So... do nothing since the treaty already happened? And then again, the largest risk for nuclear war –India vs. Pakistan– didn't sign the treaty, which is understandable considering that they've gotten into big conflicts again and again.
by Greed and Death » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:23 pm
by Aureumterra » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:53 pm
Region of Dwipantara wrote:Salus Maior wrote:Is it a war crime to mass murder civilians?
Yes, but by that time the institution of international law will already collapsed, so not anymore...?
Also the alternative to nuking Japan is the Operation Downfall invasion plan, a lunatic disaster waiting to happen that will see at the minimum of 1 million US soldier dead, multiple nukes on the beaches of Kyushu (radiation wasn't perfectly understood by then), the total destruction of Japan and its infrastructure, and the death of approximately 75% of the Japanese population through warfare and starvation.
by Picairn » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:24 pm
US-SSR wrote:The US justification for using nuclear weapons on Japan was equal parts racism, vengeance and the desire to impress the rest of the world, particularly the Soviet Union, with its unassailable military might heading into the postwar period. Truman's statement on Hiroshima claimed, "The Japanese began the war from the air at Pearl Harbor. They have been repaid many fold."
by Thermodolia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:28 pm
Picairn wrote:US-SSR wrote:The US justification for using nuclear weapons on Japan was equal parts racism, vengeance and the desire to impress the rest of the world, particularly the Soviet Union, with its unassailable military might heading into the postwar period. Truman's statement on Hiroshima claimed, "The Japanese began the war from the air at Pearl Harbor. They have been repaid many fold."
What does racism have to do with the bombings?
by Nevertopia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:29 pm
Region of Dwipantara wrote:
So... do nothing since the treaty already happened? And then again, the largest risk for nuclear war –India vs. Pakistan– didn't sign the treaty, which is understandable considering that they've gotten into big conflicts again and again.
So the CCP won't let me be or let me be me so let me see, they tried to shut me down on CBC but it feels so empty without me.
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by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:31 pm
Picairn wrote:US-SSR wrote:The US justification for using nuclear weapons on Japan was equal parts racism, vengeance and the desire to impress the rest of the world, particularly the Soviet Union, with its unassailable military might heading into the postwar period. Truman's statement on Hiroshima claimed, "The Japanese began the war from the air at Pearl Harbor. They have been repaid many fold."
What does racism have to do with the bombings?
by Thermodolia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:34 pm
Region of Dwipantara wrote:Salus Maior wrote:Is it a war crime to mass murder civilians?
Yes, but by that time the institution of international law will already collapsed, so not anymore...?
Also the alternative to nuking Japan is the Operation Downfall invasion plan, a lunatic disaster waiting to happen that will see at the minimum of 1 million US soldier dead, multiple nukes on the beaches of Kyushu (radiation wasn't perfectly understood by then), the total destruction of Japan and its infrastructure, and the death of approximately 75% of the Japanese population through warfare and starvation.
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