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[DRAFT #2] InstaRepeal! SC#318 "Commend Nuremgard"

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[DRAFT #2] InstaRepeal! SC#318 "Commend Nuremgard"

Postby Tinhampton » Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:36 pm

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Repeal "Commend Nuremgard"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.
Category: Repeal
Resolution: SC#318
Proposed by: Tinhampton

Security Council Resolution #318 “Commend Nuremgard” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

THE SECURITY COUNCIL:

AWARE that both authors and critics of proposals submitted for this august body's consideration typically value the presence of true, accurate, verifiable and reliable information highly in determining whether they ought to be enacted as resolutions;

HORRIFIED at how SC#318's claims about Nuremgard's international contributions failed to meet even basic standards of accuracy, let alone exacting ones; and CITING, among its many errors, the following:
  • "Expats On The Electoral Roll?" was in fact premised on the removal of a retired soldier from a voting booth in the foreign country of Brancaland; the resolution's claims that it refers to any malfunctioning kitchen equipment in any capacity have been demonstrated by thousands of world leaders over the past four years to be patently wrong;
  • "Vexing VAT" only describes a protest about high levels of sales tax, does not impose any new taxes on nations (especially given that the otherwise omniscient gnomes of the World Census only track levels of income tax), and has most certainly not been presented to "every nation in the multiverse" in the way that Briefing Paper #0 "Should Democracy Be Compulsory?" was from the dawn of known existence until recently; and
  • nowhere in "Primogeniture Problems" is it apparent that anyone from any nation, let alone Nuremgard, is guilty of or complicit in "drug[ging] absolute monarchs and impersonat[ing] members of their royal courts" - especially given that rulers of constitutional monarchies can also receive the relevant Briefing Paper - or that any of the options available to world leaders will directly plunge their nation into a "civil war;"

BAFFLED at the insinuation that failure to address many of the other problems that Nuremgardian activists have presented to world leaders without much guidance from abroad - focusing not on broad and sweeping matters, but rather on discrete topics such as work capability assessments, the inheritance rights of slaves, high levels of spending by opulent royals, and the proper way to greet national leaders - would cause the collapse of every single government in the world, let alone one; and

CONVINCED that, by the precedent set in SC#81 "Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta,"" it ought to strike out those passed resolutions which are grounded in dubious and overexaggerated statements, particularly claims that the action or inaction of a particular nominee is bound to result in a large-scale international crisis of governance:

HEREBY REPEALS SC#318 "Commend Nuremgard."


THE SECURITY COUNCIL:

CONVINCED that true, accurate, and reliable information is needed in resolutions now more than ever, especially when proposals are often thoroughly fact-checked and the Secretariat has even seen fit to outlaw the sharing of misinformation about certain deadly pandemics;

HORRIFIED at how SC#318's claims about Nuremgard's international contributions failed to meet even basic standards of accuracy, let alone exacting ones; and CITING, among its many errors, the following:
  • Briefing Paper #768 "Trouble Brewing?" concerned itself with lacklustre cups of tea, not health and safety requirements in tattoo parlours; and was first presented to the nations of the world by Candlewhisper Archive, not Nuremgard;
  • the report described in "Feudal Feuds" was published by government, not malicious serfs; the only serfs whose contributions in the ensuing multiversal debates were recorded focused on the abolition of serfdom and the aristocracy rather than needlessly "forging economic reports;"
  • "Expats On The Electoral Roll?" was in fact premised on the removal of a retired soldier from a voting booth in the foreign country of Brancaland; the resolution's claims that it refers to any malfunctioning kitchen equipment in any capacity have been demonstrated by thousands of world leaders over the past four years to be patently wrong; and
  • "Vexing VAT" only describes a protest about high levels of sales tax, does not impose any new taxes on nations, and has most certainly not been presented to "every nation in the multiverse" in the way that Briefing Paper #0 "Should Democracy Be Compulsory?" was from the dawn of known existence until recently; and

BELIEVING that - while Nuremgard may be worthy of Commendation - they undoubtedly deserve to be recognised by a resolution that is both more efficiently-worded and less fictitious than the target resolution:

HEREBY REPEALS SC#318 "Commend Nuremgard."
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Postby Morover » Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:40 pm

Against. I also can't really see a universe in which the first clause is not in violation of R4.
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Postby Cretox State » Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:43 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Briefing Paper #768 "Trouble Brewing?" concerned itself with lacklustre cups of tea, not health and safety requirements in tattoo parlours; and was first presented to the nations of the world by Candlewhisper Archive, not Nuremgard;

OOC: Pulled. Damn fat fingers.

Edit: Would it kill you people to point out these things before the proposal gets submitted? You clearly spent time writing this repeal, and clearly knew of the typo.
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Postby Praeceps » Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:59 pm

Cretox State wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Briefing Paper #768 "Trouble Brewing?" concerned itself with lacklustre cups of tea, not health and safety requirements in tattoo parlours; and was first presented to the nations of the world by Candlewhisper Archive, not Nuremgard;

OOC: Pulled. Damn fat fingers.

Edit: Would it kill you people to point out these things before the proposal gets submitted? You clearly spent time writing this repeal, and clearly knew of the typo.

Yeah, what was the point of noticing an issue with a draft but not pointing it out?

That's seriously not cool.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:17 pm

Praeceps wrote:
Cretox State wrote:OOC: Pulled. Damn fat fingers.

Edit: Would it kill you people to point out these things before the proposal gets submitted? You clearly spent time writing this repeal, and clearly knew of the typo.

Yeah, what was the point of noticing an issue with a draft but not pointing it out?

That's seriously not cool.

Agreed. If there are problems with a draft it is polite to let the author know before they submit. Writing a smart-arse repeal as some form of gotcha is pretty low.
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Postby SkyDip » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:42 am

Reserving such points of contention for an insta-repeal instead of contributing to the drafting of the original proposal in question is really shitty badge-hunting at it’s worst. Firmly against.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:39 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Praeceps wrote:Yeah, what was the point of noticing an issue with a draft but not pointing it out?

That's seriously not cool.

Agreed. If there are problems with a draft it is polite to let the author know before they submit. Writing a smart-arse repeal as some form of gotcha is pretty low.


SkyDip wrote:Reserving such points of contention for an insta-repeal instead of contributing to the drafting of the original proposal in question is really shitty badge-hunting at it’s worst. Firmly against.

Pretty standard Tinhampton antics here. No real surprises.
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Postby Madison and Wisconsin » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:41 pm

I am against this due to the above reasons (1. the "convinced" sentence probably being illegal and 2. you could have pointed this out before the original Commend Nuremgard proposal was submitted).
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:03 pm

Wayneactia wrote:Pretty standard Tinhampton antics here. No real surprises.

lol :P but a new draft for real this time tho :flushed:

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Postby Candensia » Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:33 pm

I'm not sure that pointing out subtle "inaccuracies" and nitpicking about the overall scope of Nuremgard's issues makes for a strong repeal argument, unless you intend to repeal and replace.

I can't support a standalone repeal.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:43 pm

I’ll support any repeal of this.
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Postby Cretox State » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:18 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Pretty standard Tinhampton antics here. No real surprises.

lol :P but a new draft for real this time tho :flushed:

RE "work capability assessments:" Many British disability campaigners and the Labour Party have attempted to pressure the Conservative administrations of the past ten years into changing tack on fitness-for-work assessments to claim Universal Credit etc., but they have not proven successful on this front, whether in terms of policy or electoral success... YET

OOC: Seriously, what's with this recent trend of you throwing buckets and buckets of smashed-together proposals against the wall and hoping something sticks? What's with this recent trend of you trying to "instarepeal" anything that you haven't written? You could've made these criticisms during the drafting of the target proposal. You could've pointed out the typo. You deliberately chose not to. You noticed a typo, and instead of contacting me, or posting in the drafting thread, you decided to throw together a full-fledged repeal and quietly put it up. Were you hoping I wouldn't notice and pull the proposal before it got to vote? I don't browse the SC subforum on a regular basis; I probably wouldn't have even noticed had I not clicked on your name from the index page out of curiosity. This is disingenuous and highly insulting.

Also, are you seriously incapable of coming up with better arguments than "I don't like the author's stylistic choices"? I set out to commend Nuremgard for their issue writing. I made the stylistic decisions I did to try and make the proposal entertaining and unique. You're not even nitpicking at this point. For the life of me, I can't see any logic behind this repeal other than a shoddy attempt at badge hunting.

I'm well aware of the criticism levied against you by other authors. I'm sad to say they were proven completely right.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:37 am

Good job Tin, you’ve basically tainted the well for any proposal to repeal this for a while.
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Postby SkyDip » Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:35 am

Still against, for all the reasons Cretox stated above.
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Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Wymondham » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:47 pm

Firmly against, I'm someone who's kinda new to the SC game even I can tell that it is only polite to point out stuff like this in the drafting process, to deliberately not do so, with the view of getting some form of badge from "insta-repealing" it is disingenuous at best
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