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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:06 pm

A lot of musicians and music fans are criticising Spotify's streaming payouts, which are currently sitting at $0.0032 a stream, claiming that such low numbers are exploitative of the artists. Similar criticism is handed to other streaming sites, which don't seem to pay big money.

But my opinion is that they don't show the issue with streaming, but with music. A lot of musicians don't think about whether music pays enough, or whether they should look into a different field - they just go into an industry that pays pennies, and then complain about the nature of the field they voluntarily entered, instead of asking themselves whether the world needs another white boy with an acoustic guitar or black boy with a couple or rhymes. They keep complaining, and yet release their songs online - maybe because deep down they realise that this is how much their music is worth?

And what do you think? Do musicians deserve more money than that?
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Postby Uiiop » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:26 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:A lot of musicians and music fans are criticising Spotify's streaming payouts, which are currently sitting at $0.0032 a stream, claiming that such low numbers are exploitative of the artists. Similar criticism is handed to other streaming sites, which don't seem to pay big money.

But my opinion is that they don't show the issue with streaming, but with music. A lot of musicians don't think about whether music pays enough, or whether they should look into a different field - they just go into an industry that pays pennies, and then complain about the nature of the field they voluntarily entered, instead of asking themselves whether the world needs another white boy with an acoustic guitar or black boy with a couple or rhymes. They keep complaining, and yet release their songs online - maybe because deep down they realise that this is how much their music is worth?

And what do you think? Do musicians deserve more money than that?

Art is it's own reward. Not nessiclry a thing that can override bitching about money but one that continuing to make it doesn't mean they secretly agree on their worth.
How does your armchair psychoanalysis square with people who are worthy enough to get by in this industry still complaining about it? It's not just the "Deservedly poor" complaining about this.

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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:38 pm

Next thing you know they're gonna blame the people and their fans who stream their music for free rather than buy their songs on iTunes. If you're a successful recording artist like Taylor Swift for example, frankly you need to calm down.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:45 pm

Simple: if you don't like how much streaming pays, then only make your music available in formats that require people to pay for it.
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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:51 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:Simple: if you don't like how much streaming pays, then only make your music available in formats that require people to pay for it.

That strategy may have worked about 10-15 years ago, now it doesn't work like that. Streaming is the future, they have to get over it, or move on from their career as a musician. People are not buying shit on iTunes en masse like they were several years ago, people are choosing to stream it on Spotify, or YouTube, where it's readily available.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:13 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Simple: if you don't like how much streaming pays, then only make your music available in formats that require people to pay for it.

That strategy may have worked about 10-15 years ago, now it doesn't work like that. Streaming is the future, they have to get over it, or move on from their career as a musician. People are not buying shit on iTunes en masse like they were several years ago, people are choosing to stream it on Spotify, or YouTube, where it's readily available.

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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:17 pm

It's such a highly subjective question, I'd say it should be up to the artist(s) to decide whether they want to be streamed on Spotify or not, and whether or not they feel strongly enough to try to negotiate with the streaming service.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:48 pm

I personally would recommend becoming a music teacher or professor before trying to work as a musician. And before that, a trained student of music.

I've found that the better musicians are educated.
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Postby Soiled fruit roll ups » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:24 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:A lot of musicians and music fans are criticising Spotify's streaming payouts, which are currently sitting at $0.0032 a stream, claiming that such low numbers are exploitative of the artists. Similar criticism is handed to other streaming sites, which don't seem to pay big money.

But my opinion is that they don't show the issue with streaming, but with music. A lot of musicians don't think about whether music pays enough, or whether they should look into a different field - they just go into an industry that pays pennies, and then complain about the nature of the field they voluntarily entered, instead of asking themselves whether the world needs another white boy with an acoustic guitar or black boy with a couple or rhymes. They keep complaining, and yet release their songs online - maybe because deep down they realise that this is how much their music is worth?

And what do you think? Do musicians deserve more money than that?


Does Spotify even have any competition?
I actually can't think of any.

Maybe wanna look at breaking it up.
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Postby Praising GFriend Eunha Thiccness » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:27 pm

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Postby Asle Leopolka » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:21 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Simple: if you don't like how much streaming pays, then only make your music available in formats that require people to pay for it.

That strategy may have worked about 10-15 years ago, now it doesn't work like that. Streaming is the future, they have to get over it, or move on from their career as a musician. People are not buying shit on iTunes en masse like they were several years ago, people are choosing to stream it on Spotify, or YouTube, where it's readily available.

Seriously. Garth Brooks is the biggest star voicing this and he's too stubborn to realize how wrong he is.

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Petrolheadia wrote:A lot of musicians and music fans are criticising Spotify's streaming payouts, which are currently sitting at $0.0032 a stream, claiming that such low numbers are exploitative of the artists. Similar criticism is handed to other streaming sites, which don't seem to pay big money.

But my opinion is that they don't show the issue with streaming, but with music. A lot of musicians don't think about whether music pays enough, or whether they should look into a different field - they just go into an industry that pays pennies, and then complain about the nature of the field they voluntarily entered, instead of asking themselves whether the world needs another white boy with an acoustic guitar or black boy with a couple or rhymes. They keep complaining, and yet release their songs online - maybe because deep down they realise that this is how much their music is worth?

And what do you think? Do musicians deserve more money than that?


Does Spotify even have any competition?
I actually can't think of any.

Maybe wanna look at breaking it up.

Pandora, Last.FM, iHeartRadio, SiriusXM, Apple Music, and Youtube all immediately come to mind.
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Postby Nuroblav » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:38 am

Music isn't about money...it's about...music? This reminds me a lot of Lars Ulrich whining about people listening to his band's music for free. Money shouldn't be a problem for already successful artists (although I don't know who specifically is complaining).
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Postby -Ocelot- » Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:56 am

Nuroblav wrote:Music isn't about money...it's about...music? This reminds me a lot of Lars Ulrich whining about people listening to his band's music for free. Money shouldn't be a problem for already successful artists (although I don't know who specifically is complaining).


I agree with this. You should work all day long to produce quality music, and I should listen it for free, no strings attached. Seems like a fair exchange.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:37 am

Asle Leopolka wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:That strategy may have worked about 10-15 years ago, now it doesn't work like that. Streaming is the future, they have to get over it, or move on from their career as a musician. People are not buying shit on iTunes en masse like they were several years ago, people are choosing to stream it on Spotify, or YouTube, where it's readily available.

Seriously. Garth Brooks is the biggest star voicing this and he's too stubborn to realize how wrong he is.

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Does Spotify even have any competition?
I actually can't think of any.

Maybe wanna look at breaking it up.

Pandora, Last.FM, iHeartRadio, SiriusXM, Apple Music, and Youtube all immediately come to mind.

Plus buying the physical copies.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:38 am

Soiled fruit roll ups wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:A lot of musicians and music fans are criticising Spotify's streaming payouts, which are currently sitting at $0.0032 a stream, claiming that such low numbers are exploitative of the artists. Similar criticism is handed to other streaming sites, which don't seem to pay big money.

But my opinion is that they don't show the issue with streaming, but with music. A lot of musicians don't think about whether music pays enough, or whether they should look into a different field - they just go into an industry that pays pennies, and then complain about the nature of the field they voluntarily entered, instead of asking themselves whether the world needs another white boy with an acoustic guitar or black boy with a couple or rhymes. They keep complaining, and yet release their songs online - maybe because deep down they realise that this is how much their music is worth?

And what do you think? Do musicians deserve more money than that?


Does Spotify even have any competition?
I actually can't think of any.

Maybe wanna look at breaking it up.

One of my issues with democracy is that people who don't know about Apple Music or YouTube Music are supposed to speak on whether Spotify is a monopoly.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:41 am

Sundiata wrote:I personally would recommend becoming a music teacher or professor before trying to work as a musician. And before that, a trained student of music.

I've found that the better musicians are educated.

What about the legions of people who changed music without that? Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, The Beatles, The Kinks, The Rolling Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Grandmaster Flash, N.W.A...
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:02 am

How much do Spotify make per stream?
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Postby Twicetagram and JYPE » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:18 am

I don't really know. Spotify is like THE major music streaming app. No one uses iTunes or Groove music anymore. If they have problems maybe they should move to Soundcloud, but I'm not sure if Soundcloud has a streamed musician pay.

Edit: One more thing. If Spotify makes like a few percent of money from streaming then it's fine but I think most of the moneys should go to the artists who actually (make and) post the music.
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Petrolheadia wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I personally would recommend becoming a music teacher or professor before trying to work as a musician. And before that, a trained student of music.

I've found that the better musicians are educated.

What about the legions of people who changed music without that? Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, The Beatles, The Kinks, The Rolling Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Grandmaster Flash, N.W.A...

There are definitely a lot of them...
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Uiiop wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:A lot of musicians and music fans are criticising Spotify's streaming payouts, which are currently sitting at $0.0032 a stream, claiming that such low numbers are exploitative of the artists. Similar criticism is handed to other streaming sites, which don't seem to pay big money.

But my opinion is that they don't show the issue with streaming, but with music. A lot of musicians don't think about whether music pays enough, or whether they should look into a different field - they just go into an industry that pays pennies, and then complain about the nature of the field they voluntarily entered, instead of asking themselves whether the world needs another white boy with an acoustic guitar or black boy with a couple or rhymes. They keep complaining, and yet release their songs online - maybe because deep down they realise that this is how much their music is worth?

And what do you think? Do musicians deserve more money than that?

Art is it's own reward. Not nessiclry a thing that can override bitching about money but one that continuing to make it doesn't mean they secretly agree on their worth.
How does your armchair psychoanalysis square with people who are worthy enough to get by in this industry still complaining about it? It's not just the "Deservedly poor" complaining about this.

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Postby Kannap » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:48 am

Sundiata wrote:I personally would recommend becoming a music teacher or professor before trying to work as a musician. And before that, a trained student of music.

I've found that the better musicians are educated.


I've found that the better musicians are the local street buskers. There's this one lady who plays some mean spoons and I love her.

Today I learned she has a Wikipedia page
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:23 pm

Kannap wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I personally would recommend becoming a music teacher or professor before trying to work as a musician. And before that, a trained student of music.

I've found that the better musicians are educated.


I've found that the better musicians are the local street buskers. There's this one lady who plays some mean spoons and I love her.

Today I learned she has a Wikipedia page

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Postby Sundiata » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:31 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I personally would recommend becoming a music teacher or professor before trying to work as a musician. And before that, a trained student of music.

I've found that the better musicians are educated.

What about the legions of people who changed music without that? Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, The Beatles, The Kinks, The Rolling Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Grandmaster Flash, N.W.A...

Most popular musicians are fantastic artists but there are few who have actually mastered music as a discipline.

The best way of doing so is to receive a proper education in music. This can range from a bachelor's degree, a master's degree, or even the doctorate level.

The doctoral level is where the greatest experts reside, more often than not.
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Postby Uiiop » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:45 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:What about the legions of people who changed music without that? Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, The Beatles, The Kinks, The Rolling Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Grandmaster Flash, N.W.A...

Most popular musicians are fantastic artists but there are few who have actually mastered music as a discipline.

The best way of doing so is to receive a proper education in music. This can range from a bachelor's degree, a master's degree, or even the doctorate level.

The doctoral level is where the greatest experts reside, more often than not.

Universities grant that shit honoris causa tho so the very people you decided as the arbiter of musician legitimacy doesn't actually share your standards.

This ignores the fact the OP defines betternot as "What's Sundiata personal standards" but "Who gets paid more". A quick glance at my link shows that becoming a professor doesn't bring in the big bucks.

Mind you i respect your standards more than Petrol's "Pretend the music industry isn't propped up at least partially by cronyism and believe in the just world fallacy" if only because the former actually has one. It's just that it's not related to the point.
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Postby Kannap » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:47 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Kannap wrote:
I've found that the better musicians are the local street buskers. There's this one lady who plays some mean spoons and I love her.

Today I learned she has a Wikipedia page

Are you just making a point of believing the opposite of everything I do? :p


You stated your opinion, I stated mine. You don't have to be educated to be talented.
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