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Progressive Regional Index [PRI

Postby Whole India » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:05 am

I propose a new concept in NS. I propose a Progressive Regional Index [PRI]. Under this index, I propose a 4 monthly updating of regions in rankings based on their many things. The census will give points to regions, out of 300.

This will have all collected data like
1] in a region there are how many WAs? [this will be in Percent and that much percent will be converted to points out of 100]
2] And from the WAs how many have endorsed WAD? [again percent converted to points out of 100]
3] Are there elections? [if yes, 20 points if no 0 points. If yes then in excess like after one election in 10 days another = '-10' points and if rare like a year then '-5' points; if at a good basis like 4 months or 4 and half and in that span you finish all ministry elections and extra position elections then '+20']
4] And is there a registration of Citizenship or not? [If yes +10 if no '0'. If there is a short process, less time taking then '+10' and if long then '-5']
5] Does the region have its Military or not? [ if yes '+30', if no '-10']
6] Are there Ministries or is there autocracy or is there a aristocracy? [if many people rule for a 'term' and many have power due to elections then '+10', if one man's rule then even if elected still '-10' if any other non-elected system in which the main ruler chooses his successor then still '-10']

These will be the factors we will determine a better region in the PRI. It shall be a 4 monthly index.
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Postby Boda » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:09 am

What exactly is the point of this?
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Postby The New Cordian Empire » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:31 am

He was hyping it up in a dispatch that notably called for a Nationalist/Fascist TSP. IDK what the point is :/
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Postby The New Cordian Empire » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:32 am

He’s actually done this before...? And it died.
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Postby The Church of Satan » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:15 pm

So this is supposed to wag a finger at non-democratic regions then? Because that's what I'm getting from this. Don't get me wrong I love democracy but some regions just don't operate that way and no amount of finger wagging will change that.
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Postby Spode Humbled Minions » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:46 pm

Doesn't look like this proposal is going to get many people on board (and to be honest, I'm not even quite sure what this is for) but for what it's worth, here's one data point, for the LCN.

185*

*maths
The LCN has 43 members who are WA members, out of 108 total members

43/108 = 0.39814814814, or 40 points

The delegate has 30 out of 43 WA members endorsing them

30/43 = 0.6976744186 is about 70 points

40 points for consistent elections

5 points, the citizenship process is long by design, but does exist

30 points for having a military

Because the LCN has appointed positions, unelected positions, and elected positions, I’ll just put it as 10+ (for elected positions), -10 (for the unelected ones), for a net of 0 points

30 + 5 + 40 + 70 + 40 = 185
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Postby Xoriet » Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:46 pm

"The Index will have Top 20 Regions based on The Most World Assembly Endorsements in the World. And population above 10 or 10."

You are aware that there is no possible way a 10-nation region could have the most WA endorsements in the world? The top 20 regions are well into the hundreds of nations.
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Postby Varanius » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:52 am

Xoriet wrote:"The Index will have Top 20 Regions based on The Most World Assembly Endorsements in the World. And population above 10 or 10."

You are aware that there is no possible way a 10-nation region could have the most WA endorsements in the world? The top 20 regions are well into the hundreds of nations.

Really? I thought it just dropped from TNP to a 10 nation UCR in the blink of an eye. Are you telling me there are a whole 20 regions with more then 11 WAD endorsements? What madness is this?!

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Postby Jar Wattinree » Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:05 pm

Whole India wrote:I propose a new concept in NS. I propose a Progressive Regional Index [PRI]. Under this index, I propose a 4 monthly updating of regions in rankings based on their many things. The census will give points to regions, out of 300.

This will have all collected data like
1] in a region there are how many WAs? [this will be in Percent and that much percent will be converted to points out of 100]
2] And from the WAs how many have endorsed WAD? [again percent converted to points out of 100]

These are quantifiable by the game code easily enough. It's just that the GCRs will dominate the rankings.

Whole India wrote:3] Are there elections? [if yes, 20 points if no 0 points. If yes then in excess like after one election in 10 days another = '-10' points and if rare like a year then '-5' points; if at a good basis like 4 months or 4 and half and in that span you finish all ministry elections and extra position elections then '+20']
4] And is there a registration of Citizenship or not? [If yes +10 if no '0'. If there is a short process, less time taking then '+10' and if long then '-5']
5] Does the region have its Military or not? [ if yes '+30', if no '-10']
6] Are there Ministries or is there autocracy or is there a aristocracy? [if many people rule for a 'term' and many have power due to elections then '+10', if one man's rule then even if elected still '-10' if any other non-elected system in which the main ruler chooses his successor then still '-10']

These will be the factors we will determine a better region in the PRI. It shall be a 4 monthly index.

Number 3 is a technical impossibility. Every region goes through two elections daily, an election at Minor Update and an election at Major Update. It just happens that for the majority of regions the incumbent wins all elections.

Number 4 is also a technical impossibility, as "citizen registration" is an offsite thing. Unless you meant Influence + Residency, but then that is redundant.

Number 5 is also a technical impossibility. How is the game supposed to determine what is a "military" and what are just WAs endorsing certain nations? If this were quantifiable, then R/D would have been changed enormously nearly two decades ago.

Number 6 is also a technical impossibility. As stated in number 3, every region has two elections, one at Minor and one at Major. It is impossible for there to be an autocracy or aristocracy, unless you decide that Founders are always autocrats unless they make their position non-Executive upon founding the region and decide that all Regional Officers are aristocrats because they are appointed by the Founder or Executive WAD. How are you supposed to quantify that?

What you are really trying to do is adopt the "national" model of stats to regions. Regions have certain technical limitations that nations do not have. And there's no way you can tie Issue answering to an entity like a region. It is impossible, based on arbitrary game statistics, and subjective to your average nation.
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Technical impossibilities???

Postby Spode Humbled Minions » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:57 pm

What about the citizenship lists that are literally just dispatches, and the elections held through the polling system built into every region?

I remember the days before the standardization onto Discord... We had to have a dispatch to list citizenship, and there was even a google spreadsheet involved towards the end of that era (when I was in charge of those matters...).
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Also, is it really the case that CGRs would dominate the WAs and WAs endorsing the delegate fields? The way that’s phrased in the OP makes me think that those are percentages, in which case I would think the much smaller regions would be at a large advantage (i.e., a region of three people who are all WA, and with everyone there endorsing a WA delegate would have a combined score for those two categories of 200, blowing all GCRs out of the water).
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Postby Comfed » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:36 am

Why do you think NS democracy is better than NS dictatorship?


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